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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2010, 01:19:47 AM »
It is also a military styled assult rifle.
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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2010, 03:35:00 AM »
Hey swampy wincester model 70s and remington model 700s are copies of military weapons also,  so what.
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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2010, 06:10:34 AM »
Hey swampy wincester model 70s and remington model 700s are copies of military weapons also,  so what.

just WW1   assault rifles

whats  wrong  with  assaulting  a deer anyway??
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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2010, 07:20:33 AM »
It is also a military styled assult rifle.

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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2010, 07:50:21 AM »
Lets not forget those terrible assault cap and ball revolvers the cavalry used in the civil war. Some would even carry preloaded spare cylinders.
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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2010, 08:45:52 AM »
Lets not forget those terrible assault cap and ball revolvers the cavalry used in the civil war. Some would even carry preloaded spare cylinders.

those  spare cylinders......the  man is obviously  looking  for trouble
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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2010, 08:59:11 AM »
Lets not forget those terrible assault cap and ball revolvers the cavalry used in the civil war. Some would even carry preloaded spare cylinders.

those  spare cylinders......the  man is obviously  looking  for trouble

They could have no sporting use what so ever, only be for killing and maiming large numbers of folks.
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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2010, 09:19:00 AM »
Lets not forget those terrible assault cap and ball revolvers the cavalry used in the civil war. Some would even carry preloaded spare cylinders.

those  spare cylinders......the  man is obviously  looking  for trouble

They could have no sporting use what so ever, only be for killing and maiming large numbers of folks.


they  were  used  by out laws  like  jose whales
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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2010, 12:12:54 PM »
Check the Volquartzen website.
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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2010, 12:21:11 PM »
Check the Volquartzen website.


I have looked at that one before, ahh, if money grew on a Hackaberry tree.
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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2010, 03:01:53 PM »
Assualt rifles have several sporting uses.  High Power Matches are one of them.  There are also some 3 gun matches that they are suitable for..
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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2010, 03:04:57 PM »
Assualt rifles have several sporting uses.  High Power Matches are one of them.  There are also some 3 gun matches that they are suitable for..

And they are sporting rifles. You and Pelosi can use the term "Assualt Rifles", but if they are Assualt rifles then so is the 1903A3
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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2010, 05:45:32 PM »
.....and muskets!  Must'nt forget muskets....they are assault rifles...if they weren't...the damn fools at the Massachusetts State House, Hall of Flags wouldn't have orange trigger locks on the revolutionary war muskets in the sealed display cases...least last time I checked......
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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2010, 05:49:37 PM »
.....and muskets!  Must'nt forget muskets....they are assault rifles...if they weren't...the damn fools at the Massachusetts State House, Hall of Flags wouldn't have orange trigger locks on the revolutionary war muskets in the sealed display cases...least last time I checked......

I bet if loaded with buck and ball they would have to be registered as a destructive device.
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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2010, 04:21:22 PM »
.....and muskets!  Must'nt forget muskets....they are assault rifles...if they weren't...the damn fools at the Massachusetts State House, Hall of Flags wouldn't have orange trigger locks on the revolutionary war muskets in the sealed display cases...least last time I checked......
I think that is very smart of them.  Look what happened to the British when they oppressed us and they didn't require trigger locks on assault muskets, the guns were used against them.  The Mass. authorities just don't want them used against the oppressors again.  Once an assault gun, always an assault gun!

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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2010, 07:05:03 PM »
I have two Mini-14s, both are Ranch Rifles.  One is from Rugers first run back in 1983 or 84.  It is actually the best shooter of the two.  The second one is stainless and I bought it new in 2003.  I can hit a 4" clay target out to 300 yards with both so I am happy.  I carry them on the handlebars of my snow machine so they are easy to reach and get into action fast.  They have accounted for many Foxes, Coyotes, and a few Wolves.  I also carry an H&R .223 for long shots where I can take my time.
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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #46 on: April 20, 2010, 06:55:26 PM »
The Volquartzen Evolution is the only one that I know of that isn't based on a military action.  Based on the accuracy test I've seen it's scary accurate as well.  It is far from economical though.  Economical went out the window with the last election when the AR prices went nuts.

