Whats going on with H&R/REM

[tanoose]

About a month and a half ago i spoke with H&R about having a barrel fitted to my 45/70 handi rifle, i wanted the 24" bull fluted .22-250. They said they were out of stock for another 2-3 months but that i could send my rifle in and they would do the work as soon as the barrels became available. A week after they received the rifle I phoned them and gave them my credit card information. Now a month later I get a call from H&R to tell me that the fluted barrels have been discontinued but i could have the regular bull barrel fitted if i wanted. But they to were out of stock.  I said fine lets go with the regular bull barrel. That same day i get a call now from a remington rep. who said all the 24" bull barrels were out of stock for a very long time and that it could be six months or more and that they were shipping my rifle back to me because they were afraid they may lose it between now and when the barrels do come available. ( doesn't say much for them) He told me to check with them in the future and IF they become available Remington will send me a free shipping label to send the rifle back. I hope that remington hasn't decided to do away with the barrel accessory program, as I beleive that this program has been a big sucsess for H&R. Anyone else having this problem. It wasn't just the .22-250 it was also the 223rem. and the 204 ruger.

[PHATINJUN]

Boy the hits just keep on comin. If what you are saying is in fact. That probly means they won't have accessory bbl available for a yr cause after six months most complete guns will be off the shelves and they will replenish that suppy first. Looks to me like they are drivin it into the ground to close it up.Sorry did I say that. Kurt

[carbineman]

It is amazing that in this economy a company can find a way to turn down business. Again I don't know what the profit is on additional barrels added to a customers frame, but it appears that this company is in in a constant state of disarray.
i would assume this has to be from the top right on down. Talk about one foot in the grave and another on a banana peel.

[quickdtoo]

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[necchi]

I don't know what the profit is on additional barrels added to a customers frame, but it appears that this company is in in a constant state of disarray.

 I think there is alot more to be said there, they are a corprate subsidiary of a corprate subsidiary now, right?

 All it takes is one bean counter, high up, and things can become a mess. They may be making 50,000+ guns each year, but it might take 49,900 too break even, what with the expense of the move and new equipment, (from even years back) the top corp could cut back at H&R just to use them as an expense right off,
 Ya gotta look at the big package, Accountants, Corprate Tax, Lawyers, Mega corps,,times are tuff all over. I just wonder how many "on the floor" workers got a lay-off or cut?
 Lord knows I don't wanna tallk politics, but there are alot of big buisness worried about our lawmakers right now.

[petemi]

I feel we're better off trading barrels right here.  Of course, eventually that resource will dry up also if they quit making them.

Pete

[PHATINJUN]

SSSSSHHHHHHHH Pete you'll cause a run on the market
Tim is that a guy twirling his finger by his ear or is he waving bye bye.  Kurt

[necchi]

I feel we're better off trading barrels right here.  Of course, eventually that resource will dry up also if they quit making them. Pete

Ya Pete! You better "knock on wood"! 

[carbineman]

I don't know what the profit is on additional barrels added to a customers frame, but it appears that this company is in in a constant state of disarray.

 I think there is alot more to be said there, they are a corprate subsidiary of a corprate subsidiary now, right?

 All it takes is one bean counter, high up, and things can become a mess. They may be making 50,000+ guns each year, but it might take 49,900 too break even, what with the expense of the move and new equipment, (from even years back) the top corp could cut back at H&R just to use them as an expense right off,
 Ya gotta look at the big package, Accountants, Corprate Tax, Lawyers, Mega corps,,times are tuff all over. I just wonder how many "on the floor" workers got a lay-off or cut?
 Lord knows I don't wanna tallk politics, but there are alot of big buisness worried about our lawmakers right now.

