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would'nt it be cool if they made sub-sonic 17hm2 ammo !!!
« on: February 20, 2010, 03:31:44 AM »
but i guess we can't have everything.... :'(

anyone know different ??

i think it would be a blast on yard varmits !!!!  ;D

i like the cci cb-long in my vp, but i'm always up fer sumthin new
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Re: would'nt it be cool if they made sub-sonic 17hm2 ammo !!!
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2010, 05:49:05 AM »
That's what .177" airguns are for!!  8) But you can use .17 Aguila ammo in the M2.  ;)

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Re: would'nt it be cool if they made sub-sonic 17hm2 ammo !!!
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2010, 06:52:17 AM »
tim,
i tried that ammo awhile back... and its not really "low noise"
like the cb-long.  i appreciated the info tho.....
my benji pump gets used daily round here on lottsa things... ;D
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Re: would'nt it be cool if they made sub-sonic 17hm2 ammo !!!
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2010, 07:08:35 AM »
Here's mine!  ;D

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Re: would'nt it be cool if they made sub-sonic 17hm2 ammo !!!
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2010, 07:16:21 AM »
Thats why I have a .22 cal, not a .17

I have ammo that goes 900fps, and ammo that goes 1600fps.

and its all cheap

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Re: would'nt it be cool if they made sub-sonic 17hm2 ammo !!!
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2010, 07:17:10 AM »
i hear ya!!!
thats one dem high dollar pellet pitchers ain't it....?
i bet its a good shooter too.
got one of them whisper's while back and it was a POS !!!
i'll stick to the benji, or my cb's   ;D
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Re: would'nt it be cool if they made sub-sonic 17hm2 ammo !!!
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2010, 07:48:48 AM »
Not too high dollar, I got it for $250, shoots good.  ;)

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Re: would'nt it be cool if they made sub-sonic 17hm2 ammo !!!
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2010, 09:30:43 AM »
+1 on .177 air rifles (and what a deal you got Tim). At that price it will pay for itself in ammo costs, but you have to use it to do so. So many guns (& calibers) and sooo little time.....
Ive got an RWS 75 recoilless that you can watch the pellet go into the same hole if you can shoot that well. No matter what happens with the gun laws I will still be able to shoot (well, almost no matter what happens).
I do like the .22 CB longs also for the short shots at small vermin, but the air gun would do as well and not carry as far to the neighbors on a high shot.
I can see the attraction of a sub-sonic .17RF, but no way would it be as cheap to shoot as a .22LR and you can get any performance level in the .22 rimfires within reason.
So, dont hold your breath and start saving up now.
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Re: would'nt it be cool if they made sub-sonic 17hm2 ammo !!!
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2010, 09:38:11 AM »
I can see the attraction of a sub-sonic .17RF, but no way would it be as cheap to shoot as a .22LR and you can get any performance level in the .22 rimfires within reason.

i'm fully aware of that..... thank you
sea-ya.....
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burn ya lil'bit did'nt it. ya ever been snipe hunt'n ?  come on...

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Re: would'nt it be cool if they made sub-sonic 17hm2 ammo !!!
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2010, 02:57:27 PM »


  Maybe if you were to pull bullet and powder out of a 17hm2 and insert a .177 pellet in the bore then just power the pellet with the primer?

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Re: would'nt it be cool if they made sub-sonic 17hm2 ammo !!!
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2010, 03:53:20 AM »
That just reminded me of a 'gallery' experiment I did about 30yrs ago. I made a fixed length loading rod to muzzle load .22 pellets into an autoloading target pistol (an H&R could use a 'breach seater') to sit just above the chamber, still in the rifling. I backed it with a .22 blank and got surprising accuracy. And too much noise. They were anything but sub-sonic (no surpise) either.
Now, that primer only .177 pellet may be OK, but the skirts on .177 can blow off leaving a bore obstruction, so watch out if using pellets. I would now prefer a tiny round ball, I think, and lead .177 balls are, or were, made (lead BBs).
Back to the original question, though, the idea of pulling the 17H bullets and changing the powder charge to make a sub-sonic load could work (but 'dont try this at home' as they say).
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Re: would'nt it be cool if they made sub-sonic 17hm2 ammo !!!
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2010, 08:51:25 PM »
Years ago when my kids were small, too small to crank a break action springer (and I got tired of doing it for them) I came up with a way to keep them shooting in the basement. I had a TC Carbine with youth stock and a 223 barrel. I primed a bunch of cases with small pistol primers, dropped a .22 pellet into the chamber, poked it just a bit with a piece of cleaning rod to make sure it went straight in, and loaded the primed case  behind it. The kids were used to shooting this rig out of doors, so the familiarity factor was in our favor. (I still had to cock the hammer for the little one (5 yrs), though the older one (10) could do it herself about half the time)

It worked great, and was very quiet. It also turned out to be a way to show the kids how they would sometimes flinch when shooting it with the centerfire barrel. It proved to me, and them, that a lot of the flinch was related to the noise of the .223, since recoil was minimal.

Anyway all went well until one day, the (now ex) wife hollered down the stairs "Are you shooting a real gun in the basement?" It turns out she couldn't hear us, but after awhile she could smell the results of the primers going off. She was alright with an airgun going off at 500-600 fps, but didn't like the "real" gun shooting pellets at around 300 or so. (I did chrono them)

Fortunately we had already managed several evenings with it when she hadn't been home (and we continued afterward when she went out). The kids learned a lot about sight picture, breathing, squeezing (that TC had a great trigger compared to the airguns we had). Nowadays, 10 years later, they can whup me more often than not when we have a family fun match, air rifle or "real" one.

