Author Topic: not necessary to carry in church... or is it? (Read 4683 times)

Brett · « **on:** February 15, 2010, 01:55:10 AM »

2 teens shot during church service in Richmond

Demian Bulwa, Chronicle Staff Writer

Monday, February 15, 2010

(02-14) 20:05 PST RICHMOND -- Three young men with black sweatshirt hoods pulled over their heads walked into a packed church service in Richmond on Sunday, where one of them opened fire and wounded two teenagers sitting in the pews, police said.

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jhm · « **Reply #1 on:** February 15, 2010, 02:27:13 AM »

I say if you have been cleared to carry a concelled weapon, that you have been deemed a GOOD person and their should NOT be any place where you are FORBIDDEN to carry none no question everywhere PERIOD. Jim

shot1 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 16, 2010, 01:17:21 PM »

You can carry in churches in TN. I carry and so do MANY in my church. We have an instructor in the church and about 1/3 of the congregation that did not already have their carry permit took the class about a year ago and now have theirs. A number of the members are in on a plan of action if something was to go down.
You never know what will happen or where it will happen these days. No doubt the shooting in Richmond VA was probably gang or drug related or both.

mechanic · « **Reply #3 on:** February 16, 2010, 03:44:44 PM »

Illegal to carry in church in Ga. or at any public gathering, like a parade, etc.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #4 on:** February 16, 2010, 04:04:07 PM »

Quote from: mechanic on February 16, 2010, 03:44:44 PM

Illegal to carry in church in Ga. or at any public gathering, like a parade, etc.

OH NO!!!!!!!

i carried my 357 IN a parade in georgia last week end
does that count??

a man should always be armed....it is his right and used to be his duty
according to jefferson

why should a church be different?
why would policy change ove a single event like this church shooting or columbine

mechanic · « **Reply #5 on:** February 16, 2010, 04:11:29 PM »

Quote from: 45-70.gov on February 16, 2010, 04:04:07 PM

Quote from: mechanic on February 16, 2010, 03:44:44 PM
Illegal to carry in church in Ga. or at any public gathering, like a parade, etc.

OH NO!!!!!!!

i carried my 357 IN a parade in georgia last week end
does that count??

a man should always be armed....it is his right and used to be his duty
according to jefferson

why should a church be different?
why would policy change ove a single event like this church shooting or columbine

I guess it ain't illegal if you don't get caught......

gman628 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 17, 2010, 02:52:01 AM »

Not leagal to carry in curch in Mich. either unless you have the permission from the pastor, ministor, ect..., good luck getting that.

Mike in Virginia · « **Reply #7 on:** February 28, 2010, 02:54:28 PM »

Carry your gun always, regardless of legal restrictions, is something to consider. If you carry into a particular private place that says you can't, what law have you violated? Trespassing, a misdemeanor. Schools, courts, and other gov't locations are another matter entirely. Specific laws prohibit concealed weapons on gov't property, and I think we'd be stupid to carry there.

yooper77 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 28, 2010, 02:58:13 PM »

Quote from: jhm on February 15, 2010, 02:27:13 AM

I say if you have been cleared to carry a concelled weapon, that you have been deemed a GOOD person and their should NOT be any place where you are FORBIDDEN to carry none no question everywhere PERIOD. Jim

I agree, totally and I couldn't have said it any better.

yooper77

teamnelson · « **Reply #9 on:** February 28, 2010, 03:05:17 PM »

Quote from: gman628 on February 17, 2010, 02:52:01 AM

Not leagal to carry in curch in Mich. either unless you have the permission from the pastor, ministor, ect..., good luck getting that.

You have standing permission from this Pastor to come armed anytime I'm in the pulpit. Chances are even I will be too.

Dee · « **Reply #10 on:** February 28, 2010, 04:12:43 PM »

In Texas it is illegal to carry in a church. Oh well. Don't ask, don't tell.

bubbinator · « **Reply #11 on:** March 02, 2010, 09:51:33 PM »

YOU have have done nothing wrong, so YOU should not be stopped from exercising your rights to defend your self/family anywhere! In AL(under State Law) you can carry anywhere. In some places schools and alcohol,ect. may apply, but that is local. As an LEO, I carry everywhere, to a fault( Shotgun + Rifle in car). Lately you cannot tell where the CaCa will strike the rotating oscillator, so "Don't Leave Home Without It" should be more than a credit card commercial! The idiots that object to this idea have a purpose on God's Plan-cannon fodder, training aids for Para-medics,etc., God Bless and don't forget the extra mags!

