Author Topic: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !  (Read 17035 times)

0 Members and 11 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline lance

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1249
  • Gender: Male
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2010, 02:42:26 PM »
GGaskill, with all the stuff i've done, including stuffing horse apples in Dom's excellent mortar, i'm hoping it's not a thumping contest :)

Ex49'er, Thanks, i just couldn't slap paint on that oak.

Tim and Dale, a Green sounds great, reckon all this snow will melt by then.

Terry, i still have the aiming pumpkin from the last mortar bingo.

Dom, i'll bring the 3 that i got from you, Tim made me do the horse apple thing.

Mike and Tracy, I was thinking about the Walk the Walk mortar contest, but we can also do the Mortar Bingo. If you're doing the log splitting contest, reckon you guys could talk Rickk into bringing some logs down here.
PALADIN had a gun.....I have guns, mortars, and cannons!

Offline Cat Whisperer

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7493
  • Gender: Male
  • Pulaski Coehorn Works
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2010, 04:18:32 PM »
Dom - it will indeed be a pleasure meeting you!

"How about a log splitting contest?"   Great idea!  Two forms, one with projectiles and one with a "powder wedge".

The plot thickens.

 ;D
Tim K                 www.GBOCANNONS.COM
Cat Whisperer
Chief of Smoke, Pulaski Coehorn Works & Winery
U.S.Army Retired
N 37.05224  W 80.78133 (front door +/- 15 feet)

Offline lance

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1249
  • Gender: Male
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2010, 09:49:15 AM »
The plot thickens??? does that mean i have to think of something to write?
PALADIN had a gun.....I have guns, mortars, and cannons!

Offline lance

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1249
  • Gender: Male
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2010, 01:37:29 PM »
Well since we are putting ideas around for things to do at the shoot, i think Mike and Tracy should do some of what is in this picture:
PALADIN had a gun.....I have guns, mortars, and cannons!

Offline seacoastartillery

  • GBO Sponsor
  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2853
  • Gender: Male
    • seacoastartillery.com
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2010, 04:45:40 PM »
     Looks like you are showing an old, 1860s or 1870s photo of the Washington Navy Yard test targets, Lance.  We gained some familiarity with such things when we visited that historical institution in 2006 and saw several plates, including the 6" thick wrought iron plate that a 15" Dahlgren Gun penetrated during Civil War testing.  We used one of our photos we took of them as our Avatar as everyone has already noticed.  So, you want some big bangs and flying steel shards, eh?  It's a fairly dangerous activity, Lance and all the participants need effective cover when you do that kind of experiment, we mean sands bags or concrete, not a corregated steel shed.  We will think about it, but everyone can see what we mean by dangerous when they look at the following pics pulled from our web site and a previous 2007 GBO thread.  The golf idea is a very good one and if everybody used golf balls, it would be fair too.  Log splitting is fun!!  Milk jugs full of snap-line chalk or water are fun too.

We had 7,600 Lbs of Detroit Iron for cover when we did these experiments and we drove the Suburban home without any holes at day's end.

Mike and Tracy

We started on the ground with U-Channel targets.



.407" of mild steel penetrated by a 12L14 Parrott bolt at 1250 fps propelled by 400 grs. BP.




Then we got serious with the Ironclad Penetration tests of 2006.  Charge was up to 500 grains, velocity 1,400fps and bolts weighed 5.5 oz to 14 oz.  Some penetrated, some didn't.




5.5 oz bolt at 1,500fps went .690" deep in a .750" boiler plate.  Nice crater.




7oz bolt with old gage-pin penetrator holed a .500" plate.




1/6 scale 7" Brooke Rifle bolt penetrates a 1" thick boiler plate with a 9oz hardened S-7 steel bolt at 1,700fps.  The piece behind the plate on the dirt is the plug of plate punched out by the bolt that went .950" into the 1.000" plate.  We conducted this test 2 feet underground.

Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

Offline carronader

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • A Real Regular
  • *****
  • Posts: 561
  • Gender: Male
  • What? me worry.
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2010, 12:47:40 AM »
Damn good post M&T,    interesting.......enjoyable.......and a healthy reminder.......cannons are not toys.
Scottish by birth and by heart.

Offline Cat Whisperer

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7493
  • Gender: Male
  • Pulaski Coehorn Works
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2010, 03:01:46 AM »
Damn good post M&T,    interesting.......enjoyable.......and a healthy reminder.......cannons are not toys.


YUP, and sometimes good for 'serious social purposes'.

Tim K                 www.GBOCANNONS.COM
Cat Whisperer
Chief of Smoke, Pulaski Coehorn Works & Winery
U.S.Army Retired
N 37.05224  W 80.78133 (front door +/- 15 feet)

Offline lance

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1249
  • Gender: Male
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2010, 09:01:35 AM »
Mike and Tracy, i thought you would enjoy that picture- Washington Navy Yard,Independence Day 1866.
PALADIN had a gun.....I have guns, mortars, and cannons!

