Just 2 days from now...

[ironglow]

  That's when Amadinijhad, killer in charge of Iran has said he will give us a "punch in the guts"..so to speak. Now, he could be bluffing...but we are dealing with a certified nut-case who now has ties to terrorists and nuclear access.
   So is our fearless commander in chief ginning up our military ..juist in case ? Has he mentioned heightened alert ?  ..Not obvious if he has.
   It appears the main thrust of his dealings with the military is pushing through the abolition of the "don't ask, don't tell" rule, which Barney Frank and many other democrats are "eaten up" about..

[ms]

I think it will be suit case nukes.

[powderman]

Whatever the Godless one is talking about is supposed to happen on the 12th. I don't think osama will do anything. Hard telling what the Godless one has planned, but he sure likes to brag and talk big. Maybe he's gonna recall of our cab drivers or motel mgrs. POWDERMAN. 

[myronman3]

i guess we will see. 

[teamnelson]

I think it will be suit case nukes.

Read a book once about how 48 of those went missing from Russia post-cold war. Then I worked a DHS contract along our northern border ... you know its bad when our CBP folks had a beaten trail off the parking lot that went across the line 100yds west of the check point, to a really amazing sandwhich shop. I asked them why it wasn't ADA standard, and they looked at me funny.

I doubt a direct attack; it'll most likely be symbolic, and that probably only in the minds of his audience, not ours. His successful rocket launches were all punches to the gut so to speak, demonstrating the rise of Iran as the US gives up space. We maybe didn't see it that way, but his people sure did.

[ironglow]

TN;
  Would he dare to try Israel yet ?  ..Course when we're dealing with insanity, I suppose it is difficult to guess..

[billy_56081]

Well if it has to happen, can I make a target request?

[mechanic]

They just put a satellite in orbit, so they have the delivery vehicle to launch anywhere they want....do they have the nukes?  Good possibility.  They could have gotten them from the Ruskies or China or even some from old Saddam that may have been floating around.....

[powderman]

I was mistaken. Surprise day is Thursday the 11th, not Fri the 12th. POWDERMAN. 

[Rustyinfla]

Could be an EMP from that new satellite.

[magooch]

No worries; the chosen one is in charge.  I'm sure he'll handle any eventuality the same way he has managed our economy.

[nomosendero]

No worries; the chosen one is in charge.  I'm sure he'll handle any eventuality the same way he has managed our economy.

Yes, very comforting thought! 

Yea, a cure for cancer would sure be a punch in the gut! 

We shall see.

[powderman]

The Godless ones will shock us all, OK. Whatever his surprise it will not be anything good for the world. Islam is the cancer that satan will use to destroy life on earth as we know it. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

  TM;
  "punch to the gut" was used by a reporter..but it closely parallels what the mad hatter himself said ..read on :

  http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/01/ahmadinejad-iran-will-deliver-telling-blow-to-global-powers-on-feb-11.html

   In fact, go ahead and read the article..interesting..
 
  Popwdereman..I guess nothing that gang may do would shock us..beheading reporters. executing women on the soccer field..blowing babies to bits..how much more can they shock civilized people ?
    But hurt us ? ..Yes, they can do that and do it fairly cheaply..Just 3 EMP bombs launched from a submarine or cargo ship..could put us virtually in the stone age in days.
   Read the book..  "One Second After" by William R. Forstchner..a novel that is chilling..but plausible..

[rex6666]

I think it will be suit case nukes.

Read a book once about how 48 of those went missing from Russia post-cold war. Then I worked a DHS contract along our northern border ... you know its bad when our CBP folks had a beaten trail off the parking lot that went across the line 100yds west of the check point, to a really amazing sandwhich shop. I asked them why it wasn't ADA standard, and they looked at me funny.

I doubt a direct attack; it'll most likely be symbolic, and that probably only in the minds of his audience, not ours. His successful rocket launches were all punches to the gut so to speak, demonstrating the rise of Iran as the US gives up space. We maybe didn't see it that way, but his people sure did.

