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Rifle Hunting In Indiana
« on: February 11, 2010, 08:38:42 AM »
I saw a thread on another site where the writer said he heard IN might be adding more cartridges to the rifle list.  Anyone else hear this?
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Re: Rifle Hunting InIndiana
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2010, 09:30:16 AM »
Is this what you are referring to?



HOUSE BILL No. 1343


A BILL FOR AN ACT to amend the Indiana Code concerning natural and cultural resources.

Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Indiana:

SOURCE: IC 14-22-2-6; (10)IN1343.1.1. --> SECTION 1. IC 14-22-2-6 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2010]: Sec. 6. <snip>

(e) A rule adopted by the director concerning a rifle used during deer hunting season must allow for a rifle that fires a cartridge that meets the following specifications:
(1) Fires a bullet of three hundred fifty-seven thousandths (.357) of an inch diameter or larger.
(2) Has a minimum case length of one and sixteen-hundredths (1.16) inches.
(3) Has a maximum case length of one and eight-tenths (1.8 inches.
 
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Re: Rifle Hunting In Indiana
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2010, 10:35:10 AM »
The only mention I have heard was of the possibility of using a 30-30.  It was mentioned here. ;)
http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,183567.0.html

Please keep us posted if you know anything different.

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Re: Rifle Hunting In Indiana
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2010, 10:51:15 AM »
The increase in max case length from 1.625 to 1.8 specified in HB 1343 does allow for a handful of different calibers.  The 30-30 deal I believe was shot down but I can't find the record at the present time to show if this is right or wrong.  Don't know if the bill was killed or sidelined to come back later.
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Re: Rifle Hunting In Indiana
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2010, 10:57:00 AM »
Quote from: Old Syko on February 11, 2010, 10:51:15 AM
The increase in max case length from 1.625 to 1.8 specified in HB 1343 does allow for a handful of different calibers.  The 30-30 deal I believe was shot down but I can't find the record at the present time to show if this is right or wrong.  Don't know if the bill was killed or sidelined to come back later.

I know it would include the 460 S&W. What other calibers would be included in the 1.8" rule? Was HOUSE BILL No. 1343 defintely passed?


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Re: Rifle Hunting In Indiana
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2010, 01:57:09 PM »
Sorry, didn't mean to give false info but apparently both the aforementioned bills died on the floor.  This is what I get for not keeping track as I should.  So to the OP, there are evidently no changes in allowed calibers as yet for the next season.  Unless I've missed something else. ::)
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Re: Rifle Hunting In Indiana
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2010, 02:00:50 PM »
Quote from: Old Syko on February 11, 2010, 01:57:09 PM
Sorry, didn't mean to give false info but apparently both the aforementioned bills died on the floor.  This is what I get for not keeping track as I should.  So to the OP, there are evidently no changes in allowed calibers as yet for the next season.  Unless I've missed something else. ::)

That's too bad. I did a  bit of research after my last post and found that 1.8" OAL would include the .450 Bushmaster, .50 Beowulf, .357 Herrett, and maybe a few more of the bottleneck wildcats.

There's always hope for next year.

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Re: Rifle Hunting In Indiana
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2010, 07:23:29 AM »
Dinny

Hi new guy from N-E Indiana. Did you noticealong with several cal. you can shoot .458 socon made by rock river. the upper will fit a standard AR lower. This infor is from the State of Indiana.

Check it out.

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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2010, 12:06:40 PM »
Quote from: TomRob on February 25, 2010, 07:23:29 AM
Dinny

Hi new guy from N-E Indiana. Did you notice along with several cal. you can shoot .458 socon made by rock river. the upper will fit a standard AR lower. This infor is from the State of Indiana.

Check it out.

Tom (be safe)
Tom,
   First of all, let me welcome you to GBO! Come often and stay for a while, you're among family here. ;) I definitely noticed, first thing, that the Big Socom was a legal caliber. Now to afford one......

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Re: Rifle Hunting In Indiana
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2010, 02:42:18 PM »
  Can someone tell me the reasoning behind the shotgun only (in the beginning) is it because of the mostly flat terrain????
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Re: Rifle Hunting In Indiana
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2010, 02:46:38 PM »
Quote from: olydraft on February 25, 2010, 02:42:18 PM
  Can someone tell me the reasoning behind the shotgun only (in the beginning) is it because of the mostly flat terrain????

