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Millions of Unemployed Face Years Without Jobs
« on: February 21, 2010, 11:34:24 AM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/21/business/economy/21unemployed.html?hp


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UENA PARK, Calif. — Even as the American economy shows tentative signs of a rebound, the human toll of the recession continues to mount, with millions of Americans remaining out of work, out of savings and nearing the end of their unemployment benefits.


“There are no bad jobs now. Any job is a good job,” said Jean Eisen, who became unemployed more than two years ago.


Articles in this series will examine the struggle to recover from the widespread strains of the Great Recession.


Economists fear that the nascent recovery will leave more people behind than in past recessions, failing to create jobs in sufficient numbers to absorb the record-setting ranks of the long-term unemployed.

Call them the new poor: people long accustomed to the comforts of middle-class life who are now relying on public assistance for the first time in their lives — potentially for years to come.

Yet the social safety net is already showing severe strains. Roughly 2.7 million jobless people will lose their unemployment check before the end of April unless Congress approves the Obama administration’s proposal to extend the payments, according to the Labor Department.

Here in Southern California, Jean Eisen has been without work since she lost her job selling beauty salon equipment more than two years ago. In the several months she has endured with neither a paycheck nor an unemployment check, she has relied on local food banks for her groceries.

She has learned to live without the prescription medications she is supposed to take for high blood pressure and cholesterol. She has become effusively religious — an unexpected turn for this onetime standup comic with X-rated material — finding in Christianity her only form of health insurance.

“I pray for healing,” says Ms. Eisen, 57. “When you’ve got nothing, you’ve got to go with what you know.”

Warm, outgoing and prone to the positive, Ms. Eisen has worked much of her life. Now, she is one of 6.3 million Americans who have been unemployed for six months or longer, the largest number since the government began keeping track in 1948. That is more than double the toll in the next-worst period, in the early 1980s.

Men have suffered the largest numbers of job losses in this recession. But Ms. Eisen has the unfortunate distinction of being among a group — women from 45 to 64 years of age — whose long-term unemployment rate has grown rapidly.

In 1983, after a deep recession, women in that range made up only 7 percent of those who had been out of work for six months or longer, according to the Labor Department. Last year, they made up 14 percent.

Twice, Ms. Eisen exhausted her unemployment benefits before her check was restored by a federal extension. Last week, her check ran out again. She and her husband now settle their bills with only his $1,595 monthly disability check. The rent on their apartment is $1,380.

“We’re looking at the very real possibility of being homeless,” she said.

Every downturn pushes some people out of the middle class before the economy resumes expanding. Most recover. Many prosper. But some economists worry that this time could be different. An unusual constellation of forces — some embedded in the modern-day economy, others unique to this wrenching recession — might make it especially difficult for those out of work to find their way back to their middle-class lives.

Labor experts say the economy needs 100,000 new jobs a month just to absorb entrants to the labor force. With more than 15 million people officially jobless, even a vigorous recovery is likely to leave an enormous number out of work for years.

Some labor experts note that severe economic downturns are generally followed by powerful expansions, suggesting that aggressive hiring will soon resume. But doubts remain about whether such hiring can last long enough to absorb anywhere close to the millions of unemployed.

A New Scarcity of Jobs

Some labor experts say the basic functioning of the American economy has changed in ways that make jobs scarce — particularly for older, less-educated people like Ms. Eisen, who has only a high school diploma.

Large companies are increasingly owned by institutional investors who crave swift profits, a feat often achieved by cutting payroll. The declining influence of unions has made it easier for employers to shift work to part-time and temporary employees. Factory work and even white-collar jobs have moved in recent years to low-cost countries in Asia and Latin America. Automation has helped manufacturing cut 5.6 million jobs since 2000 — the sort of jobs that once provided lower-skilled workers with middle-class paychecks.
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Re: Millions of Unemployed Face Years Without Jobs
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2010, 12:06:28 PM »
Round up all the illegal invaders of this country and send them back home. It will give some additional folks a job while the round up is under way and once it's done there will be more than enough jobs for all US Citizens who really want to work. The cure is quite simple it's just that the folks in charge do not want to fix the problem, why? Cuz THEY ARE THE PROBLEM!


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Re: Millions of Unemployed Face Years Without Jobs
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2010, 12:48:00 PM »
That would certainly be a good start GB.
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2010, 01:02:00 PM »
No need to "Round UP" anyone.  These people got here without out help so these people can got back without our help.  No need to find them just start placing BIG fines for anyone housing or hiring illegals.  Just offer large rewards to anyone reporting anyone hiring or housing illegals and soon this would end.
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2010, 01:25:55 PM »
the politicians will not let the benefits end they will use it to buy votes.The debt will be with us for many generations and may bankrupt the country.
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2010, 02:40:20 PM »
I am 100% with GB on this one people that really do want to work will have a job. The only problem i see is alot of folks think they are worth more than they are heck me included but with times the way they are right now take what you can get and thank GOD every day that you can at least pay the bills.

