Author Topic: how is the best way to remove the old blueing and rust and reblue it back??  (Read 1441 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline kevin oh

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 50
i was wondering what the best way was to remove the old blueing on a bolt action shotgun.do it with emery cloth by hand or what.also what is a good way to reblue the barrell if you dont have all the stuff to do it right.i just want to seal the barrell to keep it from rusting nothing fancy.and any good advice on redoing the stock i can use all the help i can get.

Offline Glanceblamm

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2814
Been a while since I had messed with this but I used the Birchwood-Casey kit that included the stripper and some emory cloth.

Barrel was then degreased (solvent included) and then the blueing was applied. Came out fair and my only advice would be to take your time with the stripping & cleaning.
I dont think that I paid much for this kit but have not priced it as of late.

Offline gunnut69

  • Moderators
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5005
NavalJelly from WalMart will take the blue and the rust off(same really!!) but to smooth the pitting abrasive paper is the stuff. It can be used in a shoeshine fashion with a slight angle to the direction of the strip. The angle should be reversed when the grit is changed to the next finer. Grit to start with depends on the damage the rust has done. Start with 60 if really bad just a bit try starting with 100 and 220 grit as a finish. Finer grits such as 326-400-500 abd even 1000 can be used. Depends on what the result is to be.. Factory finishes often stopped at 220-320. To replace the blue I strongly reccommend OxphoBlue from Brownells. Its easy to use, tough as nails and pretty cheap. It will also touch up shiney edges.. I prefer the liquid and just follow the directions. If using on bare metal I apply with a cosmetic pad clamped in an old forcepts. The material is appled to the pad via a squirt bottle to avoid contaminating the entire bottle. Degreasing is not necessary and a bit of oil won't hust the process at all.. Heat the metal to just very warm, it should NOT boil the liquid blueing compound. Apply the material to the pad and keep the area being blued wet with the pad as long as the material is 'cutting' or affecting the steel. Immediately, before it dries, wipe the excess OxphoBlue from the steel and rub the blued area with steel wool (00) to burnish (shine-polish) the new blued surface. repeat as needed to get the steel the darkness you wish. When complete a little oil to protect the steel is a good idea and let the new blue cure for at least 24 hours, more is better, up to three days or so. I usually protect any newly blued surface with wax and reassemble a few days later. If the pitting is truly bad one can draw file the surface before sanding and bluing. Draw filing or 'striking' a barrel is another subject altogether..
gunnut69--
The 2nd amendment to the constitution of the United States of America-
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Offline Dances with Geoducks

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 338
The best quality bluing is done at a shop that has a hot tank.

Thats why I sandblast and paint the firearms I rebuild. Its way cheaper, and will last forever

Depends what kind of wood it is. They are different methods per wood type


Offline Swampman

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (44)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16518
  • Gender: Male
Most cold blues work just fine if you clean everything properly.
"Brother, you say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it? Why not all agreed, as you can all read the Book?" Sogoyewapha, "Red Jacket" - Senaca

1st Special Operations Wing 1975-1983
919th Special Operations Wing  1983-1985 1993-1994

"Manus haec inimica tyrannis / Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" ~Algernon Sidney~

Offline kevin oh

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 50
it is pitted pretty good the gun is a old bolt action stevens model 258 shotgun.the inside of the barrell is in good shape it is real shiny

Offline JonD.

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (34)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1118
  • Gender: Male
You might want to try Parkerizing. It is an extremely durable and corrosion resistant finish and it is very easy to do: Purchase some manganese(for a black finish. zinc parkerizing concentrate produces a gray to silver finish.) parkerizing concentrate (Brownell's, Midway, Calvan's, Shooters Solutions) Mix with distilled water according to directions, sandblast the parts or you can use Birchwood Casey blue remover which is phosphoric acid(so is Krud Kutter concrete cleaner and etcher), degrease/rinse the parts, plug the barrel on each end, heat the solution 180 to 200 degrees, dip the parts in, wait 15mins, take parts out, rinse in plain water, and oil liberally. Done. A nice charcoal black finish. This process is the factory finish used on many military rifles .