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Didn't Iran buy 2 nuclear launch capable subs from the Soviets....and does navy intell know if they came loaded..? 4th order mini nukes still need maintenace to remain operative. Don't know about 5th order real minis. The USA-Israelis have been culturing the idea that Iran is building nukes in the future and to hand out to socalled 'terrorists'.  This could be a gap in logic on westerner's part but good copy and propaganda...I.E.why would they spend billions and billions of dollars at great risk to develop a nuke to hand off to terrorist AND then face total destruction...? Thus posing the question if a small nuke did go off in the USA, eg. in an expendable mid-west small city....who did it?? My guess is they have had a few nukes all along and are working on pulse, wave, or other highly secretive weapons systems. Really large nuclear weapons are old hat and crude by today's standards; and civilized people have likely devised new methods of destroying each other far cleaner and focused... Then again maybe from their uranium purification they came up with their own DU type projectiles, or a new super steroid Sunburn or Yahont missle,,which could possiblely be virtually unstopable. So we'll just have to see. Of course, most westerners are geared to think they are to announce some kind of weapon or what not.....who knows maybe they have a cure for cancer, or a new massive oil field discovery.


...TM7

An expendable mid west city, where would that be TM?
where do you live TM and is it expendable?

[nomosendero]

 

Just wait another day & see. 

[teamnelson]

Ahmenijad isn't stupid ... seriously, he's not. We would do well to never discredit those who threaten us. He knows his limitations, even in today's world, and he knows his decisions affect the future of the Islamic Republic at least in the short term. That's why he's not in a cave in the mountains, but the "president" of a sizeable country with military capacity. So that takes alot of the extreme worst case options off the table.

If I had to guess I'd say the report on a possible incursion into Galilee, or some other anti-zionist event, would be in keeping with the theme of Islamic Revolution; it would serve as a rallying event for muslims around the world, but not be large enough to provoke military retaliation against Iran directly. He doesn't care if a few thousand Hamas or Hezb'allah are martyr'd in the great struggle.

And the logic behind the "cure for cancer" idea is sound. Some tremendous technological breakthrough putting Islamic science in the forefront of the world would be a slap in the face. Of course they've been busy proving how women are a different species; they may not have had time.

[billy_56081]

And TM wonders why I refer to antisemitism with him over and over. Once again he sympthises with the muslims and trys to blame Israel.


So TM are you a muslim?

[teamnelson]

TM7 may actually be trying to separate extremists from the main line Muslims. Pres Bush did that, if we recall, and last I checked he was a Methodist. Do we have any Masons here? Are not all mono-theistic religions, the Christian, the Jew and the Mohammedan, brothers in the order? So evidently for some very conservative Americans it is possible to call some Muslims friend, and others enemy. I understand that it is also possible for many conservative Americans to distinguish zionists from Jews, as did Pres Bush and many other conservatives.

I use them as examples because many here seem to hold Pres Bush and conservative politicians in high regard, or at least higher regard than our current administration. And they verbally and politically befriended and defended some Muslims, declared war on others, while at the same time denouncing some of the actions of the zionists in Palestine, but still pro-Israel. Would you then ask if they are Muslims? Probably not.

As for me, I think we got bigger fish to fry than Islam.

[powderman]

TEAMNELSON. I personally believe that islam is THE biggest fish, and the biggest threat to the entire world. The sooner the world wakes up and sees islam for the violently fast growing cancer it is the better we'll all be. Time to lance that boil worldwide. Makes me sick to see England go down the drain to that cancer. The French are banning the burkhas and full face covering in public, good for them. As for tomorrow, nothing the Godless ones could do would surprise me. POWDERMAN. 

[scootrd]

I have always thought Iran should be taken seriously. However I would certainly not advocate going to war with 70 million and a pretty well equipped modernized Military such as Palin did in her recent interview.  .I gotta be honest she just scares the heck out of me . The woman has absolutely no clue what she talks about in regards to foreign affairs or anything else for that matter.  She reminds me of an Airhead girlfriend I dated in High school, nice to look at but not alot going on upstairs

TeamNelson I think your previous comments were one of the most concise accurate statements I have read regarding the situation in ME on these Threads. Thank you.

Powderman
I just think you like to sprinkle the phrase "Godless ones"  as much as possible throughout all these ME discussion threads.
remember the phrase keep your friend close ... and your enemies even closer.? if you truly believe they are your enemy (which I'm not here to change your mind) at least do some reading and get to know your enemy, so you can debate from a factual position.   This isn't a personal attack and you are more than entitled to your opinions and you don't even need me telling you that , and and no I'm not leftist wingnut Islamic sympathizer.. I just get tired of reading the same old regurgitated stuff.