I believe it was mainly due to the short range of the older shotgun slugs of yesteryear. The newer slugs may have actually helped us get the pistol caliber rifle law passed; pistol calibers and shotgun sabot slugs have similar ranges and capabilities.

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Re: Rifle Hunting In Indiana
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2010, 03:02:35 AM »
Quote from: olydraft on February 25, 2010, 02:42:18 PM
  Can someone tell me the reasoning behind the shotgun only (in the beginning) is it because of the mostly flat terrain????

You've never been to the southern part of the state have you?  ???   I have to drive quite a ways to come to a place where i can shoot 700 to 1000 yards and then it is all down hill and only available when crops aren't up. ::)

Yes, lack of effective range was the original reason for shotgun only and to this day even though handguns and rifles are allowed the vast majority of statewide successful kills are made at less than 50 yards.
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Re: Rifle Hunting In Indiana
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2010, 02:38:15 PM »
Dinny how about the rifle cal in a handgun law? Any thoughts on the rational on that one? ;D ::)
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Re: Rifle Hunting In Indiana
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2010, 04:15:49 PM »
Quote from: squirrellluck on February 26, 2010, 02:38:15 PM
Dinny how about the rifle cal in a handgun law? Any thoughts on the rational on that one? ;D ::)

I'm not gonna comment on that one. ::) Not much rational from a hunter's standpoint....... ;)


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Re: Rifle Hunting In Indiana
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2010, 05:03:14 PM »
I went to a public hearing when the "short rifle" law was being argued. The official position was that only metallic silhouette shooters would take advantage of the new rules and they were experienced shooters and more careful in the field so the risk would be greatly diminished. They felt that very few hunters would go out and buy a handgun just to hunt deer with. In the beginning the 35 remington was the hot cartridge because of the minimum caliber restriction, Later they quietly changed the minimum to 243 and the rest is history.
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Re: Rifle Hunting In Indiana
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2010, 09:37:06 PM »
Quote from: olydraft on February 25, 2010, 02:42:18 PM
  Can someone tell me the reasoning behind the shotgun only (in the beginning) is it because of the mostly flat terrain????

Olydraft
 You should come checkout the rest of the state :D. Down here we are lucky to have 150 yard visual on a deer. Heck our fields even have little hills and valleys ;)
 As far as pistol calibers. I think it was a case of someone new someone. Aslo as Schoolmaster said The silhouette shooters were probably the reason they let the big rounds stand.

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Re: Rifle Hunting In Indiana
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2010, 03:04:26 AM »
Yep just get south of Indy and its a whole nother ball game.
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Re: Rifle Hunting In Indiana
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2010, 03:35:24 AM »
Like schoolmaster, I attended one of the hearings.  I don't remember silhouette shooters in particular being mentioned at the one I attended, but handgun hunters in general were professing to be the safer and more conscientious  hunters and shooters.  At the time I had no argument with that statement as I too believed it to be true, at least to a certain degree, as handgun shooters seem to realize their limitations and know it takes a lot of practice to achieve their goals.  I feel the same way about the guys that choose to shoot single shot rifles.
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Re: Rifle Hunting In Indiana
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2010, 11:41:55 PM »
I am from N-E Indiana. Here, most shots are under 50 yards. There are lots of small wood lots, small swampy areas and over grown fence rows. It is rare that deer are caught out in the open, during deer season. If they are, they are generally on the run, being spooked out of a low spot or a wood lot. The only time I see them out in the open fields walking around at a leisurely pace is during warm weather, feeding. Most are ambushed from tree stands at ranges under 50 yards. So even shot guns of old with their limited range work fine. A 357 or a 44 mag work just fine too. I work with a guy that used a 20 gauge Ithaca Deer slayer smooth bore for years, he now has taken his last two deer with a 44 Marlin lever action. They both dropped right where they were shot. I really do not see a need for more gun and range than that, at least around here, Dekalb, Noble, LaGrange, and Steuben counties.
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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2010, 07:37:07 AM »
   That was the point I was going to get to , the southern part of the state is far from bieng flat, not like the northern half. I just figured the northern half of the state has more government representation than the sothern half. An example is tthe state of Washington, 3 western counties between Seattle and Olympia run that state because of the population, and those 3 counties have totally screwed up the rest of the state. Talk to the people from Eastern Wash., and they would like nothing more than divide the state into 2 states. Anyway I digress, back to Indiana . I was talking to another hunter last fall and he was talking about dividing the state in half and using rifles in the sothern half in the hilly southern part and leaving the shotgun for the flater northern part ( kinda unfair for the northern hunters) but it kinda made a little sense. I don`t know what the answer is but I sure would like to see rifles made legal. Just my poinion...  Gary
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« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2010, 07:58:00 AM »
 I think there are states where they use different guns in different parts of the state. Don't remember where I read it though.

