Author Topic: Why no .223 semi-auto hunting rifles/non-military? (Read 13667 times)

billy_56081 · « **Reply #90 on:** January 09, 2011, 11:24:13 AM »

Every day i hear or see something that proves Ron White was 100% correct.

Swampman · « **Reply #91 on:** January 09, 2011, 01:24:21 PM »

You can assemble a new AR out of Colt parts for $700.00.

That's not expensive, and if you need a combat weapon it's one way to go.

kevinsmith5 · « **Reply #92 on:** January 09, 2011, 01:51:20 PM »

If it hits and kills what you hunt, at the ranges you hunt, it is suitable for hunting. If you don't like how it looks, that is a matter of personal taste.

jasonprox700 · « **Reply #93 on:** January 10, 2011, 02:05:33 AM »

Quote from: ba_50 on March 01, 2010, 08:24:21 AM

We are talking about two different purposes. I've never owned a .223, so maybe it would be a bad choice knockdown wise, for running coyotes, mostly under 200 yards that have been called in. But for seeing hits and correcting it would be a good choice.
One wouldn't need a tack driver for these shots.

If the manufacturers can come up with a $450 SPS Varmint they should be able to come out with a semi-auto in something like an accu-stock or Hogue for a lot less than $750. You don't think they would sell at $500 a rifle if it could be done? They say that firearms have peaked out in prices because people don't buy them like they used to. In my opinion they are overpriced this day and age.

Those early Mini-14's weren't accurate.

You really don't have much for options. You want a semi-auto that is cheap, accurate, and non-military. That is nearly impossible for the price your looking for, unless you are buying used or are picking up Russian rifles. Even Browning BARs and Remington 750's start at over $700. You just can't purchase a reliable, accurate auto for under $700 new (unless it's an off brand or Russian).

I went through this about five years ago. I ended up going with an AR. I now have 5. They are accurate, reliable, and you can build one on a budget for around $700. Also, I used my DPMS AP4 in .308 for deer hunting this year. Not a single person said that it didn't belong in the woods. Most of the group, even the old timers messed around with it and said it was actually very comfortable to hold and point. They also liked the red dot I had on it too. A couple of them stated they would like to get one by next year (funds permitting).

I would highly recommend the AR. If the price is what's got you worried, here's what you can do. Build it yourself piece by piece. You can spread the cost out over multiple pay checks. But remember, pay once, cry once! You won't regret an AR. They can be had in multiple calibers, they are very accurate with a half way decent barrel, and they are very reliable. Also, parts are easy to come by because it seems everyone makes an AR now.

JWP58 · « **Reply #94 on:** January 10, 2011, 11:52:43 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on January 06, 2011, 02:22:23 PM

Quote from: billy_56081 on January 04, 2011, 02:48:05 PM
I guess myself I really could care less about the "image" presented to non and antihunters.

And there in lies the rub

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I just like good weapons.

Me too but the AR isn't one.

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The second amendment has nothing to do with hunting!

Nobody said we shouldn't own them, just that they aren't good for the image of gun owners, hunting, and hunters.

All kinds of ignorance in that post. The AR is a great weapon. Dont blame the weapon for the short commings of the OPERATOR.

The AR platform is perfect for hunting! Its modular/adaptable/versatile....its ergonomic...reliable, what else do you want?

nomosendero · « **Reply #95 on:** January 10, 2011, 01:05:15 PM »

JWP, I agree with that, but I asked him on the 8th to stop the worthless dribble & he honored that, so let's move away from that.

Jasonpro, good post!

Swampman · « **Reply #96 on:** January 10, 2011, 01:15:23 PM »

I want a wood stock similar to a hunting rifle, a 5 round magazine, and 1/2 MOA accuracy.

kevinsmith5 · « **Reply #97 on:** January 10, 2011, 01:17:29 PM »

I thought this was about what the OP wanted?

nomosendero · « **Reply #98 on:** January 10, 2011, 02:04:37 PM »

I wanted and got a synthetic stock (many hunting rifles come that way) a large cap. mag when I want it &
SUB 1/2" accuracy. Glad I got it, but that has nothing to do with this thread, so no one should really care about that & by the same token, no one shoud care what Swampie wants.

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I thought this was about what the OP wanted?