To help you understand your enemy (unless you just like to lump them all together) I thought I would offer this:

Sunni": 800 million:
They are usually more liberal.
The "Shiite": 100 million:
They are the followers of Ali, more orthodox and militant, mainly in Iran, Iraq, and Palestine.
The "Wahhabi"numbers unknown
They are the Puritans of the Muslims, with the most strict, severely enforced moral standard of conduct, and their call for a pure Islam regulated by a literal interpretation of the Koran. they discourage such Western innovations as cinema and dancing.

__________________________________________________________
 Chicken Little likes to walk in the woods. She likes to look at the trees. She likes to smell the flowers. She likes to listen to the birds singing. One day while she is walking an acorn falls from a tree, and hits the top of her little head. My, oh, my, the sky is falling. I must run and tell the lion about it, says Chicken Little and begins to run. She runs and runs. By and by she meets the hen. Where are you going? asks the hen.  Oh, Henny Penny, the sky is falling and I am going to the lion to tell him about it. How do you know it? asks Henny Penny. It hit me on the head, so I know it must be so, says Chicken Little. Let me go with you! says Henny Penny. Run, run. So the two run and run until they meet Ducky Lucky. The sky is falling, says Henny Penny. We are going to the lion to tell him about it.  How do you know that? asks Ducky Lucky. It hit Chicken Little on the head, says Henny Penny. May I come with you? asks Ducky Lucky. Come, says Henny Penny. So all three of them run on and on until they meet Foxey Loxey. Where are you going? asks Foxey Loxey. The sky is falling and we are going to the lion to tell him about it, says Ducky Lucky.Do you know where he lives? asks the fox. I don't, says Chicken Little. I don't, says Henny Penny. I don't, says Ducky Lucky. I do, says Foxey Loxey. Come with me and I can show you the way. He walks on and on until he comes to his den. Come right in, says Foxey Loxey. They all go in, but they never, never come out again.

[teamnelson]

TM7, rise above!

PMan, Islam is the most immediately pressing threat I'd concur, but easily fixed in my opinion. We just lack the cultural acumen to pull the right triggers. But history has always had an actor in that role, so when they're quiet, they'll be replaced. I'd rather see humanity pulled out of the self-destructive cycle our fallen nature leads us to, but that ain't happening until Jesus comes. Meantime, wars and rumors of wars ...

It is a truth that very very few Muslims represent a real threat to the US. Conversion was attempted in the 70's - Muslims came to Europe and the US to begin making us more receptive to the religion. It made us more amenable, but not a very high conversion rate. Immigration is an acknowledgement that the Muslim faith does not jive with Western culture ... can't convert so out populate. I don't worry about my kids, or yours, becoming Muslims. But I do think that unless things change, our "democracy" will actually enable our own downfall. And that's because human selfishness will let it happen ... how many hunters could care less about my AR? Until we start thinking chess instead of checkers ... or tidliwinks ... history will move on without us. But Islam is only one of many tools.

Someone just sent me a collection of pictures of Muslim children dressed as suicide bombers and carrying toy guns, wiping their feet on the US flag. I do not think this is much different than how americans raise their children during the football season - children want approval, identity, and to fit in. If the popular culture is one of death as in Palestine, Syria, etc. then that's what they do. If the popular culture is sports heros, star trek, effeminite men, pimp-ho-thug then that's what they emulate. I find a palestinian boy wearing a toy suicide vest no more disturbing than an American boy wearing make-up. I used to carry a toy six-shooter and rifle so I could kill indians when I was 5 ... guess now I'm the indian.

[powderman]

SCOOTRD. What do you want me to call the Godless ones??? Thats what they are, I just call em as I see em. Muslims, islam, Godless ones, they all mean the same thing. POWDERMAN. 

