Personally, I like the Survivor...a lot. I have Survivor stocks on 3 shotguns and will probably do more. The LOP on the Survivor is longer than that of the Tamer, of which I have also had a couple. The Tamer is far too short for me (35" sleeves), but the Survivor, though still a bit short, works OK. For a pure hunting shotgun (or rifle) though, I'd definitely go with a conventional stock.