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Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement
By Kleinheider
Posted on February 7, 2010 at 7:33 am
The tea party movement is dead. The one I was familiar with anyway. Judson Phillips held it down and Sarah Palin drove a stake right through its heart live last night on C-Span in front of an unsuspecting audience.
Sarah Palin didn’t give a tea party speech last night. She gave a partisan Republican address. It was a purely political speech designed to position her for a presidential run in 2012 or 2016. Period. She wasn’t there to celebrate the organic nature of a movement she had nothing to do with creating. She was there to co-opt the name and claim the brand as hers. And she did.
The movement, that came to be officially recognized almost a year ago but whose roots go back further than that, has been snuffed out and replaced in the public mind. The movement that began as a people’s movement of angry independent, libertarians and conservatives will now be thought as the movement of people like Palin, Dick Armey, Judson Phillips, Mark Skoda, etc. Essentially, a wholly owned subsidiary of the “Official Conservative Movement” and the Republican Party.
This new tea party bears no resemblance to the one that began a year ago as a reaction to the collapse of our financial system and the subsequent bailout. That movement of ragtag and unorganized libertarians, independents and conservatives was something new and unique. An authentic protest movement angered not just by the new President, Barack Obama, who had presided over the bailouts but the president who started the ball rolling and whose incompetence had led to the crisis in the first place, George W. Bush.
The people we saw on the steps of Legislative Plaza and county courthouses across the state last year weren’t “movement conservatives.” Certainly the movement conservatives were there at those protests but the tea parties were much bigger in size, scope and concept than just traditional modern conservatism reheated. Last night, the professional conservatives fixed that for good.
For over a year the media has struggled to try and define just what exactly the movement was. Now they have a definition.
Sarah Palin.
Palin, while explicitly saying the movement had no leader, implicitly offered herself up as one. After this speech, which was widely covered on the internet and carried on television, the tea party movement and Sarah Palin will be inextricably intertwined.
So with the spotlight on her and the attention of the curious media surrounding her what did she present as a tea party agenda? What did she discuss?
Ronald Reagan, national defense and superficial deficiencies of the current democratic occupant of the White House. Wow. In all honesty, the speech could have just as easily been given in 1994 as in 2010 which, of course, was the last time Republican operatives and professional conservatives sought to exploit an authentic populist movement of the center-right.
Ronald Reagan? Are you serious? Three times the name was invoked during the speech. Sure, it was his birthday but it serves to remind us what kind of crowd this was in front of those C-Span cameras.
These weren’t the people who were out protesting. This weren’t regular folks. This was the same old network of conservative hacks, flacks, publicists and hangers-on. This was Conservative Inc.
Ronald Reagan has nothing to do with the tea party movement. Nothing. Ronald Reagan is the past. The GOP’s past, no less. The tea party movement was supposed to be the future.
The fact that Palin even has the temerity to position herself as a leader in the movement (and despite her protests that’s exactly what she was doing) is offensive to any student of very, very recent political history. Palin, as mavericky and rogue as she likes to paint herself, was the Vice-Presidential nominee of the Republican Party in 2008. She ran with John McCain and defended the Bush legacy. A project she continued last night in front of a faux-tea party audience.
In her remarks, Palin praised the Senator from Arizona and chastised the current President for blaming the past one for his problems. Now, I don’t know every tea partier out there but I do know a few and I don’t remember any of them having a whole lot of good to say about President Bush or John McCain. While they don’t have much positive to say about Barack Obama there no love for George Bush either.
And when did the tea party movement get a foreign policy? I didn’t put a clock on it but the first portion of Palin’s speech seemed very heavy on the neoconservatism.
Palin expressed dismay about the fact that President Obama spent only “9 percent” of the State of the Union on foreign policy and stated that Americans “deserve to know the truth about the threats we face and what the administration is or isn’t doing about them.”
She talked about “homicide” Bombers and the slammed the administration of its handling of the man who plotted to take down a Detroit airliner on Christmas Day.
“Treating this like a mere law enforcement matter places our country at grave risk because that’s not how radical Islamic extremists are looking at this,” she told the assembled at Opryland. “They know we’re at war. And to win that war, we need a commander in chief, not a professor of law standing at the lectern.”