I can still outdo them both with a Ruger 357 Blackhawk though, but they are nipping at my heels there too!

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Re: would'nt it be cool if they made sub-sonic 17hm2 ammo !!!
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2010, 01:48:09 AM »
Too much trouble for a .17.  Just use .22CBs.
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Re: would'nt it be cool if they made sub-sonic 17hm2 ammo !!!
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2010, 02:20:24 PM »
but i guess we can't have everything.... :'(

anyone know different ??

i think it would be a blast on yard varmits !!!!  ;D

i like the cci cb-long in my vp, but i'm always up fer sumthin new
I think it would be nice to have something like that for plinking, sparrows, starlings and rats as long as they could sell it to us cheap! One thing's for sure, it wouldn't have nearly the punch as a .22 subsonic hollowpoint. The .22 has enough surface area to where you could have a nice gaping hollowpoint. Love those subsonics for squirrel hunting! A subsonic .17 would be a great idea for both the M2 AND the HMR because let's face it, adding to a rifle's versatility is tantamount to adding to it's popularity...always a good thing. One thing both the M2 and the HMR need though is a small game load. A 17-20 gr. bullet at about 1800 fps. (about like the Aguilla) would take small game without being overly damaging to the meat and again, add to the versatility of the cartridges. Back in the '70's when the 5mm Remington Magnum was competing with the .22 WMR in the marketplace, one of (there more factors but this was one of them) the things that helped the .22 WMR come out ahead of it's ballistically superior competitor from Remington was the fact that you had a small game load, a 40gr. solid whereas the 5mm had only a varmint loading. Heck, you even had the .22WRF (45gr. @ 1550fps) for small game if you were so inclined. Again, there were other factors to be sure but Winchester had a good idea with the 40 grain solid. There's no reason though that a subsonic .22 Mag load couldn't be produced with soft lead and a huge gaping hollowpoint.
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Re: would'nt it be cool if they made sub-sonic 17hm2 ammo !!!
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2010, 03:19:16 AM »
Mike, if you like the 20 grain .17 Aquilas and have a Sportster in .17 Mach2 just shoot the Aquilas out of the .17 Mach2. I bought a brick and they shoot fine. Others here have done the same thing with the same results. It is not a quiet subsonic round but it is great on small game and small varmints....<><....:)
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Re: would'nt it be cool if they made sub-sonic 17hm2 ammo !!!
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2010, 06:53:22 AM »
Mike, if you like the 20 grain .17 Aquilas and have a Sportster in .17 Mach2 just shoot the Aquilas out of the .17 Mach2. I bought a brick and they shoot fine. Others here have done the same thing with the same results. It is not a quiet subsonic round but it is great on small game and small varmints....<><....:)

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Yeah, I know but I'm kind of like the OP in that I like to think about 'what if'. I do think that he has a point about a subsonic .17M2 or/and HMR for that matter. It really would be great for plinking, informal target in settled areas and pests. I would have some reservations about it for small game though (the Aguilla would be better for that) aside from head shots. A subsonic squib load with say a 14gr. bullet at UNDER 1050 fps would be whisper quiet....even more quiet than a .22 subsonic LR and perhaps even more so than a .22 CB cap. It's just to play 'what if' now and then.;)

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Re: would'nt it be cool if they made sub-sonic 17hm2 ammo !!!
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2010, 07:06:27 AM »
I have taken over 250 problem gray squirrels and a crow (target of oppurtunity within my own self imposed range restriction) with Super Colibris and head shots. Know your distance limitations and wait for a good shot, they work well, and are quieter than a bb gun....<><....:)
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Re: would'nt it be cool if they made sub-sonic 17hm2 ammo !!!
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2010, 05:56:10 PM »
I have taken over 250 problem gray squirrels and a crow (target of oppurtunity within my own self imposed range restriction) with Super Colibris and head shots. Know your distance limitations and wait for a good shot, they work well, and are quieter than a bb gun....<><....:)

I can definitely believe that after your results! Nothing speaks louder than success! In fact, I have a hunch that due to the lower velocity of the Colibris they may even be quieter than CB caps which is REALLY saying something!
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Re: would'nt it be cool if they made sub-sonic 17hm2 ammo !!!
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2010, 05:19:48 AM »
Hi Mike, I am a conservative from the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts. Therre are many more of us here than the news media would have you believe. At the the last Tea Party I attended I even met conseravtive Tea Bag Democrats!!! At least they said the USED to be democrats, they said they even voted for obama, but were now disillusioned and no longer back him, or his socialist, marxist, communist, agenda....<><....:)
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Re: would'nt it be cool if they made sub-sonic 17hm2 ammo !!!
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2010, 05:35:39 PM »
Hi Mike, I am a conservative from the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts. Therre are many more of us here than the news media would have you believe. At the the last Tea Party I attended I even met conseravtive Tea Bag Democrats!!! At least they said the USED to be democrats, they said they even voted for obama, but were now disillusioned and no longer back him, or his socialist, marxist, communist, agenda....<><....:)
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