Offline seacoastartillery

  • GBO Sponsor
  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2853
  • Gender: Male
    • seacoastartillery.com
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2010, 08:05:57 PM »
     Thanks Carronader; every once in a while it's a good idea to think hard about what you are doing as you pursue this hobby.  That little bit of reflection may just save your life.  As you so correctly stated, "Cannons are not toys."  With this hobby you should 'walk the walk' every time you drag those cannons, powder and shot to the range.  You'll come back with all your parts attached that way, which is good.

     Lance, Mike and I love those old photos, and the Washington Navy Yard is such a neat place to visit.  There's one heck of a lot of Confederate artillery there, the big stuff, mostly naval and some seacoast guns too.

Serious social purposes, indeed.

Mike and Tracy
Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

Offline KABAR2

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2830
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2010, 08:39:34 AM »
Another aspect of that photo is all that timber air drying under that roof
some of it might be for ship repair some for carriage work........
Mr president I do not cling to either my gun or my Bible.... my gun is holstered on my side so I may carry my Bible and quote from it!

Sed tamen sal petrae LURO VOPO CAN UTRIET sulphuris; et sic facies tonituum et coruscationem si scias artficium

Offline lance

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1249
  • Gender: Male
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2010, 03:01:11 PM »
Here's another idea, how many folks coming to this event, plan to wear a uniform? Here's a picture of one of my heros, and yes history buffs it's real.
PALADIN had a gun.....I have guns, mortars, and cannons!

Offline Cat Whisperer

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7493
  • Gender: Male
  • Pulaski Coehorn Works
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #41 on: March 02, 2010, 03:16:43 PM »
Hmmm.  Are you coming dressed as GW?   ;)

There are a few folks that have 'em.  Bring 'em/wear 'em if ya got 'em!

Dale and I are inviting a bunch.

Likely we'll have a morning session, lunch and an early afternoon session of shooting.

Working on motel lists and other activities in the area (blue grass, wineries and such).

Tim K                 www.GBOCANNONS.COM
Cat Whisperer
Chief of Smoke, Pulaski Coehorn Works & Winery
U.S.Army Retired
N 37.05224  W 80.78133 (front door +/- 15 feet)

Offline lance

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1249
  • Gender: Male
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #42 on: March 02, 2010, 03:33:22 PM »
Hmmm. well you know i like my sun glasses ;)

Will Darlene have cookies in addition to the lunch?
PALADIN had a gun.....I have guns, mortars, and cannons!

Offline Cat Whisperer

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7493
  • Gender: Male
  • Pulaski Coehorn Works
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #43 on: March 02, 2010, 03:56:24 PM »
Hmmm. well you know i like my sun glasses ;)

Will Darlene have cookies in addition to the lunch?


It's TRADITION! 
Tim K                 www.GBOCANNONS.COM
Cat Whisperer
Chief of Smoke, Pulaski Coehorn Works & Winery
U.S.Army Retired
N 37.05224  W 80.78133 (front door +/- 15 feet)

Offline carronader

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • A Real Regular
  • *****
  • Posts: 561
  • Gender: Male
  • What? me worry.
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2010, 02:53:30 AM »
what do you lot know about Tradition ?   and who's this George Washington guy ?
Scottish by birth and by heart.

Offline KABAR2

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2830
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2010, 08:37:12 AM »
what do you lot know about Tradition ?   and who's this George Washington guy ?

Just a Colonial who had enough and after years of hardship kicked the lobsterbacks across the pond.....

We call him the Father of our Country, He even has his image carved into a mountain.  
Mr president I do not cling to either my gun or my Bible.... my gun is holstered on my side so I may carry my Bible and quote from it!

Sed tamen sal petrae LURO VOPO CAN UTRIET sulphuris; et sic facies tonituum et coruscationem si scias artficium

Offline lance

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1249
  • Gender: Male
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #46 on: March 03, 2010, 02:24:36 PM »
Hmmm. well you know i like my sun glasses ;)

Will Darlene have cookies in addition to the lunch?


It's TRADITION! 
Good, i like her cookies.
PALADIN had a gun.....I have guns, mortars, and cannons!

Offline lance

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1249
  • Gender: Male
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #47 on: March 03, 2010, 02:29:29 PM »
what do you lot know about Tradition ?   and who's this George Washington guy ?
Do you always wear a Kilt when you write?
PALADIN had a gun.....I have guns, mortars, and cannons!

Offline Cat Whisperer

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7493
  • Gender: Male
  • Pulaski Coehorn Works
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #48 on: March 03, 2010, 02:45:33 PM »
what do you lot know about Tradition ?   and who's this George Washington guy ?

Ahhhh, tradition.

The 1" mould and Darlene's cookies:

Tim K                 www.GBOCANNONS.COM
Cat Whisperer
Chief of Smoke, Pulaski Coehorn Works & Winery
U.S.Army Retired
N 37.05224  W 80.78133 (front door +/- 15 feet)

Offline RocklockI

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2747
  • Gender: Male
  • Morko and Me
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #49 on: March 03, 2010, 03:08:51 PM »
Catwhisp that is an awsome mold ....(i'm sure the cookies are good too)

Do they upset to grab the rifling ?