That's what it is supposed to be about.

mrussel · « **Reply #99 on:** January 11, 2011, 06:06:15 PM »

Quote from: nomosendero on January 10, 2011, 02:04:37 PM

I wanted and got a synthetic stock (many hunting rifles come that way) a large cap. mag when I want it &
SUB 1/2" accuracy. Glad I got it, but that has nothing to do with this thread, so no one should really care about that & by the same token, no one shoud care what Swampie wants.

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I thought this was about what the OP wanted?
That's what it is supposed to be about.

What about the mini 14. It seems to go for 6-700 which is not really bad. You will pay at least that much for any decent weapon. I don't really know how good they are as I haven't looked into it,just that I haven't been burned by Ruger on a purchase so far.

The other thing I know about them is that you cant hit anything with them and they are not very lethal becuase every week on the A-Team,he would shoot up a car or truck with one,the driver would lose control,flip the car,and then everyone would climb out the windows and run away unharmed. If a former special forces soldier cant hit his target with it,it speaks for itself.

helotaxi · « **Reply #100 on:** January 12, 2011, 11:47:57 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on January 10, 2011, 01:15:23 PM

I want a wood stock similar to a hunting rifle, a 5 round magazine, and 1/2 MOA accuracy.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=38906/Product/AR_15_M16_WOOD_STOCK_SETS

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=832905

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=784007

Ask and ye shall receive...

Swampman · « **Reply #101 on:** January 12, 2011, 01:53:11 PM »

I'm still not interested in using an assualt weapon for hunting.

jasonprox700 · « **Reply #102 on:** January 12, 2011, 04:06:40 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on January 12, 2011, 01:53:11 PM

I'm still not interested in using an assualt weapon for hunting.

I'm probably going to get in trouble saying this, but I think it needs to be said. What is your deal Swampman? Seriously. Do you even know what an assault rifle actually is? It is not an AR, it is not an SKS, it is not a semi-auto AK-47. Assault rifles are fully automatic and used by criminals. Assault rifle is a phrase over used by anti's. What you are calling an assault rifle is no different than a Browning BAR or Remington 750. In fact, different variations of the BAR are being made for LEO uses. Do you consider that an Assault Rifle?

Semi-automatic AR's, SKS, AK-47's, and Mini-14's are no different than the "sporterized" semi-automatics made by Remington, Browning, Winchester, and Benelli. Only there appearance is different.

Do you realize your favored bolt actions started life as military rifles (assault rifles as you like to call them). Did you realize your precious Remington company has now developed a line specifically for the military? Huh, yet another assault rifle. Your favorite Model 700's are used extensively around the world by various LEO's and militaries, including our own. These too must be Assault Rifles, Swampman?

People like you are not helping the right to bear arms. You might as well join PETA, move to California, and vote for Pelosi. You're well on your way Mr. Swampman!

I'm sorry if this came across as hateful, but I am sick and tired of the ignorance of some people. They help ruin it for everyone else. If they don't have a clue what they are talking about, they should keep their mouths shut!

nomosendero · « **Reply #103 on:** January 12, 2011, 04:58:09 PM »

Swampie, nobody cares what you are interested in here. If you are capable, stay on topic, if you aren't capable of that, please stay off. You are asked over & over & your behavior is very troll like. I have locked threads in the past just because of your rambling & it is not fair to the others.

OK?

billy_56081 · « **Reply #104 on:** January 12, 2011, 05:00:23 PM »

Agreed Jason, I think Graybeard keeps swampy around to keep proving that what Ron White said was true. Maybe Nomo will send all his posts to the trashcan.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #105 on:** January 13, 2011, 05:16:22 AM »

i like swampy

he is even right....... sometimes

nomosendero · « **Reply #106 on:** January 13, 2011, 07:14:03 AM »

OK, now the topic!

S.S. · « **Reply #107 on:** January 13, 2011, 08:58:30 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on January 12, 2011, 01:53:11 PM

I'm still not interested in using an assualt weapon for hunting.

What do you hunt with? Just about every form of firearm has military roots.
Bows do, Spears do, even rocks do! David put the "Smack Down"
on the G man with one! Sticks and clubs? Military roots! Gog Smacked a dude
named Yuk (named by his father at birth by the way) "Bonk" with one when he wanted
his side of the cave.....