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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #47 on: May 28, 2010, 09:44:13 PM »
There are a couple folks out there making .223 hunting guns. You just are hung up on what they look like!  Remington makes their AR platform in camo. Modern Rifles on Sportsman Channel just shot a 2000 Lbs Bison w/ an AR platform in .338 Federal, a one shot kill!  I've taken multiple deer w/ a Kel-Tec SU16C in .223.  A hunting gun is "WHAT YOU HUNT WITH".  The more us hunters use modern rifles the less the liberals can say the weapons are "assault rifles with no sporting value".  If it shoots bullet, you can hunt with it.

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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #48 on: June 23, 2010, 12:19:08 PM »
The Mini 14 was made to look like an M1, so it is a military looking rifle, the same go's for any lever action, Mauser clone,"which most bolt actions are" and I guess every other gun. You also have to throw out the knife, spear, club, rock, ect.............

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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #49 on: August 08, 2010, 04:43:21 PM »
There are a couple folks out there making .223 hunting guns. You just are hung up on what they look like!  Remington makes their AR platform in camo. Modern Rifles on Sportsman Channel just shot a 2000 Lbs Bison w/ an AR platform in .338 Federal, a one shot kill!  I've taken multiple deer w/ a Kel-Tec SU16C in .223.  A hunting gun is "WHAT YOU HUNT WITH".  The more us hunters use modern rifles the less the liberals can say the weapons are "assault rifles with no sporting value".  If it shoots bullet, you can hunt with it.

You are partially right, I don't like the way they look OR feel. And I especially don't like the inflated price made possible by high demand!. I don't have a problem with what you like or hunt with. With the popularity of the .223, someone should jump on an accurate semi-auto rifle for around $450. Anything in .223 seems to sell. Who is making .223 SA hunting guns?

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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #50 on: August 10, 2010, 11:19:08 AM »
ba_50, I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish, exactly.  If you're looking for a current production semi-auto rifle that doesn't have military roots, you'll have no more luck with that than finding a bolt-action rifle that doesn't have military roots.

Is it the military roots that bother you?  I know you've said you didn't like the way the AR series feels.  That's fine.  But you've shot down or ignored other suggestions, too.

The Mini-14 has been mentioned.  Yes, Bill Ruger patterned it after the M-14 (which was patterned after the M1 Garand).  So what?  With a factory 5-round magazine in it, it looks as innocuous as any other firearm.  And as for accuracy, a couple of cheap mods (changing the gas bushing and gapping the gas block correctly) to the Ranch Rifle can improve its accuracy significantly, on top of the fact that the newer ones seem to be getting relatively good reports for accuracy anyway.

A couple of people have mentioned the Kel-Tec SU-16.  The only thing that comes close to making it a "military style assault rifle" (a stupid, commie pinko liberal whine bag phrase that gun owners should refuse to use on general principle anyway) is the fact that it takes M-16/AR-15 magazines.

If I understand correctly, you want an "affordable, semi-auto, eats .223 Remington, and doesn't look like a scary military gun".  If the Mini-14 with a wood stock and a 5-round magazine or a Kel-Tec SU-16 look too much like a scary military gun, you don't really have any other options. 

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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #51 on: August 13, 2010, 11:00:05 AM »
If you are looking for a Remington 742-74-7400-750 in .223, save the effort.  Only some of the pump action 760 variations were offered in .223 some years back, not the auto loader. 

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« Reply #52 on: August 15, 2010, 12:11:46 PM »
I wasn't sure and didn't have time to both post and check for .223 chambered 742/7400s. 

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« Reply #53 on: August 16, 2010, 08:38:04 PM »
To expand on the Kel-Tec SU-16C post I made earlier. Mine carries the Tactical forend/Rail  so I could mount a light and hand grip when I carried it on duty as a patrol rifle. The sight is a Bushnell Holosight with the same 1-moa dot reticle as the Eotec. The favorite load for this rifle is WW Ranger LE ammo, 60gr. Nosler Partition SP.  According to specs posted  in various forums on the net this load penetrates as well as  some .308 loads, at a higher velocity.  The Kel-Tec isn't a varmint class gun by any means, but I have shot groups (3rds) into/touching a 1"  dot @ 100 yds. off a rest more than once.  BTW, my freezer is full of deer meat too.

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« Reply #54 on: August 18, 2010, 07:47:06 PM »
I am wondering why everyone here ,so far, is stuck on high priced AR types?

