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need a backup for bear (can I buy a handgun 2nd hand?)
« on: February 12, 2010, 04:13:39 PM »
I hunt deer and elk in bear country- WY.

I have my rifle, and that's it.  From what I read/have been told the best backups for bear are either a 12g with slugs/buckshot or a high-powered handgun like a .44 or a .357. 

The handgun seems like the most practical choice, portable and easy to get to. 

The challange I have is that while I can shoot a pistol, they're not really my thing.  I should probably get one, and when I do I will practice with it enough to be effective in bear country but that is the only time I will shoot it. 

I have a hard time paying the rising cost of a handgun for what I will shoot a few times a year.  I'm not a fellon, I'm not a terrorist, I'm not wanted by the FBI, is there a way an honest citizen can buy a handgun used and not break the law?

I'm not looking for a loophole, just trying to balance reality and legality. 


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Re: need a backup for bear (can I buy a handgun 2nd hand?)
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2010, 04:20:26 PM »
There are used hand guns for sale on here all the time. Yes you can buy one legal here. All you need to do is pay the guy selling it and have it shipped to an FFL of your choice. The FFL guy on your end will run the back ground check on you. After you pass the check you take it home. Dale
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Re: need a backup for bear (can I buy a handgun 2nd hand?)
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2010, 04:24:35 PM »
depends on  your state  and the state  you hunt in
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Re: need a backup for bear (can I buy a handgun 2nd hand?)
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2010, 04:27:24 PM »
Ok thanks, I know I can buy a rifle in my state (WY) or one that touches my state )UT, CO) but I can't buy a handgun in those states because I'm not a resident and don't have a concealed carry permit, not really sure how the permit comes into play but thats what the guy at Cabelas told me.  So if someone has a pistol for sale here how does that work?  

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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2010, 04:38:43 PM »
no hand gun sales  across state lines  [federal]

must  let  2 dealers  handle it like dale said

most charge  $25  average...thats  what i charge

just go talk  to  a few dealers locally....i say  a few...that  license  don't make us know it all
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Re: need a backup for bear (can I buy a handgun 2nd hand?)
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2010, 06:00:02 PM »
If you are a WY resident (you say WY is your state) then go to Shiptons in Sheridan & buy a new one or go to Sports Lure in Buffalo and buy new or used there.  No waiting period in WY, just pick out your handgun, pay for it, and take it home same day.  You don't need a permit.

Any eligible WY resident can buy a handgun of your choice anywhere in the state.

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Re: need a backup for bear (can I buy a handgun 2nd hand?)
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2010, 06:31:36 PM »
go to gunbroker.com and auctionarms.com and filter for someone local to you

re: backup... I'd say, keep that rifle handy, it's better than a pistol

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Re: need a backup for bear (can I buy a handgun 2nd hand?)
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2010, 06:49:32 PM »
::)      Yes go to  www.gunbroker.com  when you pull up the home page look at the top for "new buyers" when that opens look for 'how to buy' and it will talk about FFL holders . Click on it it should as for your zip code and give you a list of people thaT have FFL's and do transfers AND what they charge .
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Re: need a backup for bear (can I buy a handgun 2nd hand?)
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2010, 12:10:29 AM »
If you’re carrying a rifle why bother with a handgun?
The rifle would be much better protection from a bear.

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Re: need a backup for bear (can I buy a handgun 2nd hand?)
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2010, 02:37:41 AM »
Thanks for all of the replies, I'll definetely check out the options listed.

I would use the rifle first, but everyone says that I should carry a backup as well.  If this isn't the case it makes the handgun purchase kind of pointless. 

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Re: need a backup for bear (can I buy a handgun 2nd hand?)
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2010, 04:35:30 AM »
Seems an unusual post.  How to buy a used handgun in your own state of residence when you already own a long gun.  Reminds me of a fishing trip.

On the other hand, I guess I've done a few "unusual" posts myself.
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Re: need a backup for bear (can I buy a handgun 2nd hand?)
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2010, 05:08:49 AM »
This post as written by the OP just doesn't belong here. I honestly am not sure what the intent of it was but it just doesn't appear to be a classified request or want to buy post so I'm moving it to the Bear Hunting Forum where advice on the idea is appropriately discussed.

I've deleted the one post that kinda was an offer to sell so if that poster wishes to do so they can send a PM.


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Re: need a backup for bear (can I buy a handgun 2nd hand?)
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2010, 06:52:45 AM »
Yes the rifle is best but the word back-up means when the primary gun is not useful. Also if you rifle is in the tent and you are making a head call a back-up is handy if its with you

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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2010, 09:14:23 AM »
If both cost and perceived lack of usefulness is an issue, how about a can of bear spray? Between an elk rifle and a can of spray you ought to be able to keep a bear distracted. Lots of fishermen just carry the spray. Another thing about the spray is the weight savings over a nice big handgun.
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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2010, 09:43:18 AM »
Anyone who is not really interested in handguns, or the serious practice necessary to master one,  should look hard at pepper spray (OC) for bear defense.  It works.  Just get one of the law enforcement 12 - 16 ounce fogger size for the reach and density it gives you.  Those little purse size units are way to limited in spray distance and amount.  Any on line police supply house like Galls has it, legal for civilian sales in most areas, and half the cost of "Bear Spray" - It's the same thing.

