Handi 30-06?

[coop2564]

Anyone tried the new 110gr barnes from fed in the handi? Sounds like a great bullet for deer size animals and down, would sure flatten the old rounds trajectory at 3400 if it will shoot accurate. Whats your thoughts?

[Couger]

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What exactly is your goal and purpose?  Why such a light bullet out of a huge case?

I can understand a 125 or 130grn semi spitzer or .30-30 slug out of a .30/06.  Although I also understand a 170grn .30-30 bullet launched from a .30/06 at moderate velocity.  Lot less meat damage than from an ultra-fast bullet!

However, if you're trying to develope a REALLY light load, or a "quiet" load - the 110grain .30Carb bullets (and similar) have their uses!

I used to have some .30Carb adapters to shoot in the .308W.  Gonna replace them with adapters to shoot the .327Mag in the .308W and .30/06!  I expect to use lots of 100 and 110 grain plinkers and .30C bullets when I do.   

BTW, at Rocky's Reloading Room, Mr Rabb lists a couple "universal" squib loads that use those 110 grain .30C bullets .....  I believe Rabb is using 10grains of Unique in ANY .30 cal cartridge (besides large volume "magnum cases" which might work with 12grain of Unique), under a 110grn bullet.  Great for small kids to shoot, or at dirt clods or varmints in camp, according to Mr Rabb.

[Couger]

Re-read your post and your specific referal to Barnes bullets.

Never used them myself.

But again, why not use a 125grn "spitzer" bullet?  Would give better and longer bearing surface on the bullet to "act" with the bore and rifling of the barrel.  Doubt you'd sacrifice much velocity.

[coop2564]

Its a new factory load from Federal using the tipped Barnes triple shock. It has a muzzle velocity of 3400 the Barnes bullet would not blowup on close shots like a 125 spitzer might on deer. The higher velocity of the round would give much better trajectory than a 150 or 165 out to reasonably yardage anyway. I have never shot anything under a 150gr in 06 don't know how well a 110 gr bullet will stabilize? They have a hole new series of ammo out using these lighter bullets for most popular calibers ramping up the speed its not touted as a varmint bullet but a med game bullet.

http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/rifle.aspx?id=875

[miyata]

I use Barnes T-TSX .257 weighing a tiny 80gn on deer sized animals.  Very effective, both close in and waaaay out in the distance.  Barnes have developed a very interesting projectile that seems to be far more effective than the light weight would suggest.  They claim nearly 100% weight retention.  I'm handloading them with AR2209 powder at about 3800fps.

The trajectory is amazingly flat.  Just amazing.

I'm not using these in a Handi though.

[coop2564]

I've handloaded the 130gr trippleshock for my .308 and get great accuracy but I have to use a factory crimp not much shank in case. I cant find a OAL for this new round on any sites might be to far off lands for great accuracy. Barnes bullets are a little longer than most lead ones and using one size down is common but this is quite a jump. Guess I will buy a box and just see.  110gr at 3400 should be a perfect deer round and puts the old 30-06 in the same trajectory as the younger brother 25-06.

[Sourdough]

Personally, I think with that high velocity, the hydrostatic shock would be emmense. 

[quickdtoo]

I've handloaded the 130gr trippleshock for my .308 and get great accuracy but I have to use a factory crimp not much shank in case. I cant find a OAL for this new round on any sites might be to far off lands for great accuracy.

Barnes has COLs listed for all of their data, TSX data is used for the TTSX also in case anyone is wondering.

Tim

http://www.barnesbullets.com/images/30-06SpringfieldWeb.pdf

http://www.barnesbullets.com/images/308WinWeb.pdf

[SM Bob]

In my expierences with handloading light weight bullets for the 30'06 I have found them to not be
very accurate at all. They sound good on paper. The usual, "Oh, these are good for varmints"
nonsense. If I want to shoot varmints I'll use a different caliber that I know is accurate and I
sure won't waste my time or money anymore trying to turn a 30'06 into a varmint rifle. Been there
tried that.

                                              Robert

[retrosub]

Barnes has COLs listed for all of their data, TSX data is used for the TTSX also in case anyone is wondering.

Tim

http://www.barnesbullets.com/images/30-06SpringfieldWeb.pdf

I don't see data for Barnes 110gr 30-06 on that PDF. I tried various loadings of IMR4895 with a factory crimp on the Barnes 110gr in my 30-06 last night, my results weren't very encouraging. I'm just getting into reloading so I'm probably making all sorts of mistakes, but these shot lousy groups no matter what charge I used. I would like to know the COL of the Federal cartridge, perhaps mine were too short? I crimped them at the first groove.