Judson Phillips and Sarah Palin
Palin talked about standing up to Iran, defending Israel and making the world safe for Democracy. All noble goals, I suppose, but what was she doing justifying and perpetuating the foreign policy of George Bush at a tea party convention?
The tea party I’m familiar with was concerned more about the collusion of big business and big government than the War in Iraq. The tea party I’m familiar with was more concerned about rejecting the bailout of Wall Street while looking for ways reinvigorate the economy of Main Street than looking for Al-Qaeda. The tea party I’m familiar with seemed more concerned about restoring the Republic at home than Democracy abroad.
Almost from start finish, Sarah Palin outlined an agenda that either ignored or de-emphasized the issues and the spirit that the tea parties were founded on.
Sure, there was some of the old school tea party rhetoric in there for flavor but, for a keynote address to a movement that at its inception was very radical, there was nothing radical about Sarah Palin’s speech. It was derivative circa 2004 neoconservatism as far as I could tell.
But the media now have their definition of what it means to be Tea Party. This convention gave them simplistic nativism, birtherism, media bashing, homophobia, and a heavy does of neoconservative foreign policy.
That is the image of tea partydom that Judson Phillips poured out to the eager media this weekend and is now percolating through the many channels of mass and new media.
By Monday afternoon, it will begin to harden and the tea party movement will be Sarah Palin’s movement.
And that is no tea party at all.

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Re: Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement.
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2010, 09:59:37 AM »
Thanks for a very good article.  The neo-con artists would love to hijack the Tea Party 

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Re: Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement.
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2010, 10:02:08 AM »
The Tea Party movement was dead before it started.  If anything Sarah might make it into something living.
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Re: Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement.
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2010, 10:12:12 AM »
Palin seems to be in it for the $$$ - she got $100,000 for her 'speech'.
And now some are even trying to change the direction of the movement by fiddling with it's name...making it concerned with taxes alone...

"Although the organisation calls itself the Tea Party there is already some dispute over the name's origin.

Some insist it was drawn from the 1773 tax revolt known as the Boston Tea Party (pictured below), others say it's an acronym for 'taxed enough already'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1249002/Sarah-Palin-Tea-party-activists-gather-hail-champion-national-gathering.html#ixzz0et1Yykbr

If the Tea Party is dead, so be it.
We've always had a better, more principled, more experienced movement - Ron Paul and friends.


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Re: Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement.
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2010, 10:25:57 AM »
Actually it's always been known as the Republican Party.
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Re: Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement.
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2010, 12:50:17 PM »
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Re: Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement.
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2010, 01:08:48 PM »
Is there a down side?
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Re: Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement.
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2010, 01:35:23 PM »
I see Sarah as Irrelevant come 2012, or even worse a national distraction that will actually cost republicans votes. Nationally she is as polarizing as Hilary is. Unfortunately the longer she remains a talking point , Republican leaders who could possibly step forward and show true leadership to promote true change are having their message muffled.

I have never believed she has any republicans best interest at heart. (I know some do , and they are welcome to their own opinion) IMHO Sarah is cashing in making as many $$$ for her and her family as possible (not saying anything is wrong with that ), and after she is done working the circuit , will eventually slip into obscurity.

The republican party keeps shrinking and shrinking with no true leadership all the while continuing to alienate those within their own Party.... And would someone please tell Michael Steele to stop talking. He certainly isn't helping. More and more the Tea party movement has become a movement of fringe extremists that show the worst of what Republicans are suppose to represent,  which is unfortunate because it started off with a strong message born out of the want for change.  These are just my opinions , I'm sure others opinions differ and that's ok with me.    
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Re: Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement.
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2010, 01:59:17 PM »

