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Offline EVOC ONE

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Need assistance with finishes
« on: February 07, 2010, 01:52:41 PM »
I'm working on a Rem 788 refurb project and have discovered a bad blemish under the old finish.  I've tried three different stains and nothing comes close to covering it.

Perhaps Remington used sometype of a paint that resembles a wood finish.

Can anyone offer a suggestion as to what type of finish may have been used?

Any suggestions as to what type of finish will cover the blemish?





Thanks in advance.
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Re: Need assistance with finishes
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2010, 02:41:17 PM »
I cut my 788 stock and put a recoil pad on it. I tried sanding and staining the scrap piece before I tried the whole stock but couldn't get it to take the stain. You may want to check with a woodworker shop and see what they say.
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Re: Need assistance with finishes
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2010, 10:43:12 PM »
Hmmm if I am honest I would say that you will be better getting a new stock and my thoughts on Remingtons quality just reached a new low :( how could a supposedly quality maker let that through? even on a budget rifle that's terrible. It looks like it's it's filler not a blemish.

The only thing I can think of is to carefully cut the surface down about 1/16" and build it up with sawdust loaded resin glue or clear wood glue. At least it would be wood, real wood mixed in and as such it should accept stain. Cabinet makers might have a better idea of course but I still feel a new stock is the best option.
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Re: Need assistance with finishes
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2010, 12:50:56 AM »
You are correct, Brithunter.  It is a filler.

I, too, am disapointed after seeing this.  Although, I would bet that Remington isn't the only firearms company that does this.

Thanks for the suggestions.
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Re: Need assistance with finishes
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2010, 05:13:11 AM »
Don't be too quick to blame Remington - just because the finish is old, doesn't necessarily mean it was the original finish.
I've refinished rifles, that (in fact) dealers & collectors couldn't tell from original - because they soon bought them from me.  ;)

It certainly looks like some damage on that 788 stock was repaired with plastic wood, for sure.

 Fi - fie, fo - fum, I smell "Bubba-Done '.   ;D

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Re: Need assistance with finishes
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2010, 05:15:49 AM »
Exactly!
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Re: Need assistance with finishes
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2010, 06:57:37 AM »
That's definitely not going to take stain and match the wood.  Have you considered painting it something like tan with a black spiderweb to resemble a custom composite stock?  Otherwise I'd say find a new stock.
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Re: Need assistance with finishes
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2010, 07:12:38 AM »
Don't get your gander up fellows.  This has nothing to do with bashing Remington.  So please do not interpret my remarks as such.  

I'm just trying to find out if anyone knows of a finish that will hide the blemish.

Any suggestions?

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Re: Need assistance with finishes
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2010, 07:13:42 AM »
  Heres an Idea I got while reading this post Like a Light Bulb LOL Maybe Old News maybe I'm the first in the New World ???
Put a Veneer Over it even If you only get it covered around every thing but the bottom line of the
Stock where you maybe can sand blend it then Stain or ? ?

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Re: Need assistance with finishes
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2010, 12:16:00 PM »
These were bargain basement rifles but that's not likely a Remington fix.. Bubba is probably the culprit. Still perhaps an oil based varnish type finish such as TruOil will cover if a spirit type stain is used. Many patches have been successfully hidden by staining the finish over the repaired area. Of course the best fix is to replace the stock. Another alternative is to cut away the patch and splice in a matching wood patch. Very hard on the sycamore or birch found in these rifles.. Pilkington stains will color a TruOil finish and being a little artistic can hide many sins...
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Re: Need assistance with finishes
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2010, 10:45:31 PM »
Hmmm I was thinking about this and wonder if this might help in this case  ;) perhaps a feature could be made of this by cutting it out and an insert of another wood put in it's place, or perhaps a plaque/plate like this:-



After all it was not uncommon for such things to be fitted  :)only your imagination limits you on this one.
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Re: Need assistance with finishes
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2010, 11:18:38 PM »
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Re: Need assistance with finishes
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2010, 01:03:42 AM »
Thanks for the suggestions, everyone.

The inletting and veneer suggestions are interesting.  At this point each suggestion is a viable option and worthy of further research.

Gunnut: I did a little fact finding about Pilkingtons.  It looks good.  Given that Brownells sells it, I'm going to make a call out there and speak with a tech for further info.

Thanks again, everyone.   ;)

 
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Re: Need assistance with finishes
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2010, 03:51:32 AM »
I like Britsidea of an inlay/overlay plaque.  Thanks Swampi for the site!
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Re: Need assistance with finishes
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2010, 03:41:01 AM »
Quote from: drdougrx on February 09, 2010, 03:51:32 AM
I like Britsidea of an inlay/overlay plaque.  Thanks Swampi for the site!