I would not mind using a rifle, one more excuse to purchase a new toy ;)

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Re: Rifle Hunting In Indiana
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2010, 11:57:27 PM »
Michigan is one state, where the Southern 5 tiers of counties (the most populous) must use shotguns and above that you can use any rifle you desire as long as it is .243 or bigger.
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Re: Rifle Hunting In Indiana
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2010, 03:28:32 PM »
Well the pistol cal rifle thing is not due to the new shot gun anything, it has to do with the new inline muzzle loaders they are most similar to pistol cals with muzzle vel's being almost the same (from DNR officer I know). I do not understand the no rifle thing, if you get the deer depradation tags (summer deer crop damage tags) you are allowed to use high power centerfire rifles and there you are shooting in open feilds cause thats where the deer are... Now I don't know if this is the same for the whole state but all the paper work I have seen does not state county limits
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« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2010, 03:40:00 PM »
Quote from: dieselman on March 02, 2010, 03:28:32 PM
Well the pistol cal rifle thing is not due to the new shot gun anything, it has to do with the new inline muzzle loaders they are most similar to pistol cals with muzzle vel's being almost the same (from DNR officer I know). I do not understand the no rifle thing, if you get the deer depradation tags (summer deer crop damage tags) you are allowed to use high power centerfire rifles and there you are shooting in open feilds cause thats where the deer are... Now I don't know if this is the same for the whole state but all the paper work I have seen does not state county limits

Dieselman,
  Welcome to our forum and welcome to GBO. Come often and stay as long as you like, you're among friends here.  :)

Where you from in IN?

  I think the CF rifle debate is very political and that may have a big influence on their use in our State.  I, for one, am not disappointed that we can't use them for deer hunting. I personally feel there would be some very silly people out there poking shots at deer from alot farther than they should.  ;)

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Re: Rifle Hunting In Indiana
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2010, 03:57:21 PM »
Thanks for the welcome, was on here 6-7 years ago got away and now I'm back.

 I'm from the Nashville area, I grew up deer hunting in this state and have always used muzzle loaders (never a shot gun) and bows, was taught one shot is all you need (or should need). I was in the Corps as well and what do ya know that what they teach as well. Good luck and happy shooting.
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« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2010, 03:59:37 PM »
Quote from: dieselman on March 02, 2010, 03:57:21 PM
Thanks for the welcome, was on here 6-7 years ago got away and now I'm back.

 I'm from the Nashville area, I grew up deer hunting in this state and have always used muzzle loaders (never a shot gun) and bows, was taught one shot is all you need (or should need). I was in the Corps as well and what do ya know that what they teach as well. Good luck and happy shooting.

Well, I liked you till I read that part about the Corps.  :D ;D

Just kidding!

We look forward to your input here in the forum.

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Re: Rifle Hunting In Indiana
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2010, 04:01:24 PM »
Dinny I heard this and similiar arguments when I lived and hunted in Indiana. What is the difference between using a rifle in 30-06 or a handgun in the same caliber?
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« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2010, 04:04:21 PM »
Quote from: squirrellluck on March 02, 2010, 04:01:24 PM
Dinny I heard this and similiar arguments when I lived and hunted in Indiana. What is the difference between using a rifle in 30-06 or a handgun in the same caliber?

I have no idea.  I gave up on searching for that logic a long time ago...... ;)

Your guess is as good as mine.

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« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2010, 04:11:36 PM »
As far as people shooting further than they should I'm with you. But I never hunted opening day of gun season after that first year. I swear there must have been a big sale on semi shotguns and slugs the night before cause I bet I heard 3000.00 worth of ammo burned up in under an hour. Well after I recovered from the duck and cover position ???
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« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2010, 04:13:28 PM »
Quote from: squirrellluck on March 02, 2010, 04:11:36 PM
As far as people shooting further than they should I'm with you. But I never hunted opening day of gun season after that first year. I swear there must have been a big sale on semi shotguns and slugs the night before cause I bet I heard 3000.00 worth of ammo burned up in under an hour. Well after I recovered from the duck and cover position ???

I hear ya, sounds like you were in Perry County. LoL  ;)

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