Gary

"I've seen too much not to stay in touch , With a world full of love and luck, I got a big suspicion 'bout ammunition I never forget to duck" J.B.

Offline lance

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1249
  • Gender: Male
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #50 on: March 03, 2010, 03:20:08 PM »


Do they upset to grab the rifling ?

Gary


Gary, that was an experimental project for my 1" smooth bore Dahlgren.
PALADIN had a gun.....I have guns, mortars, and cannons!

Offline Cat Whisperer

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7493
  • Gender: Male
  • Pulaski Coehorn Works
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #51 on: March 03, 2010, 03:25:38 PM »
...
Do they upset to grab the rifling ?

Gary

No but they stick to one's ribs!   ;D
Tim K                 www.GBOCANNONS.COM
Cat Whisperer
Chief of Smoke, Pulaski Coehorn Works & Winery
U.S.Army Retired
N 37.05224  W 80.78133 (front door +/- 15 feet)

Offline RocklockI

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2747
  • Gender: Male
  • Morko and Me
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #52 on: March 03, 2010, 03:41:17 PM »


Do they upset to grab the rifling ?

Gary


Gary, that was an experimental project for my 1" smooth bore Dahlgren.

how did they work ?
"I've seen too much not to stay in touch , With a world full of love and luck, I got a big suspicion 'bout ammunition I never forget to duck" J.B.

Offline lance

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1249
  • Gender: Male
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #53 on: March 03, 2010, 03:54:29 PM »


Do they upset to grab the rifling ?

Gary


Gary, that was an experimental project for my 1" smooth bore Dahlgren.

how did they work ?
The 1" Dahlgren has yet to be tested, but the cookies are long gone ;D
PALADIN had a gun.....I have guns, mortars, and cannons!

Offline Ex 49'er

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (8)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1975
  • Gender: Male
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #54 on: March 03, 2010, 06:12:13 PM »
That mould looks like it cast a great looking slug. How much does the bullet weigh? Exactly 1 inch?
When you're walking on eggs; don't hop!!

Offline lance

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1249
  • Gender: Male
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #55 on: March 04, 2010, 02:59:45 PM »
Tim(CW), let me ask you a public question or two or more. Why did you want me to come back to the board? What good do i do here? Do people really want me here, and if, why do they want me here.
PALADIN had a gun.....I have guns, mortars, and cannons!

Offline Cat Whisperer

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7493
  • Gender: Male
  • Pulaski Coehorn Works
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #56 on: March 04, 2010, 03:12:59 PM »
Lance -

Here are two reasons:
a) I consider you my friend and respect you deeply.
b) You add a lot to our discussions.
c) Many others on the board feel the same way.

Ok, so I can't count.

Tim K                 www.GBOCANNONS.COM
Cat Whisperer
Chief of Smoke, Pulaski Coehorn Works & Winery
U.S.Army Retired
N 37.05224  W 80.78133 (front door +/- 15 feet)

Offline KABAR2

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2830
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #57 on: March 04, 2010, 03:53:02 PM »
Lance,

When I first came here we had some good discussions & you have been missed

do not sell yourself short my friend, your input is valued and weather you like

it or not we've gotten used to having you around again. If I can make it up

there this year if the offer from way back when for me to help out still stands

I will do what I am able.  I remember your town, Carol & I had been up there for a bluegrass

festival some years back she really loved that area and I am looking forward to coming

back. 

Allen <>< 
Mr president I do not cling to either my gun or my Bible.... my gun is holstered on my side so I may carry my Bible and quote from it!

Sed tamen sal petrae LURO VOPO CAN UTRIET sulphuris; et sic facies tonituum et coruscationem si scias artficium

Offline lance

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1249
  • Gender: Male
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #58 on: March 04, 2010, 04:11:17 PM »
Thank You.
I'll think this over, and try and start making comments on everyone's topics. I have way more books than cannons and mortars, and i know i write some stupid things, but i'm not stupid. I do have a vast knowledge, i just don't always use it. I'm always willing to help anyway i can, and will probably still do silly things in the future- that's not saying everything i do is silly. Good night for now.
PALADIN had a gun.....I have guns, mortars, and cannons!

Offline Double D

  • Trade Count: (3)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12607
  • SAMCC cannon by Brooks-USA
    • South African Miniature Cannon Club
Re: The 3rd Almost Annual New River Valley Mortar and Cannon Shoot !
« Reply #59 on: March 04, 2010, 04:44:15 PM »
Lance,

Your projects inspire me!!! Stay put!

The historical discussions  are not really my thing. I find them interesting but am not knowledgeable enough to participate in them.  Others do have a greater interest in those type things.  The board is like a giant patch work quilt, a lot diversity with the the common theme of blackpowder mortars and cannons.

Your input is valued by all.