I have a box of theser on the way, going to see what I can get them to do. The vel. in theHornady load data seems pretty mundane, will see how they work. Some of my buddies have had great succes with this factory 30-30 load, I have used the 45/70 325 gr. FTX to take 3 deer in one evening on a cull hunt here in KY, wicked bad to say the least. All feedback is appreciated.