Any way to mount a receiver peep on a model 98 w/o drilling or destruction?

[mannyrock]

Dear Guys,

    I have often thought about buying a really good military 98, in a carbine version.  But, of course, my eyes are so old that there is no way I could ever use that little "v" cut tangent rear sight.   I would love to have some sort of receiver mounted peep sight.   

     On the other hand, I don't want to drill holes in the receiver, or cut any of the stock. 

      Is there any system for mounting a decent receiver peep on a 98 mauser, without doing any drilling or cutting?   I have seen peep type-replacements and inserts, that fit on the rear tangent sight mount, but that's not what I want.  They are too far forward.

       I seem to remember that way back in the 1960s, somebody was selling rear peep sights that fit on (or attached to ) the rear cocking piece, or maybe the cocking piece shroud?  Of course, I would have to replace the front sight with a taller one, but that would be OK.

         Any ideas??

thanks, Mannyrock

[woodchukhntr]

I put a peep on a Lee-Enfield #4 Mk1 sporter with JB Weld.  It never came loose and came off only when I removed it when I sold the rifle.  I don't know if there any Lyman or Williams sights that wouldn't require some wood removal, but if there are, JB Weld would work.

[mannyrock]

    Yes, I have used JB Weld in the past, and I have no doubt that it would hold the base for a peep sight to the top of a mauser receiver.

     The problem is, though, that in order to remove it, I would need to bang on it with a hammer and cold chisel.  This would no doubt scar the metal of the receiver, and probably remove all of the bluing under and around the base.   This would ruin the value of the rifle as a collectible, and would probably be view as far worse than having two receiver sight screw holes drilled and tapped into the receiver.

      I was hoping that there was something like an SK Industries "no-drill" scope mount, upon which a receiver sight could be placed.  I think that Warne or somebody makes a receiver sight that will clamp onto a weaver style base.

  Or maybe somebody knows of something else?

Thanks, Mannyrock

[woodchukhntr]

You don't need to bang on anything!  The JB Weld will soften at a temperature that is too low to damage the receiver finish.

1)  Remove the stock and the riser part of the sight.
2)  Use a propane torch to heat the base of the sight.  The heat will not damage or discolor the receiver.
3)  Grab ahold of the sight with a cotton cloth (not synthetic since it will melt) and pull and twist the sight off.   You can use a padded pair of pliers, just be sure not to damage the sight.
4)  While the receiver is still hot, remove the remaining JB Weld with a coarse cloth like one of your wife's cotton dishrags or a piece of burlap.  You can heat it up again with the torch to soften it up as required.
5)  When you are done you will not even see where the sight was and the rifle will not be devalued.

If you don't believe me, try it on something else before mounting the sight on the rifle.  The secret is to clean both surfaces before applying the JB Weld and to clean up the excess material after you put the sight on.  Use something to clamp the parts together until the JB hardens.  I mask off the area around the sight with tape.

[eye shot]

woodchukhntr is right I glue- epoxy slug barrels into shotgun recievers and the only difference is I use Devcon Plastic Welder. It will release at 200 deg. and that will not hurt bluing or anything silver soldered.

[mannyrock]

   Great info on the JB weld and plastic epoxy!  Thanks guys.

[billy_56081]

Its great to see everyone share this information. Ya learn more every day.

[Scibaer]

so would that same idea work on a scope mount ? at the reciever or on the barrel ?

[mannyrock]

    A follow up question please:  Most of the Williams sites are now made with Aluminum bases, not steel.

          1.  Does JB Weld hold an aluminum base onto a receiver?   Or is JB Weld strictly a "steel" proposition.

          2.  Using a propane torch to remove the base, by softening the JB Weld,  will this melt the Aluminum base?  (I don't care if the base ends up being destroyed by the heat, I just don't want it to melt into the JB Weld or adhere to the receiver of the rifle.)

  Thanks for all info.

Mannyrock

[woodchukhntr]

I have done it on Williams aluminum sights on steel receivers.  Not only doesn't it melt the aluminum (melts at over 1200 deg. F) unless you really overdo it, it didn't even ruin the finish on the sight.  I wouldn't use an axy-acetylene torch, however, because it burns way too hot!

Remember, the JB Weld is just an epoxy with a filler, it is not metal.  It melts at around 300 deg.

[usherj]

Mannyrock,

I bought a 98 mauser sporter many years ago that had a Lyman peep that mounted onto the bolt release somehow. I no longer have the rifle, but the sight was very well made with nice adjustments. I don't know if any stock notching would be necessary. Check out ebay and the other auctions, one might pop up. They were not as popular as the traditional screw-on models, but they may be out there.

[StrawHat]

Here is a thread about a Rigby style sight.  I used too have more info on it but am not able to locate it at this time.

One thing I remember is that it is expensive.

http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9411043/m/1991090401?r=9571002401

[Rangr44]

This is by Rigby

[shinjin]

Try Mojo sights. Fit the rear sight base and gives u a nice peep. AND, you can replace the front blade with apeep and it really speeds your shotting and increases accuracy.

[351 power]

if you buy a collector grade mauser lots of times you can get a cheap sporterized matching rifle cheap. that one could be great to shoot/modify while leaving the nice one collectable

[Dixie Dude]

Will Super Glue hold a site, then use the remover to take it off? 

[Mikey]

I suppose the stripper clip guide is too far forward to be considered as a 'mounting base', unless it attached to a sort of 'action cover' that had the peep mounted to it so it was close enough to the eye to work.  You could use a small hex bolt to tension the 'mounting base' into the stripper clip guide without marring the action and epoxy the sight base to the 'action cover'.  You could remove it and install it on any Mauser.  Just a thought. 

[Mikey]

You can also take a slightly oversized stripper clip, say one for a SKS or a Mosin, and 'work' it to fit the stripper clip guide on your Mauser, and then bend it back over the rear of the action - you will have to shorten a SKS stripper clip but maybe not a Mosin stripper and then epoxy your peep sight on top of that.  You could probably also use some epoxy to assure a good fit of the stripper clip into the guide channels.  Inexpensive and it moves the peep farther to the rear where it should be.  For what it would cost for the stripper clips and sight you might be able to produce a nifty little gizmo....