Thanks Doug  .................... but it's not a new idea. Presentation pieces often had it. The Governor of a District in India brought a Rigby .275 and had a silver oval engraved and inletting into the butt for Jim Corbet after he shot a man eating Leopard. The British Sporting Rifle Club at Bisley Camp had one inletted into a BSA .222 Rem chambered rifle after prince Charles shot that rifle belonging to a committee member when Charles opened the Running Deer range after years of neglect by the NRA and after the BSRC rebuilt it and got it all working again. When the owner of that rifle died it was offered for sale on the club house notice board and I was slow. I should have brought it but the club did a week or so later and it's now on loan to the Bisley Camp Museum  :-[.

The beauty of something like a silver oval is that it can be for any reason, a birthday, graduation gift. Remarkable hunt. The idea is only limited by your imagination. The Silver oval on that mauser just has some decoration around the original owners name and it was a standard offering on the "Plezier" model oh the period was about 1897  ;).
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Re: Need assistance with finishes
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2010, 04:03:18 AM »
might be interesting to know what happened to that old rifle. i'm always curious about the history of any used rifle i find and bring home. hope you find a good repair. an inlay sounds nice whether it's wood or resin/epoxy.
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Re: Need assistance with finishes
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2010, 04:23:54 AM »
Been watching this thread since it was first posted, curious what suggestions would be offered.  I've done wood working for a hobby for a long time now.  The veneer insert to cover the spot is a good idea, probably something I'd do.  While, I'm not enthusiatic about Minwax's Polyshades products but it may be a solution to covering the patch that will not take stain.  Polyshades is a polyurethane finish with stain in it.  The color is on top of wood, not in it.   Enough coats of the polyshade should cover the spot and blend in with rest of wood.  Of course, the polyshade would also cover any beautiful natural grain or color in the wood too.  Small cans of polyshades available at Walmart and home centers like Lowes and Home Depot.
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Re: Need assistance with finishes
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2010, 04:49:58 AM »
Quote from: Huffmanite on February 10, 2010, 04:23:54 AM
Been watching this thread since it was first posted, curious what suggestions would be offered.  I've done wood working for a hobby for a long time now.  The veneer insert to cover the spot is a good idea, probably something I'd do.  While, I'm not enthusiatic about Minwax's Polyshades products but it may be a solution to covering the patch that will not take stain.  Polyshades is a polyurethane finish with stain in it.  The color is on top of wood, not in it.   Enough coats of the polyshade should cover the spot and blend in with rest of wood.  Of course, the polyshade would also cover any beautiful natural grain or color in the wood too.  Small cans of polyshades available at Walmart and home centers like Lowes and Home Depot.

I find the veneer suggestion interesting and have not discounted it as an option. 

I have also been taking a long look at Cabots semi-solids finishes.  Yesterday I spoke to a young fellow at Lowes who seemed very knowledgeable about finishes.  He and I spend the best part of an hour discussing the project.  I had discovered Cabot while searching on-line.  Turns out Lowes carries a good bit of their products.  He offered some interesting suggestions and provided me with several chips and some literature.  Cabots can also be custom mixed.  I expressed my satisfaction with his service to the store manager.  The manager knew who I was talking about before I mentioned the fellows name.  Seems he brought some experiance with him to the company and was quickly promoted to manager of the paint department.  He has since been promoted to a managerial position above department manager.

I'll also give Polyshades a look. 

I have also discovered faux wood grain finishes using paint. Some examples I've seen look very impressive.

I know that a stock replacement would be the easiest.  I want to see what I can do with this one.  Besides, with over 48" on snow on the ground, what a great time for a project.   ;)

Thanks again to all that have made suggestions.
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Re: Need assistance with finishes
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2010, 02:14:10 PM »
Quote from: EVOC ONE on February 10, 2010, 04:49:58 AM
  Besides, with over 48" on snow on the ground, what a great time for a project.   ;)

Thanks again to all that have made suggestions.

Good Lord don't paint it white  :o you won't find it till spring if it don't flush away with the Thaw

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Re: Need assistance with finishes
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2010, 12:18:33 AM »
Quote from: Tommyt on February 12, 2010, 02:14:10 PM
Quote from: EVOC ONE on February 10, 2010, 04:49:58 AM
  Besides, with over 48" on snow on the ground, what a great time for a project.   ;)

Thanks again to all that have made suggestions.

Good Lord don't paint it white  :o you won't find it till spring if it don't flush away with the Thaw

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Isn't that's the truth!   :o
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