 
Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement
By Kleinheider
Posted on February 7, 2010 at 7:33 am
The tea party movement is dead. The one I was familiar with anyway. Judson Phillips held it down and Sarah Palin drove a stake right through its heart live last night on C-Span in front of an unsuspecting audience.
Sarah Palin didn’t give a tea party speech last night. She gave a partisan Republican address. It was a purely political speech designed to position her for a presidential run in 2012 or 2016. Period. She wasn’t there to celebrate the organic nature of a movement she had nothing to do with creating. She was there to co-opt the name and claim the brand as hers. And she did.
The movement, that came to be officially recognized almost a year ago but whose roots go back further than that, has been snuffed out and replaced in the public mind. The movement that began as a people’s movement of angry independent, libertarians and conservatives will now be thought as the movement of people like Palin, Dick Armey, Judson Phillips, Mark Skoda, etc. Essentially, a wholly owned subsidiary of the “Official Conservative Movement” and the Republican Party.
This new tea party bears no resemblance to the one that began a year ago as a reaction to the collapse of our financial system and the subsequent bailout. That movement of ragtag and unorganized libertarians, independents and conservatives was something new and unique. An authentic protest movement angered not just by the new President, Barack Obama, who had presided over the bailouts but the president who started the ball rolling and whose incompetence had led to the crisis in the first place, George W. Bush.
The people we saw on the steps of Legislative Plaza and county courthouses across the state last year weren’t “movement conservatives.” Certainly the movement conservatives were there at those protests but the tea parties were much bigger in size, scope and concept than just traditional modern conservatism reheated. Last night, the professional conservatives fixed that for good.
For over a year the media has struggled to try and define just what exactly the movement was. Now they have a definition.
Sarah Palin.
Palin, while explicitly saying the movement had no leader, implicitly offered herself up as one. After this speech, which was widely covered on the internet and carried on television, the tea party movement and Sarah Palin will be inextricably intertwined.
So with the spotlight on her and the attention of the curious media surrounding her what did she present as a tea party agenda? What did she discuss?
Ronald Reagan, national defense and superficial deficiencies of the current democratic occupant of the White House. Wow. In all honesty, the speech could have just as easily been given in 1994 as in 2010 which, of course, was the last time Republican operatives and professional conservatives sought to exploit an authentic populist movement of the center-right.
Ronald Reagan? Are you serious? Three times the name was invoked during the speech. Sure, it was his birthday but it serves to remind us what kind of crowd this was in front of those C-Span cameras.
These weren’t the people who were out protesting. This weren’t regular folks. This was the same old network of conservative hacks, flacks, publicists and hangers-on. This was Conservative Inc.
Ronald Reagan has nothing to do with the tea party movement. Nothing. Ronald Reagan is the past. The GOP’s past, no less. The tea party movement was supposed to be the future.
The fact that Palin even has the temerity to position herself as a leader in the movement (and despite her protests that’s exactly what she was doing) is offensive to any student of very, very recent political history. Palin, as mavericky and rogue as she likes to paint herself, was the Vice-Presidential nominee of the Republican Party in 2008. She ran with John McCain and defended the Bush legacy. A project she continued last night in front of a faux-tea party audience.
In her remarks, Palin praised the Senator from Arizona and chastised the current President for blaming the past one for his problems. Now, I don’t know every tea partier out there but I do know a few and I don’t remember any of them having a whole lot of good to say about President Bush or John McCain. While they don’t have much positive to say about Barack Obama there no love for George Bush either.
And when did the tea party movement get a foreign policy? I didn’t put a clock on it but the first portion of Palin’s speech seemed very heavy on the neoconservatism.
Palin expressed dismay about the fact that President Obama spent only “9 percent” of the State of the Union on foreign policy and stated that Americans “deserve to know the truth about the threats we face and what the administration is or isn’t doing about them.”
She talked about “homicide” Bombers and the slammed the administration of its handling of the man who plotted to take down a Detroit airliner on Christmas Day.
“Treating this like a mere law enforcement matter places our country at grave risk because that’s not how radical Islamic extremists are looking at this,” she told the assembled at Opryland. “They know we’re at war. And to win that war, we need a commander in chief, not a professor of law standing at the lectern.”

Judson Phillips and Sarah Palin
Palin talked about standing up to Iran, defending Israel and making the world safe for Democracy. All noble goals, I suppose, but what was she doing justifying and perpetuating the foreign policy of George Bush at a tea party convention?
The tea party I’m familiar with was concerned more about the collusion of big business and big government than the War in Iraq. The tea party I’m familiar with was more concerned about rejecting the bailout of Wall Street while looking for ways reinvigorate the economy of Main Street than looking for Al-Qaeda. The tea party I’m familiar with seemed more concerned about restoring the Republic at home than Democracy abroad.
Almost from start finish, Sarah Palin outlined an agenda that either ignored or de-emphasized the issues and the spirit that the tea parties were founded on.
Sure, there was some of the old school tea party rhetoric in there for flavor but, for a keynote address to a movement that at its inception was very radical, there was nothing radical about Sarah Palin’s speech. It was derivative circa 2004 neoconservatism as far as I could tell.
But the media now have their definition of what it means to be Tea Party. This convention gave them simplistic nativism, birtherism, media bashing, homophobia, and a heavy does of neoconservative foreign policy.
That is the image of tea partydom that Judson Phillips poured out to the eager media this weekend and is now percolating through the many channels of mass and new media.
By Monday afternoon, it will begin to harden and the tea party movement will be Sarah Palin’s movement.
And that is no tea party at all.

