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The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« on: February 19, 2010, 08:13:03 PM »
The tradition of hunting is on the decline in Oregon and nationwide. While Oregon’s population has grown, real numbers of hunters have declined. In 1980, there were 392,000 resident license holders in Oregon. By 2005, that number had declined to 260,000 licensed hunters. . I heard somewhere the number of hunters buying a 2009 license in Oregon dropped by 40% since 1980.

The state of Oregon took care of this little problem by doubling the cost of most tags for 2010 ::)
NOW THAT SHOULD BRING MORE HUNTERS BACK!!!It's obvious! They could care less about increasing the numbers of hunters. They just don't want to loose the money generated. Do the math! Half as many hunters.......Double the price of license! "Problem solved"

I've talked to other hunters around the country, and the decline in the hunting population is happening in their states also. Most states are not as greedy as Oregon, and the fee's are still fair in most.

The decline in hunters in America will give the anti-gun folks another excuse to go after our Firearms.
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Re: The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2010, 03:03:10 AM »
The officals of the DNR in Illinois say that they are selling more hunting licenses than they did last year.I don't understand why though, are small game is almost non existant after years of pestidice and herbicide use.Our game management people have consentrated on the animals that produce the most revenue for the state, and they certainly wouldn't want to take on the big chemical corporations for the poisons that they sale for their profits.Our children are also taught by their teachers about the evils of guns and the slaughtering of the helpless animals.

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Re: The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2010, 03:09:32 AM »
Changes in farming methods and a really huge increase in predators are the reason for the decline in small game.  Soccer moms and effeminised fathers are the reason for the decline in hunting.
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Re: The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2010, 03:19:09 AM »
I think that much of the decline can be linked to the decline in subsistence hunting.  My father, who is 71, and his brothers hunted to put food on the table.  This developed an enjoyment of hunting that they passed down to their sons.  In our generation, we have seen a change in the work environment and a shift in land management that has diminished the time available for hunting and the access to quality hunting land.  While I absolutely enjoy hunting, I don't hunt nearly as much as my fathers generation.  I don't need to put meat on the table in that manner.  If I buy property to hunt on, I can't hunt as much because I have to work harder to pay the tremendous expense.  Lot's of reasons.  In KY, hunting has come under more regulation on government land which has changed access.

As to chemicals, I'm not convinced that the chemicals themselves are causing the demise so much as the practice of land management that is represented by the use of chemicals.  In part, farming practices have changed because the farmer has a hard time surviving if he doesn't use every inch of land that will produce.  This leads to the use of chemicals to control border/transitional areas that, in years past, were left fallow.  The old practices allowed natural areas of transition that are ideal for food growing plants and cover/egress for wildlife in general. 

We could argue that government regulation of farm practices has led to much of the changes but I'm speaking of my area of the country just east of the Mississippi.

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Re: The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2010, 03:33:52 AM »
Less public land, higher fees, and more non traditional activities (video games) take their toll. These days, you need to buy a hunting camp or own a a lot of land  in my area. I feel that public land is way overcrowded with hunters. A friend hunts Sterling forest. 500 public acres. They hold a lottery for 500 permits. Super crowded. Super dangerous. Other things they do near my area. A 1 month special season on park land. You apply and are told in which of 4 areas you can hunt, what day, and what time slot. Yes, you only get 1 day and 1 slot. People without land put up with it to avoid crowds.

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Re: The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2010, 03:46:58 AM »
Costs are squeezing the average hunter out of the picture. It is just plain expensive to hunt!

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Re: The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2010, 05:53:14 AM »
Here in Pennsylvania its from the depleted deer population, the greedy Game COmmision, and plus the fact they have been asking for peoples social security numbers, which is a invasion of privacy. And we are losing hunting grounds.
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Re: The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2010, 06:19:49 AM »
All of the above,and then some

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Re: The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2010, 07:18:55 AM »
Its not dying

Its being murdered

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Re: The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2010, 07:44:04 AM »
The more urban the area the more this is occuring. It is not happening much here.
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Re: The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2010, 08:29:50 AM »
Nothing more scary than hunting on public land, when you see some nut walking his dog down a old cart road right past your stand wearing a brown coat. Some people are brainless!! >:(

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Re: The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2010, 10:39:37 AM »
Fees are way up, prices for guns/ammo are way up, time to hunt is hard to find if you live in an urban area (drive to rural area), fewer place to hunt for free (WMA license now, farmers lease land/charge for access, hunting leases/clubs), did I say license fees are way up, especially if you go out of state for big game. Nebraska has this same issue with fewer hunters....so they raised all of the license fees to make up for the lost revenue. There were 127 million people in the USA in 1933...now there are 305 million people.
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Re: The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2010, 11:32:03 AM »
Nebraska has this same issue with fewer hunters....so they raised all of the license fees to make up for the lost revenue.