Merle · « **Reply #12 on:** March 07, 2010, 12:12:09 PM »

Quote from: Mike in Virginia on February 28, 2010, 02:54:28 PM

Carry your gun always, regardless of legal restrictions, is something to consider. If you carry into a particular private place that says you can't, what law have you violated? Trespassing, a misdemeanor. Schools, courts, and other gov't locations are another matter entirely. Specific laws prohibit concealed weapons on gov't property, and I think we'd be stupid to carry there.

I guess the real question here is "how many misdemeanors do you get before your CCW is pulled"
And do you really want to stir up that much trouble?

RaySendero · « **Reply #13 on:** March 07, 2010, 12:28:59 PM »

So...We have a offering being collected worth possible $X,XXX in gun free zone. Does anyone else see a potiential robbery coming???

Dand · « **Reply #14 on:** March 07, 2010, 02:03:27 PM »

Remember that whacko in Colorado a couple years ago who shot up a big church but was stopped by a lady who was carrying and who was part of their security plan? I think he killed some folks before he got his. Lots of people and there can be lots of emotions, strong personalities, seems like it would be a good idea to carry if legal. Don't know what the rule is here in Alaska. Our ccw rules are pretty liberal but I have trouble remembering the "don'ts" - bars, court houses, any place posted no guns.

shot1 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 08, 2010, 02:32:41 AM »

Carry well concealed and keep you mouth shut. Most of the time unless you shoot your mouth off about carrying a gun people will never know you do. I have carried a gun everyday for many years almost every place I go and NOBODY has ever known about it. This happened in church a few weeks ago. I have had to start using reading glasses. I found a belt holster for a cell phone that my glasses case just fits in. I wear it on my belt. One of the elders in the church came up to me and said, jokingly, what kind of gun are you carrying? I told him it was my glasses. He laughed and said I was just poking fun with you I knew you would not carry a gun in church. Little did he know that I had a Kel-tec 380 in my pocket in a pocket holster that I always carry to church. He did know know that a number of the members carry a gun to church. We have a security plan between,"those in the know" that carry all the time and nobody else knows about it. It is legal to carry in church in TN.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #16 on:** March 08, 2010, 03:21:41 AM »

In Virginia it is legal to carry in church if you have a good reason to do so . My question has always been who decides if your reason is good enough . I would consider the attacks around the country good reason but others may not. It would seem the easy way would be if all were informed as to the wishes the leaders of the church had . Like businesses a simple sign at the door would inform thoses wishing to enter.

mechanic · « **Reply #17 on:** March 08, 2010, 11:21:00 AM »

I was in a little church in Rockport Tx., last year, and was talking to a man about hog hunting on his cattle lot. A little lady there, in her 80's said I could come to her place. She said the hogs were so bad that she had to carry a gun from house to car, etc. Then she proceeded to pull a Colt peacemaker 45 from her purse, that probably dated to the 1890's. It was her deceased husband's from his dad she said. She also said she had killed quited a few hogs with it.

I couldn't help but think how embarrasing it would be for a big bad robber if this lady got ahold of him, and he lived. I don't think he would have a good prison story.......

S.S. · « **Reply #18 on:** March 12, 2010, 01:24:44 PM »

Honestly, who would know unless you are flashing it around?
And if you ever did need it, folks just might be thanking
God that you had it. Most churches are private property any how?
Should the gov't be able to tell a congregation what goes on in
their church? Does the gov't meddling in church affairs not
violate the constitution?

FourBee · « **Reply #19 on:** March 12, 2010, 02:23:07 PM »

It's a shame that we should have to consider such action in our churches these days, but criminals have become so embolden that there seems to be nothing they won't attempt to do. This past summer, someone used their vehicle to ram thru the front double doors of our church plus the wall facing the parking lot. I certainly considered packing for awhile after that, not knowing what may emerge next, but couldn't bring myself to actually put it into action.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #20 on:** March 13, 2010, 06:34:27 AM »

SS so are bars , places where you eat , retail stores and they tell us there in many cases .