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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2010, 02:40:44 PM »
"“There are no bad jobs now. Any job is a good job,” said Jean Eisen, who became unemployed more than two years ago."

This is the sad truth.  Once unemployment benefits run out you have to take any job just to survive.  I know, I am one of them.  I took a $4.00/hr pay cut, lost my medical insurance, work an average of only 27 hrs/week and spend an average of 4 hours/day on the road.   I went from working days to working nights and hardly see my family because I am still asleep when they leave for work and school and they are asleep when I get in in the wee hours of the morning.  

I'm still waiting for my bailout check to arrive in the mail.... yeah right.    
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2010, 03:05:19 PM »
I was layed off/ out of work for over a year and took a 3.00 dollar a hour paycut before that to try and stay working. I ended up going back  to construction doing barracks remodeling on a military base for now, at a heavily reduced wage compared from what I was making. Hopefully the goverment doesnt stop spending money on that, otherwise I would really be in trouble.  Many of the guys that I know, haven't been as lucky ( I was traveling 1hr plus) for my previous job, Im still 30 minutes the other direction now, but at least Im working again.  One guy is now a cattleman on a huge farm, travels 2 hours 1 way, works 12-15 hrs then comes home to his family plus he only gets paid when cattle go to market (about once a month)

I was lucky and saw this comming, sold my truck, boats, and ditched all major unneccessary bills that I possibly could, only have phone, house payment, and electric (live in county) plus living expenses, we grow must of our own food (1/2 acre garden, chickens, pig,  and eat alot of deer meat. so our groceries are about 30.00 a week.
like I said, Im the lucky one....
Anyone that reads this, this won't be the last time this happens and you had better square yourself away. Grow a garden, can your food, and save what money you can...learn how to live on less, cause you probably will be..... Next year we are switching to heating with wood and the 500.00 it cost me for  natural gas  for the year will be gone.....
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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2010, 03:11:02 PM »
Wonder how all that HOPE & CHANGE is working out for them?

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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2010, 05:38:21 PM »
Well, after reading this article, I could give her some money advise. Move the hell out of Ca. Her husband makes over $16,000 a year in disability. Her rent is over $1300 a month. Give me a break. Ca. is so far out of wack with what they charge, and I'll bet half of it is in tax's. Here, in this part of Ohio, you can get a fairly nice apartment for around $400-$500 a month. Gives her and husband almost $1000 extra. Not sure where she buys her food, but being in Ca. her bread is probably $4 a loaf. Around here the save a lot and day old bakery's you can get bread and rolls for .50-.75 loaf. Do I feel sorry for her, ya, kinda, but improvise,adapt. Get the heck out of that money pit of Ca.  gypsyman
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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2010, 07:35:51 PM »
I lost my job over a year ago, 18.00 hr building maintenance. my wife and I luckly are almost debt free. after trying to get hired someplace for over a year, I quit trying. we moved into a smaller place with a large garage, I printed a few flyers, took out a small ad, and now pay my bills doing small engine repair. It was time for me to think out side the box. I dont know how long this new career will last but it is growing every day. Before this I sold firewood, cleaned fence rows, cleaned grain bins. I never turned down any kind of work, between that and my wifes 7.65 hr job we was getting by.

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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2010, 08:55:39 PM »
Thankful for the job I have that's for sure. Here's a new phenomena ... growing number of young military servicemembers are taking on the bills for their parents, adding them as dependents. I probably see one a week now that's got family losing a house, job, etc. They're so upset they want out to go home, they don't realize staying in means $ and medical for the family.
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Re: Millions of Unemployed Face Years Without Jobs
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2010, 11:43:12 PM »
yep i aggree greybeard.. then stop allowing corp. america to help china totally flood the
market with goods produced by people who are under an absolute control..
 our workers can t compete .. mabe tariff chinese goods to a point that goods produced here
can be sold as cheap..mabe something else would work :-\.
  but i do believe the countries job market needs to consist of a lot more manufacturing jobs ..
 this flood of wealth out of the country either by those working here an sending the money home,or
 buying goods made by a fella who is glad to get what ammounts to a fraction of what americans make,,[also he knows better than to not do what his gov t assignment is]
 has got the change..slim

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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2010, 03:33:10 AM »
mirage 1988 you are dead wrong buddy i have been a construction worker all my life from 7yr. old till now i have been in the concrete part of it yea i said 7 because i had to work for my brother in law to pay for my school clothes so i never had a fun summer like most kids but i would not change it for the world because it has made the person i am today.buy the way i have not had work for about 4 months now had to sell my truck to pay bills turned off hm. phone,tv,and gave up alot of other things and it really sucks when youre 6yr. old ask you why he cant watch cartoons on sat. thanks and GOD BLESS.

