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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2010, 01:37:00 AM »
Yep, count me in. Just bought another mold from Mountain Molds in 265 grains with a 93% meplat.
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2010, 04:40:31 AM »
Reed 1911, What powder do you run behind the Leadhead Keith?
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2010, 05:46:49 AM »
4227 for the full bore loads, Unique and tightgroup for the plinking loads.
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2010, 03:27:17 PM »
Cool, I have 4227 and Unique on hand, will give 'em a try. One more thing were the bullets gas checked?
Thanks for your time.
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #34 on: April 26, 2010, 01:58:18 AM »
No, the 230g Keith is a plain base with a 90 degree base not beveled
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #35 on: April 26, 2010, 02:31:47 AM »
Cool, I have 4227 and Unique on hand, will give 'em a try. One more thing were the bullets gas checked?
Thanks for your time.
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The aforementioned Powders are not Magnum Type powders and from what I have used of them in Magnum caliber guns they tend to be a Little dirty in Nature, and are not up to velocity to wring out the  True accuracy Potential of the .41 Magnum round. I would suggest trying some 2400 Magnum Powder. It has been widely used in Magnum calibers, along with caliber's Pushed harder like the High velocity .38 Special round for the large-N-framer S&W Heavy duty's and Outdoorsman revolvers, The .357 Magnum, .44 Magnum  as well as the .22 Hornet rifle round. I recently learned that Hodgen's Powder called HS-6 is a fine Target Paper Puncher Powder that Burns much cleaner than Unique & 4227. I hope this helps, Hammerdown
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2010, 03:52:57 PM »
What about Universal? I've heard that it is almost a 1to1 swap with Unique, not that I would not work the load up slowly. My Redhawk likes 17 grains of 2400 behind the 210 gr. XTP. Have taken several white tails and a smallish hog or two with that combo. I really appreicate the info, I'm always lookin to improve my knowledge base :)
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2010, 05:29:01 PM »
I've used most of everything mentioned. I'm presently playing with WC820 mil-surp ball powder and liking it. I have loved W296 with mag primers for all my heavy loads, having used IMR4227, lots of 2400, BlueDot, Herco and Unique in the last 30 years with the 41mag. Not all the cleanest burning powders available, but I wipe them out every 10 years or so. ;) That W296 doesn't leave much behind. :)
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2010, 03:26:22 AM »
Like I said im not a big fan but ive owned a number of them through the years. If you love the 41 buy yourself a 250 lfngc lbt mold. that bullet is hands down the best shooting hunting bullet ive found in about any 41.
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #39 on: April 29, 2010, 04:03:07 AM »
bkraft, Titegroup looks more like black powder as it is ignited(sizable black cloud), at least in my 500.
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2010, 03:33:44 PM »
Hello
I have had this S&W Model 57 for a while now. It is one of my Favorites. This Thread is Worthless without Pictures, let's see some 41's here... Hammerdown


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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #41 on: May 18, 2011, 06:26:59 PM »
Rutin2tin,
That is a nice looking combo!
What type of holster is that?
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #42 on: May 18, 2011, 06:30:07 PM »
streak. five will get you ten it's a Bianchi 5BHL?
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #43 on: May 30, 2011, 05:30:27 AM »
Well i'm new to the 41mag but always wanted one for well over 39 years....    I went to purchase a new springfield armory 1911 loaded in 45acp and seen the new S&W model 57's in 41mag in nickel finish for $699.  I know these are a $1,161 list.  I stopped short and bought the 6 1/2"  barreled model 57 S&W first.($699) Then the next month I went back and got the S&W model 58 in 41mag w/4'' barrel in nickel too its my new ccw gun.

I just shot the model 58 in 41mag.  It has a tad more bark and recoil than a 357mg yet calmer to shoot than a 44mag just a tad.  I notice my redhawk in 44mag with the 5 1/2'' barrel has way more recoil and jump over my 41mag S&W with the 4'' barrel.  To me i'm getting old maybe but the 5 1/2'' barreled 44mag with my stout loads are seeming a little uncomfortable to shoot at the range.  This is why i'm loading more leadcast bullets over the jacketed to shoot at the range. I still like my 44mags but there's a spot for the 41mag too.  There are shooterswho want more power than there 357mag yet don't like the 44mag's recoil.  The 41mag fills in this nitch perfectly.  I like it. Being new yet used to the 44mag for most of my gun life I can see the difference between the 41mag and the 44mag.

The 41mag with the 210gr JHP bullets has about 800ft.lbs. of energy.  This is the federal ammo i believe and the Cor-Bon ammo is even higher.  It should beable to stop anything on two or four legs. I'd walk thru hell with my 41mag.

Sometimes using a reload is questionable so i used the wet sand test in the past to check the bullets performance.  If i'm going to put my life on the line even with a critter on the ground i like to see what my reload can do.  I've seen many bullets seperate from there jackets and go into a large piece of shrapnel.  This tells me there loaded and the preformance is right.  I did this with my '06 and let my brother use them in his '06 too.  They preformed very well in a bear too the sameway they did in the sand test.  The neck shot shrapnel cut all the arteries and the bear dropped on the spot.  From then on i can trust my reloads.  I do not lower the powder charge on the jacketed bullets.  The jackets need speed to preform. My thoughts anyway. I'm not built for runnin nor speed.

