Conservatives spending your money too

[P.A. Myers]

There are a couple of reasons why I am not a Libertarian, but I agree with this:


"Unlike libertarians, most conservatives simply don't want small government. They want their own version of big government. Of course, they have done a pretty good job of fooling American voters for decades by repeating the phrases "limited government" and "small government" like a hypnotic chant.

It's interesting that conservatives only notice "big government" when it's something their political enemies want. When conservatives want it, apparently it doesn't count.

If a conservative wants a trillion-dollar foreign war, that doesn't count.
If a conservative wants a 700-billion-dollar bank bailout, that doesn't count.
If a conservative wants to spend billions fighting a needless and destructive War on Drugs, that doesn't count.
If a conservative wants to "protect" the huge, unjust, and terribly inefficient Social Security and Medicare programs, that doesn't count.
If a conservative wants billions in farm subsidies, that doesn't count.

It's truly amazing how many things "don't count." The fact is, liberals and conservatives both want gigantic government. Their visions sometimes look different from each other, but both are huge. The only Americans who truly want small government are Libertarians."

[jimster]

If a conservative wants a trillion-dollar foreign war, that doesn't count.
If a conservative wants a 700-billion-dollar bank bailout, that doesn't count.
If a conservative wants to spend billions fighting a needless and destructive War on Drugs, that doesn't count.
If a conservative wants to "protect" the huge, unjust, and terribly inefficient Social Security and Medicare programs, that doesn't count.
If a conservative wants billions in farm subsidies, that doesn't count.

 
Sounds like your confused.  Who says the the things you mention above are conservative, and who says it was a conservative that wanted those things?

All true conservatives want small limited government, anyone who doesn't is not really conservative...it's as simple as that.

libertarians are conservative too. Conservative is more a way of life than a political handle. Some people try to make the word conservative into some political thing.  

Saving money and paying off your debts and spending carefully is conservative.  I don't know how that word conservative got a bad rap myself.  But it is a good word, and most people live their lives as conservatives, especially if they are raising kids.

Jim

[P.A. Myers]

This is a quote from the Libertarian Party. Don't confuse 'Conservative' with 'conservative'.

[jimster]

Politics is all just word games...don't confuse a true liberal with a Marxist either I guess.   

"I HAVE FOUND A CERTAIN TYPE CALLS HIMSELF A LIBERAL...NOW I ALWAYS THOUGHT I WAS A LIBERAL. I CAME UP TERRIBLY SURPRISED ONE TIME WHEN I FOUND OUT THAT I WAS A RIGHT-WING, CONSERVATIVE EXTREMIST, WHEN I LISTENED TO EVERYBODY'S POINT OF VIEW THAT I EVER MET, AND THEN DECIDED HOW I SHOULD FEEL. BUT THIS SO-CALLED NEW LIBERAL GROUP, JESUS, THEY NEVER LISTEN TO YOUR POINT OF VIEW..."

John Wayne

[BoomLover]

Libertarian Party DOES NOT speak for any of the true "Conservatives" I know. If this manifesto is from them, then it's theirs, not anyone else's. Every "Conservative" I know does want smaller government, less intrusion by government, less taxes (for everyone!), to be allowed to pursue life un-fettered by oppressive rules, regulations, ect. In other words, get big government out of our daily lives and out of our pocket books. Now, if you see all you mentioned in this, then get some new glasses. I wear them, but I think I'm seeing pretty clearly regarding the state this country is in, and the way Obama is spending us into poverty in rapid form! 

[P.A. Myers]

This is a quote from the Libertarian Party. Why dont you put your glasses on and read this quote for yourself, it's on their website. A conservative should know who is spending what. We are in the final stages of a total worldwide financial meltdown, brought about by debt. The watch dogs are silent, they will not bark. You have to investigate this for yourself. Huntly & Brinkly are dead.

The government is spending too much of our money and borrowing to do it. This includes things we like and things we dont like. Meanwhile the engines of commerce have the parking brakes applied.


This is really gloomy.

[alsaqr]

If a conservative wants billions in farm subsidies, that doesn't count.

I have written several letters to each of our OK senators and US Rep. Tom Cole on this issue.  In their replies to my concerns; those  Republican "con-servatives" defend welfare for big farmers and agribusinesses.  Farm welfare is one of the biggest boondoggles of all time.  

http://farm.ewg.org/farm/top_recips.php?fips=40031&progcode=total&yr=2006

Comanche county, OK farm welfare payments in 2006-Top welfare recipients:  

Philip Ray Bohl Chattanooga, OK 73528 $57,390
2 Marvin Duane Wyatt Lawton, OK 73505 $54,264
3 Patricia D Wyatt Lawton, OK 73505 $52,801
4 Joe Coleman Sterling, OK 73567 $44,544
5 Patton Farms Inc ∗ Faxon, OK 73540 $34,740
6 Joe N Sullivan Lawton, OK 73501 $31,973
7 4-d Farms & Cattle Co Inc ∗ Lawton, OK 73506 $31,812
8 Matthew Wyatt Chattanooga, OK 73528 $30,140
9 Kim Wyatt Chattanooga, OK 73528 $30,139
10 John Mark Kirk Chattanooga, OK 73528 $28,692
11 Steve L Sullivan Fletcher, OK 73541 $28,332
12 Ronnie James Brewer Indiahoma, OK 73552 $27,445
13 Jackie Nunley Fletcher, OK 73541 $26,952
14 Lance John Inc Dba L L Farms ∗ Lawton, OK 73501 $25,450
15 Bohl Farms Inc ∗ Chattanooga, OK 73528 $24,415
16 Don Fischer Chattanooga, OK 73528 $23,756
17 Russ Wayne Scherler Walters, OK 73572 $23,214
18 Glenda Arlene Scherler Walters, OK 73572 $23,192
19 Ralph J Dickson Lawton, OK 73505 $22,987
20 Larry W Musgrove Faxon, OK 73540 $22,848