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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2010, 03:57:01 AM »
Bill is right.  Wareagleguy is wrong.  The illegals will never leave on their own.
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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2010, 05:23:40 AM »
The cure is quite simple it's just that the folks in charge do not want to fix the problem, why? Cuz THEY ARE THE PROBLEM!

I totally agree with this statement. Unfortunately they're all too busy fixing things that aren't broke to work on the broken stuff.
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« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2010, 03:55:27 PM »
i do believe the countries job market needs to consist of a lot more manufacturing jobs ..

amen! But dare I suggest that we not go into competition on the production of luxury and recreational items? How about we start with the basics like clothing, furniture, appliances ... things everyone needs and forget the wants for a bit. Because that's what we're buying from Asia.

Like most folks here, I've been working since I was big enough to pass for old enough, and I've had to eat humble pie and take that low paying job when I lost my much better salaried position. I've been on both sides of the hiring table, and paid my crews the best wages I could squeeze out of the contracts. Not all in management are heartless, and not all in labor are diligent. But I'd rather have a job, than not; and if I were able to, I'd rather hire two laborers than one and a union rep. To put us on a manufacturing economy again means we need to have a REALISTIC value of our own labor. When I hear the crews who clean up aircraft between flights make over $25 an hour, then I think we've got a disproportionate sense of self-worth.
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« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2010, 04:42:05 PM »
Here's my two cents.  I make a good living; however, it could end at any time.  If the end comes, what I won't do is sit around waiting for somebody to give me another comparable job.  I have 4 kids, and I can't afford to wait.  I am a middle level administrator and account manager with decades of experience and high level performance, by the Grace of God.  But.................

Tomorrow, I'll flip burgers, deliver pizza, mow lawns, lay tile, or whatever else gives me cash for the mortgage.  I'll also likely go back to school.  In 1 additional year of school I could have a second Bachelors degree in Nursing, which pays starting $44 per hour.  If I was a High School graduate I could have an RN license generating $25 per hour in 1 year, a BSN in 3.  I can out work and out think and out strategize most, and I like my chances.

My wife and I drive old cars, not because I couldn't make the payments on a new whizbang F250 crew cab with flip down high def TV, but because we'd rather have no car payment.  We wear Walmart clothes so we can save 20% of what I make, though my kids would prefer Abercrombie and Fitch.

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« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2010, 04:52:24 PM »
Good attitude skarke! its kinda like the one that built this country!

Too bad so many are waiting for someone to bail em out. They dont understand that there is a price to pay for being bailed out.

I truly hope you dont have to clean horse stalls ever, unless you buy a horse of course!
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« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2010, 05:38:58 PM »
I retired the end of the year, nine months early because the union has threatend to raise the retirement age several years. They had already cut the percentage I would get every month by over half but the same amount was being taken out of our check. They sent a letter out saying several hundred million had been lost out of our pension plan, but couldn't explane where it went. The greed of it all! I planed for retirement first when I was 40 I cut up my credit cards. Between then and now I paid off the house, truck, fifth wheel, car, boat, and even saved a little money. I'm not rich but I waited to pay cash and nothing was brand new or old. I was raised on the farm being very conservitive and I guess it payed off.
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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2010, 05:56:38 AM »
To put us on a manufacturing economy again means we need to have a REALISTIC value of our own labor. When I hear the crews who clean up aircraft between flights make over $25 an hour, then I think we've got a disproportionate sense of self-worth.

I would gladly trade places with them, but I doubt that they would want to strip and wax floors or run carpet steam cleaning equipment from 5:00 in the evening until 1:00 in the morning for $10/hr with no benefits.  Oh, and I have two college degrees so I am being "REALISTIC" about having any job right now.   
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« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2010, 02:06:20 PM »
If you think government heathcare would be too expensive just start rounding up all the illegals!!  We talking serious money folks!  If you cut off the money train the rats will leave.
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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2010, 04:29:57 PM »
Some of you have to also remember that a 10.00 a hour job doesnt even cover what one gets on UE. In wisconsin UE payments are 388.00 dollars a week. do the math thats almost 10.00 a hour, figure  after taxes and such on a 10.00 a hour job, take home would probably be in the low 300s a week. How many of you can live on that! Neither have insurance but a major medical policy is 130.00 a month for a family of four! So your bringing home 1300.00 a month and 10% of that is going to a insurance policy. Add in cost of travel to a job, packing a lunch, or buying food, not to mention the normal cost of living and lits not forget a house payment.

How many of you work more than one job? I have on and off for the past 10 years. 6 years in a small weld shop, 2 years of daytime construction after working a 3rd shift job.

I  have a degree in engineering as well. However, one point to consider is that yes the medical field does pay well currently, if health care is run by the goverment, the first place that is going to take a hit is the pay for your middle class health care providers IE:nurses, techinicans. Hopistals are not going to take a loss in their profits and Doctors aren't going to take a pay cut either.
Just food for thought
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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2010, 04:30:41 PM »
I do also support rounding up the illegals and shipping them home.......
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