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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2011, 12:44:21 PM »
OK Hammerdown, but it's embarrassing posting an image of one of my guns in the same thread as yours! Mine is a used 57 (no dash) that told me it needed a new home, and would shoot great if I gave him a chance. It became my backwoods/travel gun. I kept the rubber grips that were on it, and put night sights on it. I still plan to put some nice grips on it someday.

Shotgunner, I don't reload, and of all the factory loads I have put through my 57, the Winchester 240 gr PlatinumTip HPs  have given me the smallest groups.
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2011, 02:07:41 PM »
You have no reason to feel ashamed Griz. If it makes you feel any better, I will post pics of my old raggedy outfit. The walnut grips ain't purdy, but they feel good in my hand. Not the fanciest leather either!   ;D
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #46 on: July 18, 2011, 02:09:15 AM »
OK Hammerdown, but it's embarrassing posting an image of one of my guns in the same thread as yours! Mine is a used 57 (no dash) that told me it needed a new home, and would shoot great if I gave him a chance. It became my backwoods/travel gun. I kept the rubber grips that were on it, and put night sights on it. I still plan to put some nice grips on it someday.

Shotgunner, I don't reload, and of all the factory loads I have put through my 57, the Winchester 240 gr PlatinumTip HPs  have given me the smallest groups.

 
 
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2011, 05:49:03 PM »
Love the 41.  I have a Bisley 41, originally 7.5", shortened 2". Also have a S&W 57 in 8 3/8" bbl, a Hunter in 6.5" bbl, and a Contender 10" bbl. I Love them all.  I shoot mostly cast 220 gr in front of 10gr Unique.   Wallacem in Ga.

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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #48 on: September 08, 2011, 01:25:37 AM »
Now a 5 shot 41 mag on a Smith L frame, without the full lug barrel would be the ticket.  Smaller and easier to pack the an N frame, 357 size with close to 44 mag power.  If your going to pack an N frame, might as well go with the larger diameter .44 slug, especially when using hard cast.
 
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #49 on: September 08, 2011, 05:57:37 AM »
HUMMMM--if we all fell in love with the same woman.
I will admit to being a newby when it comes to S&W's--not to revolvers.
I bought a .41 mag in May---4 incher in a "N" frame. It is ported with "worm hole " ports.
I have shot it side by side--day before yesterday--with a .44 mag---thinking I just had to have a .44 and forgetting how much I did not enjoy shooting it--The .41 suites me to a "T"---it is fun, controllable and powerful.
The .44 is just not fun for "ME" to shoot.
I am going to break out the reloader again for the .41 and am looking for a universal powder for it, the .357, 9x23 and super .38 (if such a thing exists).
I think the .41 will do everything I need if loaded correctly---which may include some hogs.
Now, I am considering a 5/6 incher too add to the family---"N" frame, of course.
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #50 on: September 08, 2011, 09:16:37 AM »
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I haven't experimented with every powder out there and haven't experimented for years.
I settled on W-231 for light to moderate .41mag loads, standard .45Colt, .38Special, .357 light loads and .45acp.
It burns cleaner than others and is pretty consistant in ignition with a fairly broad range of velocity applications for a 'fast' burning powder. I get 1150fps with the .41 and a 215gr cast bullet, out of a 5.5" barrel. It's not as light as one could go with this combo, nor as hot. It is just where the accuracy was best and makes for a great general purpose load that I shoot the most.
 
For hot .41mag loads, I have always used H-110. And it has a good reputation in the .357.
Although I think Lil' Gun is worth a look for this application.
 
I like to keep things simple and these two powders have made that possible for me.
If I had to settle for one powder, it would be W-231 because it takes care of all my handguns for what I use them for most. Elk hunting and Grizzly bears is another story..............H-110.
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #51 on: September 08, 2011, 10:17:03 PM »
The more I think about this the more I see me looking thru rose colored glasses.
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #52 on: September 09, 2011, 08:12:16 PM »
I use H110 /ww296 and 4227 for my heaviest loads but burn a lot more Unique in practice loads. 2400 works well too but won't get as fast as H110.
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #53 on: September 10, 2011, 04:13:47 AM »
I use H110 /ww296 and 4227 for my heaviest loads but burn a lot more Unique in practice loads. 2400 works well too but won't get as fast as H110.

How do you measure these velocities? Do you have a personal preference for one brand of chronograph?
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #54 on: September 10, 2011, 04:50:40 AM »
I am not speaking for Dand-+- I don't have a chrono. Mine method is purely sbjective/feel. I have tried a few different powders--using the books as a speed/fps guide and feeling the differences.
I said it was a purely subjective method.
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #55 on: September 27, 2011, 07:17:38 AM »
Rutin2tin,
That is a nice looking combo!
What type of holster is that?