Find the farm welfare king in your county:

http://farm.ewg.org/farm/region.php?fips=00000

[GH1]

I liked to soil myself when I saw some of those figures. 
 First place in AR was held by Riceland Foods, Inc.  In 2006 RFI received over 7.7 million in subsidies. between 95 & 06 they received over 550 million.
GH1

[nomosendero]

I liked to soil myself when I saw some of those figures. 
 First place in AR was held by Riceland Foods, Inc.  In 2006 RFI received over 7.7 million in subsidies. between 95 & 06 they received over 550 million.
GH1

Yes, AR is a welfare State, with a combination of folks on Welfare in the way we think of Welfare & farmers & farm Corp. which are the upper classed welfare folks.

[nomosendero]

If anyone thinks I am kidding, go to the first link alsaqr gave, plug in Arkansas & 1st Con. District alone, mind boggling!!   If the entire heartland had been able to funnel money like that we would have been bankrupt 10 years ago. It makes the Oklahoma #'s look like popcorn money.

[nw_hunter]

Libertarian Party DOES NOT speak for any of the true "Conservatives" I know. If this manifesto is from them, then it's theirs, not anyone else's. Every "Conservative" I know does want smaller government, less intrusion by government, less taxes (for everyone!), to be allowed to pursue life un-fettered by oppressive rules, regulations, ect. In other words, get big government out of our daily lives and out of our pocket books. Now, if you see all you mentioned in this, then get some new glasses. I wear them, but I think I'm seeing pretty clearly regarding the state this country is in, and the way Obama is spending us into poverty in rapid form! 

Spoken like a good Republican! Which today in DC is anything but Conservative.

[Dee]

You ought to see some here in my part of Texas. They file for themselves, and then for their WIVES. I know one farmer and his wife that are getting over $160,000.00 a year, and have since 1995. As some one said. Farm Welfare.
When your checkin your counties, check for their wives names also. I doubt Texas has the only farmers doin it.

[alsaqr]

When your checkin your counties, check for their wives names also.

Exactly.  Look at Russ and Glenda Scherler in my post.   "Farmers" are welfare cheats too.  One family west of here has seven members that are on farm welfare.  They rake in over one million per year.

[gypsyman]

Hey, those big green tractors cost a bunch. My next door neighbor spent $7,000 on one, and it's only a 17hp riding mower. gypsyman

[Dee]

I know farmers that have some very expensive hobbies, and their wives retired from other jobs.How does that work? Now she shops. Still ain't farmin.

[Dances with Geoducks]

Sir, I think you have Republicans confused with conservatives.

There are a lot of Republicans

But very few Conservatives.

[dukkillr]

Sir, I think you have Republicans confused with conservatives.

There are a lot of Republicans

But very few Conservatives.

Want to smoke out a few?  Start a thread about how Alaska Republican Ted Stevens was a notorious porker.  Then what you'll find is that Alaskans feel the deserve that pork spending.  And now you have found the real problem, it's not unique to Alaska.  Most senators and almost all representatives from both parties love spending your money and their constituents are too dumb to figure out that if everyone does what they do, it'll never end.

[Dee]

dukkillr, don't confuse the issues with facts. Point made.

[blind ear]

This is a farmer loop hole that might have been closed but they would form coorporations with employes to draw additional "limits" of $150,000.00 each. eddie

[gypsyman]

Thats the main problem with how things are being done nowdays. Too many loopholes, and they're all for the big business, agri or otherwise. Look how tobacco farmers where subsidized, and now the fed's are looking ar going after tobacco company's again. Like a dog chasing it's tail. And the little guy is caught right in the middle. You know the spot. It's right where the tail begins and the body ends. gypsyman

[Graybeard]

Only thing I wanna know is how do I get on the gravy train? In my county the top two are apparently husband and wife with same last name and address and they are pulling in over $280,000 according to the 2006 day. They live in town and so far as I know don't even farm.

The biggest farm operations I'm aware of in the county are way down the list from them. Wow what a gravy train these folks are on.

[Sourdough]

The wife and I are thinking about moving south and getting a small farm and raising horses.  How can we get on this gravy train?

[alsaqr]

The wife and I are thinking about moving south and getting a small farm and raising horses.  How can we get on this gravy train?

Yep, you can.  When the DC political criminals voted in the 1986 "tax reform" law they kept the tax breaks for horse breeders.  If you breed the mares so that you do not turn a profit more than more than either two or three years out of five (the figure escapes me) then you pay little or no tax. 

Good old Mitch McConnell is always looking out for the horse breeders:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/14/mcconnells-farm-bill-priority-tax-breaks-for-thoroughbred-race-horse-owners/

The millionaire-only earmark is just McConnell’s latest attempt to have it both ways on pork barrel spending. After securing nearly $195 million in earmarks for FY2008, he voted in favor of a one-year earmark moratorium in March. Yet his “eleventh hour” decision earned him criticism that he was “playing both sides by not lobbying for the measure, which ensured that it failed, while voting for the amendment in order to insulate himself from attacks on the right.”

[skarke]

When I was a little boy, my parents would talk about the Great depression.  Certainly, they would lament the suffering; but, they just refused to accept any form of welfare from the Government during these times.  They felt that they weren't poor enough (like most, they had almost nothing).  They believed that it was immoral to take charity unless failing to do so would result in starvation.  My mother still believes that way.

Charity is not an entitlement or right to receive, just to give of our own free will.  When we are forced to be charitable through income redistribution, then we are no longer givers, just tax subjects.

I hope that I don't face similar situations, but if I do, I hope that I can honor my parents' morality.