An Assault rifle, by definition, must be select fire.. I seriously doubt anyone posting in this thread
has ever hunted with an assault weapon. Not Game animals anyway.

mrussel · « **Reply #108 on:** January 15, 2011, 07:41:01 AM »

Quote from: jasonprox700 on January 12, 2011, 04:06:40 PM

Quote from: Swampman on January 12, 2011, 01:53:11 PM
I'm still not interested in using an assualt weapon for hunting.

I'm probably going to get in trouble saying this, but I think it needs to be said. What is your deal Swampman? Seriously. Do you even know what an assault rifle actually is? It is not an AR, it is not an SKS, it is not a semi-auto AK-47. Assault rifles are fully automatic and used by criminals. Assault rifle is a phrase over used by anti's. What you are calling an assault rifle is no different than a Browning BAR or Remington 750. In fact, different variations of the BAR are being made for LEO uses. Do you consider that an Assault Rifle?

Semi-automatic AR's, SKS, AK-47's, and Mini-14's are no different than the "sporterized" semi-automatics made by Remington, Browning, Winchester, and Benelli. Only there appearance is different.

Do you realize your favored bolt actions started life as military rifles (assault rifles as you like to call them). Did you realize your precious Remington company has now developed a line specifically for the military? Huh, yet another assault rifle. Your favorite Model 700's are used extensively around the world by various LEO's and militaries, including our own. These too must be Assault Rifles, Swampman?

People like you are not helping the right to bear arms. You might as well join PETA, move to California, and vote for Pelosi. You're well on your way Mr. Swampman!

I'm sorry if this came across as hateful, but I am sick and tired of the ignorance of some people. They help ruin it for everyone else. If they don't have a clue what they are talking about, they should keep their mouths shut!

I do see one issue. In some places,scary black plastic rifles are not legal for hunting. In those cases,that is a problem.

I do agree though,there is little we can do about gun control advocates intentionally misusing the word "assault rifle" or about the general public simply being misled by them and understanding the distinction between a semiautomatic rifle with military cosmetic styling and an assault weapon. However,I feel we should do our best to use the right terms as we know better and we should not propagate that kind of misinformation.

mrussel · « **Reply #109 on:** January 15, 2011, 07:56:44 AM »

Quote from: S.S. on January 13, 2011, 08:58:30 AM

Quote from: Swampman on January 12, 2011, 01:53:11 PM
I'm still not interested in using an assualt weapon for hunting.

What do you hunt with? Just about every form of firearm has military roots.
Bows do, Spears do, even rocks do! David put the "Smack Down"
on the G man with one! Sticks and clubs? Military roots! Gog Smacked a dude
named Yuk (named by his father at birth by the way) "Bonk" with one when he wanted
his side of the cave.....

An Assault rifle, by definition, must be select fire.. I seriously doubt anyone posting in this thread
has ever hunted with an assault weapon. Not Game animals anyway.

Actually,its not a fight I would try to fight because it would play badly in the news,but I'm actually all for real machine guns being usable for hunting,if that's what you want. You should either have to have a magazine which can only hold one round or have changed internal parts so that the weapon will only fire semi-auto. In other words,if you render your evil man-killing machine gun into a state where the selective fire function is disabled and it can only fire semi-auto,feel free to hunt with it just like I can take my Auto 5 duck hunting so long as I put a plug in the magazine so I can only have three rounds in it. I wouldn't try to fight for that as there are bigger fish to fry,but honestly, the only two things that matter are what size bullet it fires and how fast its going when it hits. I honestly don't care if someone downloads a 50bmg for deer,and I don't think the deer really cares whether he was hit with that or a 50cal muzzle loader.

The question does come up,why NOT one of the Russian ones or off brand ones? The real question this thread seems to be about though is,why no CHEAP semi auto hunting rifles. I think the real answer is,price is subjective. 700-800 dollars is quite a bit of change for me but is not unreasonable. I always just assumed that its because semi autos are more complex and therefore unless you go Russian your going to have to pay a more. I do have a question,is it possible to put a conventional rifle stock on an AR or is there something that ends up getting in the way?

Swampman · « **Reply #110 on:** January 15, 2011, 09:28:46 AM »

I's like to see someone produce a good semi-auto hunting rifle. Something along the lines of the 742 Remington would be great. It just needs to function and be accurate.