I think many states are doing this. Its all about money.

State game management entities,  or game commissions are like big government. They become inefficient in everything they do. They continue to grow, and need more and more money to support themselves. When this happens the best interests of the people, or in this case the hunters are not the main issue. Making money becomes their main issue. I know many in Pa. are fed up with the way the game commission has been doing things.  I have heard people say that they are not going to buy a license anymore. These are people that have enjoyed hunting for 30 or 40 years. If older hunters are losing interest, younger hunters will never get interested.
       
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Re: The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2010, 03:06:57 PM »
All above are reasons, another big one is all the anti gun anti hunting garbage in the media and our school systems. Guns are bad, hunting is cruel, picking on the poor animals. When I was growing up in ILL we hunted every season and depended on wild game for food. We also had pork, beef, and chicken, but game and fish was a large part of our diet. By todays standards I reckon we were poor, but we didn't know it. Farmers used to harvest the crops and plow in the spring, there was always grain in the fields for the critters, then came fall plowing to save time, all that critter food was plowed under. I remember that and my Dad said that the fall plowing greatly reduced the game population. Now, it's no till,and subdivisions replacing game habitat. A lot of things have aided the decline in hunting. No rabbits or quail around here to speak of, plenty of coyotes though. POWDERMAN.  :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
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Re: The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2010, 03:26:54 PM »
Hunting shows don't help either. I enjoy watching the shows, but how can I teach my son what hunting is really all about when he watches them shoot three deer in a half hour. Naturally I explain that there are hours of camera time put into that half hour show, but still when we go hunting he expects action. Makes it hard to sit for deer for any length of time. Combine it with the video game addiction that most kids have these days and it is really tough to get them hooked on the outdoors.
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Re: The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2010, 03:39:13 PM »
Nebraska has this same issue with fewer hunters....so they raised all of the license fees to make up for the lost revenue.

I think many states are doing this. Its all about money.

State game management entities,  or game commissions are like big government. They become inefficient in everything they do. They continue to grow, and need more and more money to support themselves. When this happens the best interests of the people, or in this case the hunters are not the main issue. Making money becomes their main issue. I know many in Pa. are fed up with the way the game commission has been doing things.  I have heard people say that they are not going to buy a license anymore. These are people that have enjoyed hunting for 30 or 40 years. If older hunters are losing interest, younger hunters will never get interested.
       
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Re: The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2010, 04:08:19 PM »
Leasing and going on guided hunts seems to be the future of hunting.  Many will not be able to afford the costs and thus will drop out.

It's not unlike everyday life.  Those that have, do, those who don't have, do without.

It stinks, but I don't see it changing.







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Re: The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2010, 06:20:13 PM »
It is not dying it is becoming the sport of Kings
Two years ago Oklahoma lost over 200,000 acres of public access hunting land to the greed for the all mighty dollar.
With promises of more land losses to come and online bidding to lease any land worth hunting. These leases are bought up by wealthy corporations mostly out of state interlopers and carpet baggers. And all the while the timber company that owns the land pays almost no property tax at all. When they bought the property the agreement was that it would remain open to public hunting, so much for words huh.
With in the next 3-5 years we will lose another 500,000 acres to greed the worst is that the state does not even consider it a loss of hunting land because it is still hunted. The fact that it will only hunted by the wealthy and privileged is of little concern to those in any position to do anything about it.