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Re: need a backup for bear (can I buy a handgun 2nd hand?)
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2010, 09:52:52 AM »
Yes the rifle is best but the word back-up means when the primary gun is not useful. Also if you rifle is in the tent and you are making a head call a back-up is handy if its with you

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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2010, 11:29:54 AM »
Guess I stumbled on a little more than I intended. 

To clear things up a little yes, I do own rifles.  I bought one in Salt Lake City and the other in Denver.  There are bigger chain stores there and we do most of our shopping in either place. 

There are no gun stores in the town I live in but there are two in the next town over and both, in my opinion are way over priced. 

I looked at a pistol a few weeks ago in SLC but was told I can't buy it because I'm not a resident.  I would buy one used but don't know the legalities, it seemed that the firearm classifieds page would be a good place to ask. 

The bear spray sounds like a great idea, I just don't want to stumble accross a bear, empty my rifle, spray it down, throw the empty can at the thing and be left there thinking crap, I should have ponied up the cash for a pistol. 

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Re: need a backup for bear (can I buy a handgun 2nd hand?)
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2010, 11:38:02 AM »
Well, there is always your knife.... :o

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Re: need a backup for bear (can I buy a handgun 2nd hand?)
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2010, 12:18:55 PM »
Get a ruger Blackhawk in .44 or .45. 

Reasonably priced, powerful, easy to pack, and (save the best for last) they are AMERICAN MADE!
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Re: need a backup for bear (can I buy a handgun 2nd hand?)
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2010, 01:20:52 PM »
You misunderstood the use for bear spray. You spray it all over yourself, the bears find you inedible and will leave you alone, 'less  you find a Tex Mex bear.
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Re: need a backup for bear (can I buy a handgun 2nd hand?)
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2010, 01:28:13 PM »
One of my great pleasures living in Wyoming was being able to buy a gun, any gun, from anyone, simply by agreeing on the price, forking over the money, and heading for home. I know thay have since put in a wait time for hanguns at the stores, BUT there are still people who have a gun for sale. It's a matter of finding them. I was in Green River for 17 years and had more choices than I needed. Especially after Christmas when someone realized how much they had gone over on the budget - and got laid off. Lots of bargains were available.  Pawn shops are a good source, but you need to know what you are looking at.

The answer to your OP is yes, of course you can where you live. Find someone who has what you want, agree on the price, pay them and walk away. You are a law-abiding citizen, you say, and that's all legal. And, of course, a non-law abiding citizen can do the same thing. They don't care. And when the laws change so that you and I cannot do that, they still will. Seems pretty senseless to me.

As to the need; as you've read above, there are several schools of thought here. You will need to decide which one fits your circumstance. You can get a lot of spray for the price of ammuntion, much less the cost of the gun. I've been to bear encounter programs given by the Wyoming game & fish. They lean towards a particular kind and are quite down on several kinds and tell the story about bbqing a bear that was pre-seasoned with pepper. Kinda made me wonder.. :o However, it was all good training and they did teach several things to do and not to do in an impending encounter. The tough time I've had is waiting to see if the bear is serious about a dinner date and deciding when I was going to pull the plug on our conversation. So far, it hasn't gotten terminal, BUT there is always that possibility, and I am determined that I will go home under my own power after our discussion. Just another choice, and you get to make it.

I never saw a bear in Wyoming in all those 17 years of living there, and I worked in a lot of those mountains, surveying. When I wasn't working, I was hunting or fishing. Saw lots of sign, some in our camp yard, but never saw an animal. Five years living and working in North Idaho has brought me probably near 100 sightings and a half dozen encounters, all black bear, closest being about 10ft. (They do have terrible breath!) My point being, if I really didn't care to have a handgun in Wyoming, I wouldn't bother to get one. Pack a can of spray and keep the rifle handy. If you do have a bear encounter in Wyoming, it is just as apt to be a Grizzly as a Black bear. Whatever you do, you WILL be bettin your life on it. I'm in the wild a lot when I am not hunting. I always pack a sidearm capable of dispatching whatever becomes life-threatening. Again, it is a choice, and I choose to live or make a big hole in whatever is killing me. I would never get an automatic, as I have never owned an automatic that never jammed. I choose a revolver for both me and my wife. She did not have a choice other than to accept my choice - leaves me responsible, which is where I see myself. She packs a 45Colt Ruger Blackhawk Bisley at standard pressures with a WFN hard cast bullet and clips branches off of tree stumps at "bear encounter" distances. Plenty of punch and not a lot of crash, bang and concussion. I pack a 41Mag Ruger Blackhawk Bisley with a WFN or WLN hard cast at magnum pressure. Just our/my choice.