Why not come out with a hunting style semi-auto like the old Winchester 100 for about $450-500.00 with modern cheaper producing machines? Remington has the sps varmint for that price. I think they would sell. Might as welll make it in .243 too.

Maybe you can convince someone to make one, but I don't think so. It would be hard to produce in the price range you want.

Why are we "stuck" on AR type rifles? Because they work, that's why. I am a bolt action guy, but when it comes to 223, I sold my bolt guns when I saw how good my RRA shoots. And any rifle is a "hunting style" rifle if it works well for hunting & it fits the user. They work so well in fact that I doubt we see the rifle you ask about, I don't think it could pull enough away from the satisfied AR market.


 I think some states (Like that big one out west) have laws that make it illegal to hunt with scary looking black plastic guns. It might disturb the squirrels or something.

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« Reply #55 on: August 19, 2010, 12:34:03 AM »
Swampy if this as an "assault" rifle you may be farther left than Pelosi.  ;) http://secure.netsolhost.com/575571.587307/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AOAL&Product_Code=IZ-114

I would imagine in 20 years the EBR will be less shunned at the hunting cabin. Years ago if you were running a lever gun I would imagine you got an evil eye or two. Same with the pump, then the bolt, then the semi. Folks are slow to accept them as a hunting rigs. Drop a clip out the bottom and you have folks like swampy calling them assault rifles, though the vast majority of them are not full auto. They further limit their use to only target type activities. Which truly shows their bias, since folks exactly like them would have shunned them for what they are currently carrying in their own time.

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« Reply #56 on: August 19, 2010, 08:22:10 PM »
Swampy if this as an "assault" rifle you may be farther left than Pelosi.  ;) http://secure.netsolhost.com/575571.587307/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AOAL&Product_Code=IZ-114

I would imagine in 20 years the EBR will be less shunned at the hunting cabin. Years ago if you were running a lever gun I would imagine you got an evil eye or two. Same with the pump, then the bolt, then the semi. Folks are slow to accept them as a hunting rigs. Drop a clip out the bottom and you have folks like swampy calling them assault rifles, though the vast majority of them are not full auto. They further limit their use to only target type activities. Which truly shows their bias, since folks exactly like them would have shunned them for what they are currently carrying in their own time.
Remember,its not people who hunt who come up with this stuff. Its people that not only dont hunt but dont know anything at all about guns. They dont understand that an evil black plastic assault weapon with its evil bayonet (how many criminals stab their victims with a bayonet??!!) shoots the exact same bullets from the exact same cartridges as slightly less scary hunting guns. (they are ALL scary to them,even pictures of guns,pieces of wood carved to look like guns,or tree branches that children play with that vaguely are shaped in such a way that they can play with it as if it were a gun)  Im not sure what exactly the state of the art in assault rifle definitions is,but they tend to be very broad.

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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #57 on: August 21, 2010, 10:55:47 AM »
I bought the new mini 14 target about 4 months ago, yes I paid 675 for it, but with a bsa 6x24x40 scope mounted on it I can reach out 300 yards and splat woodchucks all day long.The accuracy is there with the new ones.Ive owned a couple saiga's in 223 and cant boast accuracy past 100 yards.I hunt with a buddy who uses a bushmaster with a much better scope than I have and he isnt accurate past 200 yards.I do believe that a company can make a damn accurate semi auto in 223 at a affordable price if there was a demand for them.Just my 3 cents.
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Re: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military?
« Reply #58 on: August 21, 2010, 08:30:48 PM »
To: Ba_50:  You might peruse some of the "Guns for sale" sites like Guns America and others.  I found my Kel-Tec online in a FL Gun Shop near where it is made.  Local  AL price was $750+, the shop in Ft Meyers wanted $440.! I got the rifle, tactical upgrades I wanted for patrol rifle duty, including a Bushnell Holosight which is like an Eotech-lite(same reticle), $150. less., a bag full of Brownell's 30rds mags and a foregrip for under that.  And once I worked out the best load, WW Ranger LE 60gr Nosler Partitions, maybe not on your local dealers shelf, group o/a MOA at 100 yds! That rd penetrates close to what a .308 does per published stats and has put 3 deer in my freezer, DRT one shot kills. Broaden your horizons on who makes a semiauto hunting rifle in .223.  You sound like Jim Zumbo.