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Re: The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2010, 07:08:35 PM »
All above are reasons, another big one is all the anti gun anti hunting garbage in the media and our school systems. Guns are bad, hunting is cruel, picking on the poor animals. When I was growing up in ILL we hunted every season and depended on wild game for food. We also had pork, beef, and chicken, but game and fish was a large part of our diet. By todays standards I reckon we were poor, but we didn't know it. Farmers used to harvest the crops and plow in the spring, there was always grain in the fields for the critters, then came fall plowing to save time, all that critter food was plowed under. I remember that and my Dad said that the fall plowing greatly reduced the game population. Now, it's no till,and subdivisions replacing game habitat. A lot of things have aided the decline in hunting. No rabbits or quail around here to speak of, plenty of coyotes though. POWDERMAN.  :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
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Re: The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2010, 12:04:17 AM »
everybodies land is posted..they may have thier reasons .. but if you not family or connected to a land owner somehow[or got the money to dole out]..sometimes it can be hard to find a place to hunt..
 the idea of just taking you gun an going hunting will die with me..
 im not going to be part of a good ole boy bunch, just to get to hunt,for wild game..slim
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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2010, 12:24:31 AM »
here in MO where i hunt i actually saw more hunters this year on the land surrounding mine than ever before.kinda made me feel a little crowded compared to previous deer seasons.i have noticed that at the public hunting areas near me activity dureing geer season has steadily declined over the years.

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Re: The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2010, 12:37:02 AM »
I think because of increasing licence fees, increasing ammo prices, very little good state hunting areas, most people are loosing interest in hunting. Just this year for a Sportsmen licence with a DMP cost just under a 100.00. That is a 30.00 increase in one year and that price is for a residence licence. I'm very fortunate to have my own land to hunt on but most folks have to settle for state land which is hunted to death. Look at the price of firearms, the manufactures are practically pricing themselves out of business. Many people would rather go to their local grocery store than set in the woods waiting for a deer. It's a rare youngster that wants to hunt with his dad or grandfather today but would rather play XBox games. I know thats not all kids but i'm sure this has some effect on the sport.
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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2010, 12:55:45 AM »
 i was watching a criminal minds episode.. the head detective or what ever ,,saw a deer in the back of a truck ..he looked at it distastefully an said id rather get my food at a grocery store..
  i thought what a dumb fellow..don t he know a cow ,hog or chicken had to die for him to eat that food also..
  i know ..he was just adding to the media efforts to program the thinking of a spoiled people..
 in other wds just an actor ,,doing his job.. slim

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Re: The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2010, 01:06:53 AM »
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It is not dying it is becoming the sport of Kings
Two years ago Oklahoma lost over 200,000 acres of public access hunting land to the greed for the all mighty dollar.

With promises of more land losses to come and online bidding to lease any land worth hunting. These leases are bought up by wealthy corporations mostly out of state interlopers and carpet baggers. And all the while the timber company that owns the land pays almost no property tax at all. When they bought the property the agreement was that it would remain open to public hunting, so much for words huh.

What Hooker said.

It is nearly impossible to find a deer lease in this part of OK because the fat cats from OK City, Dallas and Tulsa pay big bucks to lease hunting property.  Then the perps trespass on all the adjacent property that is not leased.  

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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2010, 02:22:48 AM »
Costs are squeezing the average hunter out of the picture. It is just plain expensive to hunt!

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Re: The sport of hunting, is dying in America
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2010, 03:12:34 AM »
The population grows non stop. I hope less people hunt. Only way there will be room for those that want to.

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« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2010, 03:32:01 AM »
I think little canoe hit it on the head - cheap food rules this country.  As a farmer, landowner, and avid hunter, believe me it is hard to manage the game on your land and the "hunters" whom you give permission to hunt.  We have enough employees, family and friends to keep the game under control, but people are hard to trust, and they tend to go where you tell them not to.  This causes issues with our landowning neighbors.  We also have neighbors who are trying to grow the deer population which is already out of control, as evidenced by the large amount of crop damage we (and they) sustain every year.  They just tolerate it because they think having 100 doe for every buck is an ok thing - I disagree.  Deer love alfalfa and corn, and we need it to feed dairy cows too.  Many issues, and not one good answer.  Good thread, and interesting to read people's feelings on the issue.

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« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2010, 03:59:47 AM »
Just to many people. Landowners don't want pigs on there land. Guy's here in Michigan go ice fishing and trash the water.  >:(

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« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2010, 03:54:21 PM »
Too many people not enough woods.

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« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2010, 02:15:18 AM »
One thing you can do something about is to teach somebody how to hunt. It's hard to learn if you do it yourself. I started hunting at age 40 and there were a lot of things I had to learn the hard way.

Most people who try hunting give up because they don't see much game. That's a statistic from the Minnesota department of natural resources.
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