The dipping tank must be either stainless steel, or you can use PVC pipe with a water heater element in the bottom. Several guys on here and myself have this type of set-up and it works great. Just use a 3" to 6" PVC pipe about 45 inches long or so, get a reducing coupling to 2" and a 2" PVC bushing with female 1" pipe threads. Purchase a 1500 watt 110 volt water heater element.(all at Lowes)PVC glue all the pipe components, except the female threaded bushing. The threads on the water heater element and the bushing are not a perfect match, but you can force them to screw in, just make sure you hold it straight while doing so. It will seal, I have made two of them with no leaking. After you thread the element into the bushing and before you glue it in, mask the glue area and paint the electrode with several coats of BBQ high heat paint( I had to learn this the hard way, the solution will eat the copper electrode, and the copper will kill the solution.) now glue it in and hook a up a 110 cord.  I used plain old DWV PVC white pipe, some guys used black ABS pipe because it has a higher temp rating. Plain PVC works fine,  and whether you use this or the ABS make sure you never plug it in unless there is solution in it.(the solution keeps it from melting. You can boil water in a plastic pop bottle over an open flame and it will not melt--same principle.) Also, do not boil the solution. You can use a meat or candy thermometer to keep a check on the temp. I also used a cheap rotary light dimming switch as a "thermostat", but it isn't necessary, just put the parts in at the low temp, and when it gets to high temp unplug it, monitor temp and plug back in if needed until 15 mins are up. The "thermostat" makes it nice though, you can  set it to a pre-determined temp setting and walk off and do something else while its heating and not have to keep a close eye on it. This set-up will boil over very quickly(learned this the hard way too;D )without one.

Hope this helps. ;)

Offline helmickarms

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 25
    • Helmick Arms
Snow bowl toilet bowl cleaner works better and faster than anything I have used to strip blueing. It's cheap and can be bought just about anywhere.

Offline ShadowMover

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 355
  • Gender: Male
Snow Bowl has hydrochloric acid in the list of ingredients doesn't it? It's also called Hydrogen Chloride or Muriatic Acid. It is used in industry to pickle steel surfaces, cleaning rust from them.  It will strip rust and bluing fast, but it will also leave a surface that will rust almost instantly, and even the fumes from this stuff will rust steel across the room. My advice to anybody with any nice steel, be it machinery, tools, or firearms, is to never use any product with hydrochloric acid in it or even store it in the same building with finished steel. I'm not saying not to use it, just that you should do it away from your good stuff, and be ready to wash, dry, and treat the bare steel surface immediately. 

Anybody who has ever used pool acid will be able to tell you stories about rust. They sell the stuff in thin plastic bottles like milk, and I think the fumes can go right through and cause rust and a white haze on your windows. The haze is from trace amounts of ammonia in the air reacting with the acid vapor, forming ammonium chloride.

Offline Swampman

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (44)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16518
  • Gender: Male
Naval Jelly will do a great job of removing bluing.
"Brother, you say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it? Why not all agreed, as you can all read the Book?" Sogoyewapha, "Red Jacket" - Senaca

1st Special Operations Wing 1975-1983
919th Special Operations Wing  1983-1985 1993-1994

"Manus haec inimica tyrannis / Ense petit placidam sub libertate quietem" ~Algernon Sidney~

Offline mitch132

  • Trade Count: (35)
  • Avid Poster
  • **
  • Posts: 246
  • Gender: Male
+1 more for Naval Jelly. Wear rubber gloves and it will eat it off in no time.

Offline Freezer

  • Trade Count: (14)
  • A Real Regular
  • ****
  • Posts: 697
    Naval jelly!  Can be had at any harware store is easy to use and while your at the store pick up a .49 cent brush to apply it and some shop towels for your work station.  A little TSP is always a good drgreaser.  I always wear Platex gloves when I work on my projects. Any oil (even from your fingers) will effect the final product.

Offline gunnut69

  • Moderators
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5005
Painting is a choice but the OxphoBlue is much easier to renew requiring almost no cleanup.. wipe off the excess grease and wam the metal and blue away.. OxphoBlue is actually a form of cold parkerizing and when oiled a bit provides good protection.. I may not be as abrasion resistant as hot salt bluing but it is better than almost everything else except rust bluing which is the best type bluing of all...
gunnut69--
The 2nd amendment to the constitution of the United States of America-
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Offline JonD.

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (34)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1118
  • Gender: Male
+1 on the Naval Jelly. It's phosphoric acid, the exact same ingredient in the blue removers you find in stores. It is also a key ingredient in parkerizing concentrate.