Merle · « **Reply #21 on:** March 13, 2010, 02:32:33 PM »

Quote from: mechanic on March 08, 2010, 11:21:00 AM

I was in a little church in Rockport Tx., last year, and was talking to a man about hog hunting on his cattle lot. A little lady there, in her 80's said I could come to her place. She said the hogs were so bad that she had to carry a gun from house to car, etc. Then she proceeded to pull a Colt peacemaker 45 from her purse, that probably dated to the 1890's. It was her deceased husband's from his dad she said. She also said she had killed quited a few hogs with it.

I couldn't help but think how embarrasing it would be for a big bad robber if this lady got ahold of him, and he lived. I don't think he would have a good prison story.......

And there's another reason not to mess with little old ladies !!!

mechanic · « **Reply #22 on:** March 13, 2010, 02:58:19 PM »

Quote from: S.S. on March 12, 2010, 01:24:44 PM

Honestly, who would know unless you are flashing it around?
And if you ever did need it, folks just might be thanking
God that you had it. Most churches are private property any how?
Should the gov't be able to tell a congregation what goes on in
their church? Does the gov't meddling in church affairs not
violate the constitution?

While I agree with your sentiments, in Ga. it is illegal to carry in a public gathering, i.e. church, parade, political rally, etc. So thats one of those occasions when you keep it discreet and keep your mouth shut.

Personally, if something bad were to happen, I would take a misdemeanor charge of illegal carry against something potentially worse......

JeffG · « **Reply #23 on:** March 25, 2010, 02:48:10 PM »

My brother, a full time LEO has organized the security during the services at church. They (heand his fellow deputies) watch the service on CCTV, and are ready to respond from the next room with sophisticated armed force.

teamnelson · « **Reply #24 on:** March 25, 2010, 03:38:30 PM »

We should be wise as serpents, and innocent as doves. So as a Pastor, I would think it wise to task a couple men to walk the grounds during service times. Friendly, polite, willing to point someone in the right direction, but wary. I think a secret service model is better than a swat team model in that regard. I also would have every man in the church in the rotation ... like the swiss national guard.

Merle · « **Reply #25 on:** March 26, 2010, 02:29:40 PM »

Quote from: TeamNelson on March 25, 2010, 03:38:30 PM

We should be wise as serpents, and innocent as doves. So as a Pastor, I would think it wise to task a couple men to walk the grounds during service times. Friendly, polite, willing to point someone in the right direction, but wary. I think a secret service model is better than a swat team model in that regard. I also would have every man in the church in the rotation ... like the swiss national guard.

How sad that our society has come to this!
But I will no longer go places where I can not be armed.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #26 on:** March 31, 2010, 09:48:35 AM »

It would seem in most of history humans lived as TeamNelson advised . In the new world we got away with being lazy about out security until now . Guess we can say back to living like most humans have well at least the ones who survived for a while !

JeffG · « **Reply #27 on:** March 31, 2010, 10:07:34 AM »

Quote

So thats one of those occasions when you keep it discreet and keep your mouth shut.

Realistically, when was the last time any of us was detained or searched?

Mxpe78a · « **Reply #28 on:** March 31, 2010, 12:14:55 PM »

Quote from: shot1 on February 16, 2010, 01:17:21 PM

You can carry in churches in TN. I carry and so do MANY in my church. We have an instructor in the church and about 1/3 of the congregation that did not already have their carry permit took the class about a year ago and now have theirs. A number of the members are in on a plan of action if something was to go down.
You never know what will happen or where it will happen these days. No doubt the shooting in Richmond VA was probably gang or drug related or both.

Actually It happened in Richmond, California. Richmond, California is much worst than Richmond, Virginia. I have lived In both places CC in California will most likely never happen.

federali · « **Reply #29 on:** April 01, 2010, 02:50:17 AM »

We suffered a random killing at a Roman Catholic church in Lynbrook NY. With "God" telling some people to shoot-up churches and those of the Jewish faith having to fear middle eastern extremists and anti-semites (who come in many flavors), I would not attend any house of worship that prohibits me from carrying. I may be ugly but I'm not suicidal.