Sorry for the tardy reply Streak,....I'm usually on the road  from late May until Sept, or early Oct.

The holster for the Smith model 657 is a Bianchi 5BHL, left hand, and it's paired with a rt handed 5BHL filled with My 629 Smith.

I generally do everything in pairs.  8)

BTW, here's My latest .41 maggie, a model 57 with 8-3/8" barrel, and I've scored an "as new" Safariland model 25, right handed, basketweave holster for the long barrel.
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #56 on: September 27, 2011, 07:30:41 AM »
HUMMMM--if we all fell in love with the same woman.
I will admit to being a newby when it comes to S&W's--not to revolvers.
I bought a .41 mag in May---4 incher in a "N" frame. It is ported with "worm hole " ports.
I have shot it side by side--day before yesterday--with a .44 mag---thinking I just had to have a .44 and forgetting how much I did not enjoy shooting it--The .41 suites me to a "T"---it is fun, controllable and powerful.
The .44 is just not fun for "ME" to shoot.
I am going to break out the reloader again for the .41 and am looking for a universal powder for it, the .357, 9x23 and super .38 (if such a thing exists).
I think the .41 will do everything I need if loaded correctly---which may include some hogs.
Now, I am considering a 5/6 incher too add to the family---"N" frame, of course.
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I've used Hercules, now Alliant "Blue Dot" powder for years to load magnum cartridges, such as the .41 mag, .44 mag, and .357 mag.
It's got a wide range of usage from mid-range loads to hotter than hades loadings, plus, it is one of the cleanest burning powders, hands down.

Standard primers ignite Blue Dot ultra reliably, and it's not affected by temperature extremes the way H-110 or W-W 296 are affected.
Rounding out the case for Blue Dot powder, the charge weights are generally less than other magnum powders, which means, more bounce per ounce, and that's money saved.  8)

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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #57 on: September 27, 2011, 09:29:17 AM »
Here is a warning from Alliant about Blue Dot via loaddata.com.
 
Update: Alliant Powder Company does not recommend Blue Dot in the .41 Magnum for any bullet weights. Their new tests on recent powder samples have shown high pressure spikes that can damage personal property or injure you. For this reason we removed all Blue Dot data from .41 magnum tables.
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Alliant does not list BD in their load recomendations.
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Alliant Powder periodically reviews and tests their published reloading data to verify that our recommended recipes have not changed over time.
 During the latest review Alliant Powder discovered that Alliant Powder's Blue Dot® should not be used in the following applications:

Blue Dot® should NOT be used in the 357 Magnum load using the 125 grain projectile (Blue Dot® recipes with heavier bullet weights as specified in Alliant Powders Reloading Guide are acceptable for use).
Blue Dot® should NOT be used in the 41 Magnum cartridge (all bullet weights).
Use of Blue Dot® in the above cases may cause a high pressure situation that could cause property damage and serious personal injury.

We apologize for any inconvenience that this may cause and appreciate your understanding and cooperation in this matter.
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My own experience with BD when I first started loading the .41, (26yrs ago), my results were dismal and erradic. I wound up thowing away most of the can and switched to W-231.
I know some still use and endorse it, but, I thought it prudent to post the warnings. There is more online about the issue too.
 
BTW, High presure problems with W-296 and H-110 are only due to maximum loads being used in hot ambient temps in the 90 degree + range. That is an issue that goes far beyond those two powders. Any high presure load will increase in presure in hot climate temperatures.
When pushing the limit, it is best to work up the hottest loads in hot temps so that in hot temps you don't blow your gun up. As opposed to working them up in cooler temps which will allow you to use more powder.
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #58 on: September 27, 2011, 02:19:08 PM »
Never ever once had any problems with Blue Dot powder, and that is over some 40 years of usage, and currently as well.
Sounds like the mid to late '70's Bullseye powder issues. They traced it to overcharging cartridges, while using a progressive loading press.
A handful of shooters blew up their revolvers, and blamed the powder for erratic pressures, when it was actually errant loading practices at fault.

Matter of fact, Blue Dot always provided the most stable velocities and least flattened primers, which is generally due to a lower pressure.

I use single stage equipment, and my powder charges are physically examined 50 rounds at a time.
That is likely a major reason for my reloading success, I am very careful and capable.

H-110 and W-W 296 never had erratic pressure issues in hot weather, rather it was widely publicized by W-W in their reloading data back in the late 70's, not to use W-W 296 in temperatures below 36 degrees.
H-110 and W-W 296 are both the same exact powder, and manufactured by the only Ball Powder plant in the USA, and it is neither Hogdon Powder, nor Winchester who manufactures that ball powder.

At this point, I can no longer recommend that anyone use Alliant Blue Dot, but since I've never had issues with it, I'm not about to dispose of a few thousand hand loaded cartridges.
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Re: How many 41 mag fans are out there?
« Reply #59 on: September 27, 2011, 02:36:25 PM »
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Interesting about not using those powders below 36 degrees. I never heard of it. What is the effect on the powder or ammo that raises concerns?
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