327 fed. Mag.

[SHOOTALL]

Ok its out now in SP-101 , Blackhawk and GP-100 along with several other brands . So would it make a good gun to depend on ? Looked at the Ruger site and the GP-100 is a 7 shot . No one can say the GP-100 is not a surviver . The 327 FM is better than a 38SPL. +P ( rated ) . The ammo is light and takes up less room than 357 mag or 38 SPL. .The gun will fire 32 long , 32HR Mag. And others along with 327FM. It would seem a good choice for a survival revolver . No mag to lose , Tuff as nails , SS construction . Seems it would work better than a 22 and almost as well as a 357 mag.
 

[Blackhawker]

Already discussion on this round and some people that have one too.

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,194732.0.html

[SHOOTALL]

But is it about a EOTW survival gun ?

Thanks , I'll check it out .

[SHOOTALL]

Checked , its about the Blackhawk . I like them but would rather have the newer ( only a bit over 100 year old ) DA gun .

[Blackhawker]

I'd like BOTH!   

[SHOOTALL]

I like both but if the chips were down a DA would suit me better .

[Almtnman]

Might want to check the ammo availability and see where it stands and if you can buy it most anywhere. 

[SHOOTALL]

I have some and its in the stores here . I do think it would be a round you need to stock up on . I had the SP101 for some time before ammo was aval. . I used 32 HRM alot .

[Couger]

Was interested to see if a .30 Carbine could work well in a SHTF Encore or Handi-Rifle, and chamber adapters for .30 caliber rounds slike the .308, 30-06 and .30-30.

The .30Carb is 1.290 inches in length, and in 308 cal of course.  

I shelved that .30 Carbine idea when the .327 Federal Magnum came along ......



The .327 Mag is 1.200 inches in length besides being "rimmed."    (great for singleshots)    

The .327 Mag can also be shot (and sized) using .308 cal boolits!

Thompson/Center offers Contender and Encore barrels in .30Carb, .32H&R, and .32-20.

The interesting and funny thing about  ALL of those T/C - cartridge combos is that EACH ONE is in .308 caliber with a 1-10 twist!

I explained all this to say I think a .32H&R Mag T/C barrel (cartridge length 1.075 inches)
rechambered to the 1.200 inch-long .327 Magnum would make a great survival barrel!  

And even a decent poor man's alternative to a .300 Whisper!  (was I as clear as mud?    )

ADDED:  Both the .327 Magnum and .30 Carbine operate at 44K SAAMI units of pressure!

[Blackhawker]

The 327 and the 30 carbine appear to be about the same "power-wise".  I've been thinking my next pistol will be a Blackhawk in the 327 but I already have a 30 carbine Blackhawk.  So I weighed some pros and cons and really can't see myself buying another Blackhawk that's nearly the same thing as what I already have.  Here are some pros and cons that I thought of fore each:  
30 carbine ammo is available almost anywhere and is relatively cheap. - PRO.  
30 carbine has no rim and needs to be trimmed properly every firing if loaded in a revolver and possibly other chambers - CON
30 carbine has a tapered wall, not straight walled which makes resizing a little more strenuous. - CON

327 mag is not very available (at this time anyway) and is more than likely going to be sold at a premium price.  -  CON
327 mag has a straight wall and a rim for ease when reloading.  -  PRO
327 mag bullets are generally higher priced than stadard 308 110 gr FMJ or soft points.  CON

Both are LOUD sonovaguns (well, I know the 30 carbine is) and don't really lend themselves to self defense in a pistol unless the shooter is outfitted with a good set of ear muffs.  A BIG CON!!

I've decided to hold off for the time being in order to see what else comes out in the 327 caliber.  In the mean time, I'll keep shooting my 30 carbine.  However, if I didn't already have that 30 carbine Blackhawk, I'd probably be at the store buying my new 327 mag today.  

Couger, it is ironic that both of those 32's are really just .308's in the Thompson Centers.  I never understood the use of that concept?

[Couger]

Couger, it is ironic that both of those 32's are really just .308's in the Thompson Centers.  I never understood the use of that concept?

In revolvers,  at least with Ruger SSix's in .32H&R and .32-20 it is not uncommon to reload effectively .308 cal M1 and plinker bullets.

Seems to me just anouther point to connect with T/C, if they decided to use .308 cal rifle blanks instead of .312 to make those Contender and Encore barrels that shoot more like small rifles than single-shot HG's, even when using 15inch instead of 21 or 24inch barrels!

Maybe T/C did that purely from a MARKETING point of view?  (smart move!, in my opinion)

But for a preparedness/survivalist stand point I think it might be smart to take advantage of that feature when designing a [versatile] foraging arsenal!  

Practically every mold maker manufactures a cast boolit mold for the .30Carb (100 to 115grns)
as well as a couple .32-20 boolits that often size down (quite well) to .308-.309 cal.

I like the idea of being able to make a small game "thumper" load (no need for any expansion taking rabbits or squirrels or grouse),

to even creating a "poaching" round or two for bonafide emergency scenarios where taking a deer might indeed  be "called for."    A 130-140-150 grain boolit might work well for that methinks, on game 30-100 yards away.

During a depression if living in the countryside I just might want to have a round like I just described!