Merely leftist porn, and I had heard Palin donated the money back to the Tea party movement!

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Re: Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement.
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2010, 07:07:35 PM »
Didn't see her speach. Don't think Sarah has the power to ''hijack'' the tea party movement. And, don't think the tea party movement really has much to do with either party. I believe it boils down to the fact that it's telling both party's that we're getting sick and tired of your b.s. And, if there was a none of the above line to put our vote, it would get more vote's than either side. gypsyman
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2010, 11:38:06 PM »
...........I believe it boils down to the fact that it's telling both party's that we're getting sick and tired of your b.s. And, if there was a none of the above line to put our vote, it would get more vote's than either side. gypsyman
I agree....I see in the Ukraine of all places they have a "none of the above" choice....we should too.

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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2010, 12:24:14 AM »
...........I believe it boils down to the fact that it's telling both party's that we're getting sick and tired of your b.s. And, if there was a none of the above line to put our vote, it would get more vote's than either side. gypsyman
I agree....I see in the Ukraine of all places they have a "none of the above" choice....we should too.

   


Yep, that would be a good choice most times!
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Re: Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement.
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2010, 12:25:20 AM »
No doubt that the Republican party would like to co-opt the "Tea Party Movement," but I don't think Palin has the gravitas to get this accomplished, no matter how hard she might try.

Why? Because as another poster pointed out, she's a polarizing figure on the national scene.  I hate to say that, because I think she's a pretty good gal who loves her country.  I'd like her to be our version of Ms. Thatcher, but as much as I might wish for this, it isn't going to happen.  "If wishes were Porsches, beggars would drive...."

I attended the "Tea Party" thing in Tulsa a while back.  The people that I mingled with were just as disgusted with the Republicans as the Democrats.  They struck me as being more libertarian in viewpoint, and certainly not towers of either the GOP or the Democratic party line.  They're a bit too free thinking to be duped by Palin, or anyone else.

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Re: Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement.
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2010, 12:57:36 AM »
  Well;
  First we hear from the Paulistas..there can be no good where Ron Paul does not have center stage. Now, Paul is a decent guy and a good candidate...but he's not the ONLY American out here !
  Did you ever think that Paul may have blown his chance ? The local Paulistas have been calling for a third party..and the Tea Party was his best chance. Where has he been for the last year or two ?  He could have taken the bull by the horns..in fact, I wish he had.

  Palin got $100k for her speech..I understand that was donated back. Do you know how much ex-presidents get for speeches..and don't give back in most cases ?

   Rio G says; " If the Tea Party is dead, so be it."  He may as well have said; "If Ron Paul is not front & center, we may as well pick up our ball & bat and go home."  Got news for you Rio..I'm sure Paul would be welcome to attend and lend his support, but surely some in the party may ask; "Where have you been for the last year or two?"
  BTW: Doesn't Ron Paul belong to one of the major parties, who are "not listening".

  Scootrd figures the Tea Party is dying..just wishful thinking on his part. The Tea Party is growing..it already commands the respect of 40% of those polled.. more than either the Republicans or the Democrats; in fact almost as much as both together..

  Just go over to youtube.com  don't bnother with sarah's speech and see the delegates who are interviewed. They tell us that the Tea Party is beholden to neither one.

   Here's a good description of the Tea Party by a reporter who took the time to investigate, ...if you have the guts to watrch;

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhW1XChxmI8&feature=related

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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2010, 01:31:26 AM »
i like sarah palin, and i agree with a lot of what paul says. but i believe that ron paul would be even more "polarizing" than palin. maybe i'm wrong, but from what i've seen and heard from other people, either they love him or they hate him.
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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2010, 01:36:10 AM »
Like her or not, Palin is serving an important function by doing the job of the now-dead republican party. Somebody has to be very publicly talking about conservative issues.
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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2010, 02:30:03 AM »
right .. slim

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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2010, 03:56:39 AM »
Right you are, Questor..
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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2010, 12:10:17 PM »
Sarah has been aware of and involved with the Tea Party movement since it started.  As Governor Sarah incouraged people to get out the tea bags and show up at the demonstrations through out Alaska.  Let people and Government know how you feel she said.  Shafer and Marti Cox are the leading force behind the Tea Party movement in Fairbanks, strict Constatutionalist them selves.  Schafer has talked with Sarah many times in the last year, wanting her support for the movement.
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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2010, 12:20:39 PM »
The Republican party is doing just fine.  I'm proud to be an active member.