My limited experience is inline with SM Bob.

[quickdtoo]

Email Ty Herring at Barnes, he'll provide data if they have it, the 110gr XFB is listed in their #3 manual with 15 powders, their old loading guideline for the TSX was working up to 1½-2grs over the #3 data before the #4 book was printed.

Tim

http://www.barnesbullets.com/information/load-data/

[Big Blue]

I found this in Barnes #3 manual, however no suggested COL.

.30-06 Springfield (Barnes Reloading Manual #3)
110     Barnes XFB or Solid
Remarks: recommended powder IMR-4064
minimum load; 53.0gr.  3,227fps
maximum load; 57.0gr. 3,471fps

Lyman's 49th manual agrees on this being the best powder choice.

Don                               

[gstewart44]

I have mostly been a fan of heavy-for caliber bullets and slow to moderate velocities with my handloads for deer and hog.    I will say however I was pleasantly surprised with the load one of our oldest huntclub members was using.    Jim was almost 80, had a bad back and arthritis in one hip and both shoulders.    He owned one hunting rifle, a Remington 700 in 30-06.    When his arthur-itis would no longer tolerate factory 150-180 gr loads he started brewing up his own light bullet/hyper velocity rounds.  

Jim used the Hornady 110 gr SP over a near max load of 4895 and got about 3400 fps.    and it didn't hurt Jims shoulders with the recoil.    I have helped Jim clean deer and hog shot with this round and under 100 yds the performance is explosive.   the hydrostatic shock is devastating, turning to jelly about an 8" radius from the entrance.     Everything Jim shot with this load was DRT.  

I might try this load for my son next season.    

[coop2564]

I've got some ordered from midsouth, I'll give em a try and see how they shoot out or my No.1.

[Dinny]

I say try them. I plan to develop loads for my new '06 with bullets weights from 110gr to 200gr. Most 30-06 barrels are 1-10" twist, some of them like some 110gr bullets. The 110gr Barnes Bullets should be nearly as long as most conventional 125gr lead-core bullets. When the time comes that my rifle needs a new barrel, I'm gonna go with a 1-11" twist. Someone mentioned eariler that one should just use a different caliber rifle, but I have found "the man that has but one rifle, generally knows how to use it." Not only that but load development and even boxes of factory ammo are cheaper than a new rifle, scope, and etc.

That's just my 2 cents....

Thanks, Dinny

[gcrank1]

Way back, I believe it was at Springfield Armory, they determined the 1:12 twist was optimum for the 30-06, but the military insisted on being able to stabilize the 220gr. Krag type bullet (which, of course, they later dropped) so they used the 1:10 twist. The 30-30, with a 1:12, can be a tack driver in the proper platform, with cast or jacketed bullets.

[gomerdog]

I have mostly been a fan of heavy-for caliber bullets and slow to moderate velocities with my handloads for deer and hog.    I will say however I was pleasantly surprised with the load one of our oldest huntclub members was using.    Jim was almost 80, had a bad back and arthritis in one hip and both shoulders.    He owned one hunting rifle, a Remington 700 in 30-06.    When his arthur-itis would no longer tolerate factory 150-180 gr loads he started brewing up his own light bullet/hyper velocity rounds.  

Jim used the Hornady 110 gr SP over a near max load of 4895 and got about 3400 fps.    and it didn't hurt Jims shoulders with the recoil.    I have helped Jim clean deer and hog shot with this round and under 100 yds the performance is explosive.   the hydrostatic shock is devastating, turning to jelly about an 8" radius from the entrance.     Everything Jim shot with this load was DRT.  

I might try this load for my son next season.    

If you want a light-recoiling load that will penetrate well, try Barnes' 150 gr. TXS FP, meant for the 30/30. Load it up to about 2400-2500 fps using a reduced load of H4895 in about any case using about any standard primer, seated out about 0.050 from the lands. Deadly.

[coop2564]

Got the ammo today from midsouth federal prem 110gr TTSX they measure 3.218 COAL they have a rather large plastic tip it measures .195 to where it goes into the bullet. I ordered a box of the new super performance hornady ammo in 150gr SST also and it also measures 3.219 so they were able to get standard lenth from the bullet. Hopefully I'll get to shoot it later this week to see how it does.