Of course full-house .327Mag loads from a 3 or 4in barreled-wheelgun still generate 400plus foot pounds of muzzle energy.

THAT IS HUGE AND AWSOME PERFORMANCE FROM A J-frame size REVOLVER!!!! Esp with 6 or 7 or 8 rounds versus five!

[SHOOTALL]

Blackhawk , you made me think - can a 327 fed GP 100 be reworked to accept 30 carbine with the use of full moon clips ? and still use the rimmed 327 rounds also.

[Couger]

..... Can a 327 fed GP 100 be reworked to accept 30 carbine with the use of full moon clips ? and still use the rimmed 327 rounds also?

NO!!

The .327Mag and .32H&R  (and a couple other shorter .32 rounds) are all (square) straight-wall rounds.  Sharing the same dimensions. rim dia., rim thickness, case dia., web dimensions, etc.  Only real difference is casing lengths!

.30 Carbine however, is a tapered case.

If there was a way interchange GP-100 cylinders, SHOOTALL,  then your idea would probably work

[SHOOTALL]

Then can a full moon clip be made to work with the 327 like they have made to work with the 357 mag. in some S&W revolvers ?
Thanke for setting me stright .

[Blackhawker]

Shootall,
I don't recall the thread but there is a member here that shoots a new model 30 carbine Blackhawk using 32-20 brass.  The new model allows for the brass to seat on the rim of the cartridge as opposed to the headspace.  An old model Blackhawk would not allow for this because the gap in the rear of the cylinder is much tighter and the cartridge openings are recessed into the cylinder.  However, with the new model Blackhawk, he has resized his 32-20 brass to a 30 carbine dimension, loads them with 308's and is able to fire them from his new model 30 carbine Blackhawk.  Why one would do this is beside me since 32-20 brass is so thin and doesn't lend itself to lots of reloading by comparison to the thick 30 carbine brass.  The only advantage I can see is not having to seat the rounds on the headspace and having to pay close attention to cartridge trimming. 

I don't know if that answers your question exactly, in fact, I think it's a little reverse of your question but maybe it put a little insight into how things can or cannot work with such similar chamberings, cartridges and loads.

As far as the 327 being worked to shoot 30 carbine ammo with the 327 rim on it, the first thing I'd be wary of would be bore diameter.  I don't think those 327s are .308 caliber.

[45-70.gov]

some  advantages to  the  327  do  exist  and  not faulting  them

the  357  has much more  power  for the same package

once  your  stock  pile  of ammo  is depleted/lost / stolen/confiscated/separated from you

what  caliber  will  you most   likely be  able  to FIND?

also  your  the rare  occasion  your  327  breaks and your sitting  on your stock pile  of  ammo
you would  be better sitting on  a stock pile of  38s  or   22s

one  other advantage  to the 327.........who would want to steel your ammo

if  your looking for an excuse to buy a new  gun
ignore this post

[teamnelson]

Well I've got a .32H&R barrel for my 'tender, and .32S&W soupcans are like a pellet gun in recoil, and not very loud. If you reamed it to .327 fedmag, that's a lot of options for a reloader ... and that's the point I guess. You'd have to plan on reloading, and probably casting. I've got a small bag that holds a hand press, scale, dies, molds, etc. so I could potentially reload & cast on the go, but probably only feasible for one caliber and it'd be a hard sell to make that a .327.

But this thread has me wondering ... the MCACE sight has a chamber adapter for 30-30 down to .32 H&R. I had thought to swap my .32 barrel for a 30-30 and get the adapter so I'd have a little more versatility since they're both .308 bore diameters. But does anyone know the twist on TC's barrels?

[Couger]

Well I've got a .32H&R barrel for my 'tender, and .32S&W soupcans are like a pellet gun in recoil, and not very loud. If you reamed it to .327 fedmag, that's a lot of options for a reloader ... and that's the point I guess.  Yepper!

You'd have to plan on reloading, and probably casting. I've got a small bag that holds a hand press, scale, dies, molds, etc. so I could potentially reload & cast on the go, but probably only feasible for one caliber and it'd be a hard sell to make that a .327.

But this thread has me wondering ... the MCACE sight has a chamber adapter for 30-30 down to .32 H&R. I had thought to swap my .32 barrel for a 30-30 and get the adapter so I'd have a little more versatility since they're both .308 bore diameters. But does anyone know the twist on TC's barrels? 

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According to the barrels advertised at MidWayUSA that I've looked up, everything T/C makes for the Encore has a 1 in 10 twist.  I haven't studied the Contender choices as much but their bore specs seem to be the same.  Specifically I have looked at barrels in the following .....

.30 Carbine
.32H&R Mag
.300Whisper
.32-20Winnie
.30-30Win
.308Win
.30/06
.300Sav
.30Herrit
.307Win

[Couger]

Well I've got a .32H&R barrel for my 'tender, and .32S&W soupcans are like a pellet gun in recoil, and not very loud. If you reamed it to .327 fedmag, that's a lot of options for a reloader ... and that's the point I guess .....

Should have added that .30Carb boolits and "soupcan" designs  (up to 150grns) are OFTEN discussed at CASTBOOLITS.com when i've visited that board.  The Ideal/Lyman 311466 boolit casts a 150grn flat nose design with gas check.