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Re: Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement.
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2010, 12:22:16 PM »
Sourdough;
  The lead line for this thread demonstrates some of the convoluted thinking going on here !    

     Let's look at it:... "Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement"

   I may be mistaken, but didn't the delegates INVITE Sarah to be keynote speaker ?
   ...And didn't they collectively, pay her $100,000 to do so ?

           ...SO WHERE DOES THE "HIJACK" COME IN ?
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Re: Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement.
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2010, 03:32:58 PM »
Hello Everyone
    Personally I believe the Left is frightened to death of Sarah's core conservative principles. Worried that she is a neocon? Congress has to bring us into a war. If anyone worry about congress. Who puts congress in power? The people do. Then worry about the peoples choice for congress. The Lefty's propagandists will be working overtime to do whatever it takes to make Sarah look bad because of her core beliefs. Their job is to make the people think that she would would be bad for the country. What do you think America?

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Re: Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement.
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2010, 04:08:24 PM »
Yes , the left is craping their pants! ;D The tea party folks are getting stronger and they are watching Obama implode right in front of them! They are going off the deep end and I am loving it!!!
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Re: Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement.
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2010, 04:16:38 PM »
Didn't see her speach. Don't think Sarah has the power to ''hijack'' the tea party movement. And, don't think the tea party movement really has much to do with either party. I believe it boils down to the fact that it's telling both party's that we're getting sick and tired of your b.s. And, if there was a none of the above line to put our vote, it would get more vote's than either side. gypsyman

Couldn't agree more. Had a local republican http://www.jeffduncan.com/ for a meet and greet with about 100 Tea Party/ concerned republicans mix and he was surprised at how vocal we were about damn near everything. Decent guy and he knew leaving he had to prove himself if he wanted our votes.
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Re: Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement.
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2010, 04:22:22 PM »
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The lead line for this thread demonstrates some of the convoluted thinking going on here !   
 


IG I really believe it demonstrates some wishfull thinking by some on the left!   ::)
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Re: Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement.
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2010, 08:39:32 PM »
I see Sarah as Irrelevant come 2012, or even worse a national distraction that will actually cost republicans votes.

If I close my eyes and think about Sarah Palin, I see her in a Beaver skin sitting by a fire chewing hides to soften them........Git'er Done.

I hope she cost every republican and democrat vote possible. I have only met or seen one of the conservatives with a decent "Constitutional" voting record. If any one would like to read the voting record, (I am sure that they will see) outside of a few (good) special interest votes for their district that all of the politicians seem to arrive at the same place within a few months of entering Gomorrah. I can't think of one decision in recent History that was for the people, by the people. It is about time for every good man to come to the aid of their country, and get off the two party system. It will never seem cease to amaze me how many koolaid sippers we have in this country, show us a little wampum (read comfort) and we sell our souls.

I have an idea........let's vote them all out of office and start over with a fresh look at the constitution of this great nation. I believe that most people will agree that we don't need Sarah Palin in Washington (although I think it would be a hoot) we need her in a Beaver skin by a fire chewing hides, and we need men to stand for what's right and good and moral.

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Re: Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement.
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2010, 08:42:10 PM »
The Republican party is doing just fine.  I'm proud to be an active member.

Please don't waste your votes on a turd party.

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Re: Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement.
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2010, 11:22:10 PM »
A vote cast for someone who can't win is still a vote wasted and an election given to the Democrats.
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Re: Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement.
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2010, 01:29:01 AM »
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Re: Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement.
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2010, 03:13:19 AM »
I think it's clear by the comments on this forum that if we were to form our own party, we would be even more divided than any of the parties that presently exist.  There are those who seem to be against almost anything, but I think they might really be allegiant to the Dumbycrats.  There are those who think Ron Paul is the only answer.  Some of us believe that the Republicans aren't perfect, but are so much better than the communists (present day Dumbycrats) that we are able to overlook some of the compomises they might have made.

Hey, if the Tea Party really catches fire and becomes a great conservative and constitutional enterprise and if the Republicans fail to come up with a candidate that I believe can steer this country back onto the right side of the road--I'll drink the tea.  We've got a ways to go before anything decisive is going to happen and my biggest worry is that this idiot who is running the country will take us so far into the ditch...we may be there already.
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