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Re: need a backup for bear (can I buy a handgun 2nd hand?)
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2010, 02:41:38 PM »
If you have time for all of that you are not being attacked

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« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2010, 02:45:22 PM »
When I lived in Evanston, I bought some rifles and shotguns in SLC because they were cheaper usually. Folks in Wyoming aren't scared to list firearms for sale in the classifieds, and I have seen 44mag Redhawks and SW's listed reasonably priced. If he goes to Denver to buy a long gun, he needs to hunt out the gun shops in his area a little more. As to The Sports Lure, I've never found anything listed reasonably there. Its a yuppy tourist store in a now yuppy tourist town unfortunately. And they don't dicker worth my time.
If he's in Rawlins, there's an old mom and pop sporting Goods store there that's got a super selection of used rifles and handguns. I always carry either a 44mag or a 41 mag with hardcast when in the field in Wyoming. I have seen and hunted bear. I also carry bearspray. Both spray and sidearm are last resort measures. I wouldn't be without them. My closest encounter was inadvertantly coming upon a fairly fresh gutpile, while hunting elk.
Black bear false charged me and I biffed him with spray, from the hip partly out of the holder. We both ran off in opposite directions, choking and sputtering.

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« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2010, 04:02:21 PM »
Lots of great information thanks. 

I'll deffinetely take a harder look at the sprays but think I would prefer to have a pistol as well. 

Hunting season, even scouting is a while off, supposing I can find a good deal locally what should I look for?

Is .357 big enough?  .44 mag better?  Is a revolver better than a semi auto? 

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« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2010, 04:15:00 PM »
44 mag  smith 

ruger  alaskan  44  or  454
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« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2010, 05:17:02 PM »
Your going to want to take a head shot to stop em' right away, so I would think a 357 with fmj/hard cast would work well, easier to master and shoot fast then a 44 mag.  I used to put a lot of thought into this subject as well, then one day I went to a sportsman show, where they had a live 1000 pound grizz on display in a cage.  I walked up to him, about 5 foot away, and thought to myself, "no way"...  All those fantasies about whipping out the 44 snub and stopping him in his tracks, shoving your arm in his mouth while he is on top of you so you can take a head shot, etc....  Its just not going to happen unless you are in a field of 4 leaf clovers with a winning lottery ticket in your back pocket and the sweet light of Jesus shining down on you...  But yea, I carry a short barrel .44 mag Ruger s/a or S&W d/a when I am in the woods up in Maine with a camera photographing wildlife..  Oh, and pepper spray keeps the mosquito's away, and is good on scrambled eggs for breakfast too..:)

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« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2010, 05:35:42 PM »
So the guys who killed charging Grizzlies with handguns musta had angels on their shoulders.....!?
Most recent in Wyoming, retired cop from Ohio I think, just bought a place above cody, WY. Went in the back meadow to look for sheds, only to be charged by a grizzly sow. He emptied his 41mag and killed it, sustaining a few nasty scrapes. But in good shape. Happened last year. Better to have one and not need it, than.... Interestingly, studies out of both Alaska and Washington DNR showed bear spray to be more effective in deterring grizzly than black bear. But both were effective at least 75% of the time. Better to have it and not need it, than....

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« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2010, 05:43:48 PM »
bear  is the extreem  case

there are plenty other things need shooting

you  rifle  like any other machine  might break down

leaving  you defenseless and  unable  to continue to hunt

should you slip and fall and break your arm

3  shots is the international  distress signal

six gun  gives  you  2 calls with out a reload

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« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2010, 05:53:25 PM »
Excellent point sir.

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« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2010, 06:08:15 PM »
Anyone who is not really interested in handguns, or the serious practice necessary to master one,  should look hard at pepper spray (OC) for bear defense.  It works.  Just get one of the law enforcement 12 - 16 ounce fogger size for the reach and density it gives you.  Those little purse size units are way to limited in spray distance and amount.  Any on line police supply house like Galls has it, legal for civilian sales in most areas, and half the cost of "Bear Spray" - It's the same thing.

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    After a number of attacks on hikers and campers in Alaska, the Department of Fish & Game released the following advisory:

    We advise that outdoorsmen wear noisy little bells on their clothing so as not to startle bears. We also advise outdoorsmen to carry pepper spray with them in case of an encounter with a bear. It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh signs of bear activity.

    Outdoorsmen should recognize the difference between Black Bear and Grizzly Bear droppings. Black bear droppings are smaller and contain lots of berries and squirrel fur. Grizzly bear droppings have little bells in it and smells like pepper.

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My only Bear encounters (there have been 3 of them , were all non eventfull ) were  all with Black bear.
The first was Hiking , and I bump into a very small one on a logging road. Bear got one look at me and raced off into
the woods.

2nd was by a lakeshore and I was in a canoe. Bear paid no attention to me at all.  I was able to watch him for qquite a while from about 75 yards.

Third was the scariest  for me but nothing happened, I met Mr. Bear while repairing some fence line
around 6am one very foggy morning. Neither one of us saw each other until we were about 25 yards (if That)
from each other. we startled each other at about the same time and we both wanted the heck away from each other.
We mutually agreed to leave the area very quickly in opposite directions of each other. Shook me up pretty good.  
 

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