[Squib]

it's the eleventh, and just about 2am here... nothing yet that I've seen online (I'll check again before going to bed though)

I agree with teamnelson, islam is a faith in the one creator and a rival to christianity- but that is just a faction vs. faction detail.  The ISSUE is people vs. people and while islam is the MILITANT threat, homegrown apathy is the CIVIL threat and civil/passive means is how communism wins.  Decent people and even decency itself is being undermined rapidly in this nation.  WE fear socialism in all forms, but will the next generation or two?  Sure, but not enough to fight it, not after being raised in it and feeling it everyday as a familiar factor in daily life.  The Muslims can kill us but the progressives can enslave us.  I fear slavery more than death. 

Powderman, the muslims are not "godless"- progressives are though.  they want us non-elites to worship the godstate and not the godbeing.  think about it.  while their civilization is chaotic and savage, look how corrupted our own people are- they're like our mirror opposite.  the ones pulling our strings domestically are the ones fanning the flames over there too, and they are using the christians and muslims alike to kill their opposition.... scary considering they are consolidating their wealth and influence during this global recession.  the nwo doesn't care about islam or christianisty, it cares about money and authority, and it has both.  that is the enemy.  the muslims aren't killing americans because of a hatred for jesus or white people, it's about the american elite pushing them into a corner (and using our patriotism to motivate us into war for profit for those elite)

I'll stop ranting now... hopefully that all made sense.  point is behind the details, the arab/muslim/foreign are not that different than us.  they're fighting the same fight conservative americans are right now, fighting the same system.  they're fighting the physical fight, we're fighting the political one- and both christians and muslims are losing.

[powderman]

Squib. Well, nothing yet. As long as they worship a God of hatred and death to all not bowing down to their sick mohamed they will be Godless to me. Thats how they perceive God, through the eyes of that madman mohamed. The God mohamed told of doesn't exist. Give me any similarities between Jesus Christ and mohamed. Total opposites. The goal of islam is to destroy everything Jesus Christ ever taught or built. Til they accept Jesus Christ they will remain Godless. POWDERMAN. 

[beerbelly]

There are NO moderate Muslims!! They all studied the same book that teaches them to kill all us infidels!! They pretend to be moderate until they get the upper hand.
     Just remember all of your moderate muslims dancing in the street in the cities here in this country at 911.
                                   Beerbelly

[Dances with Geoducks]

There are NO moderate Muslims!!

That is not true, most of the Asian Muslims & American are moderates.

Just like a lot of westerners don't take all the bible literally, so it is in the east.

Dont let a few bad apples spoil the entire basket

[bearmgc]

You would think that if there are moderate Muslims in America, they would speak out against the radicals.
Did you read or hear or see any sizable number of Muslim Americans voice outrage after 911? Their silence was deafening...What can we conclude? That if moderate, they had no spine, or they were not moderate, and were in complete agreement with what happened. That event was very telling. Even today, the day that Iran's president said he would deliver a blow to the Christian nation. Do we have any Muslim moderates speaking out against him? If they are present, why don't they speak out?

[TribReady]

You would think that if there are moderate Muslims in America, they would speak out against the radicals.
Did you read or hear or see any sizable number of Muslim Americans voice outrage after 911? Their silence was deafening...What can we conclude? That if moderate, they had no spine, or they were not moderate, and were in complete agreement with what happened. That event was very telling. Even today, the day that Iran's president said he would deliver a blow to the Christian nation. Do we have any Muslim moderates speaking out against him? If they are present, why don't they speak out?

This has been the case for some time now. They may be "moderate" in their actions, but they are just as "radical" in their beliefs and in their inactions.  Any serious look into the teachings of the Koran show the religion for what it is.

I can't believe we even have this argument...of course, I still can't believe we have one elected to the WH 

[scootrd]

You would think that if there are moderate Muslims in America, they would speak out against the radicals.
Did you read or hear or see any sizable number of Muslim Americans voice outrage after 911? Their silence was deafening...What can we conclude? That if moderate, they had no spine, or they were not moderate, and were in complete agreement with what happened. That event was very telling. Even today, the day that Iran's president said he would deliver a blow to the Christian nation. Do we have any Muslim moderates speaking out against him? If they are present, why don't they speak out?

Moderate Muslims in America still needs to be concerned with reprisals from Islamic extremist against family members back home. I am sure a multitude of Moderate Muslims here and abroad cwould like to be more vocal , but they also must weigh the cost and considerations of their personal actions may impact other family members.