I can agree with everything that is said on this thread, but the simple fact remains that without product to sell in one way,shape or form, no profit will be made regardless of the reason. These are signs of impending changes. What changes?........................ What do you get when cross an elephant and a rhino? ELEPHINO

[manatee1947]

When the settlers took the west, they killed off the buffalo, because they were easier to kill than Indians, they brought in some money, and the room was then left for cattle. The Indians then fell to disease and starvation. Genocide ? Of course not..... they just did not adapt.
Remember, these are corporations, they do not care what they make,because ultimately what the "make" is money. IS the H&R program profitable ? is not the question. Is it the MOST profitable use they could make of that money? Soros , Cerebrus, I saw Soros on meet the press last week, he said he is going to be giving away 500 MILLION a year to charities and organizations to influence opinion, policy and social movements. He is the ultimate player here, and how much profit would a firearms company have to make in order to influence someone who is trying to GIVE AWAY 30 BILLION dollars. George is not a big fan of small arms. We could be seeing the first stirrings of death by benign neglect. If it takes another 50 years, they have time.
I really hope I am wrong here, I am just getting into Handis, and they are neat.

[blind ear]

Manatee1947, the government issued blankets innoculated with smallpox to the indians at the same time the buffalo kill was going on. Ishee's, (the indian that taught Pope and Young to hunt), family was hunted down with dogs for scalp bounties. I conclude genocide was involved. eddiegjr

[Lon371]

  Buy the competition and shut em down(regardless of how minor). Happens way to often anymore.  

  Waite just a minute.... I GOT IT! Maybe they are slowing down because they are retooling. Maybe they are updating their equipment of improvements. Maybe they are going to make the barrels so you don't have to fit, just drop on(like the T/C)...... Your probably right, to much coffee and to early to be typing

Lonny

[Swampman]

There is no competition.

[skiforce]

It is amazing that in this economy a company can find a way to turn down business. Again I don't know what the profit is on additional barrels added to a customers frame, but it appears that this company is in in a constant state of disarray.
i would assume this has to be from the top right on down. Talk about one foot in the grave and another on a banana peel.

I think this may have to do with inventory.  A company's tax liability changes due to its inventory.  It may be that the money they make on barrels is negated by having to keep barrels in stock.  Aren't they in NY?  How can any company survive that state and its enormous tax code?  Additionally, if they did not keep barrels in stock, they will get angry customers, like the one that started this thread.  Just a thought...

[GrassLakeRon]

I thought they closed there US production facility and moved most of their operations overseas.  That seems to be the Remington  MO recently.  I hope I'm wrong.  Besides, if they get rid of the barrel program, that will make you buy more guns.

Ron

[Swampman]

Completely false

[av-doctor]

inventory may be correct. the company i work for is based in NY and every year beginning jan 1st we have to use up all our raw materials because they get taxed for materials not product we currently have 2 warehouses stuffed with product and almost no raw materials on hand. if this is correct the time frame quick posted before would be about right.begin production mar,aprl product available june,july that gives roughly 3 mos to fill dealer orders and begin stock of acces. barrels i wouldn't expect any before june.

As for killing accessory barrels, that would be the first nail in the coffin for H&R without the ability to order extra barrels people would start looking at some of the new bolt actions now available that aren't much more than a handi, as for die hard single fans there is TC and Rossi to fill in if H&R slips by the wayside

Politics? I don't think so firearms manufactures are like big tobacco shrug it of pay the penalties,fines,ect and pass the cost on to consumers  

[quickdtoo]

I thought they closed there US production facility and moved most of their operations overseas.

That's bogus, Remington closed Gardner and moved production to their Ilion NY plant and invested $4M in upgrades.

Tim

http://www.hr1871.com/Support/accessoryProgram.asp

[phatgemi]

The bottom line is barrels are increasingly rare! Whether they are stopping production/retooling or whatever, the fact remains it's almost impossible to order an accessory barrel. The days of sending in your action and ordering a couple of barrels: returned to you in about 5-6 weeks is gone.

So for whatever reason, you can't get a barrel! Does it matter why?

[MSP Ret]

Soros?!?, now that is frightening, he hates the USA, our Constitution, and our way of life, as much or possibly more than obama....<><....

[Austin1]

I know they all have been bought out but I bet the company lets Remington be the big dog Too Marlin and H&R so customer service will suck now. For me anyway Remington has the worst customer service. Would not surprize me if they go to China to make rifles I guess I am just bitter with Remington Still shoot the Core loct bullets though as they are cheap and work very well.

[Mac11700]

It is amazing that in this economy a company can find a way to turn down business. Again I don't know what the profit is on additional barrels added to a customers frame, but it appears that this company is in in a constant state of disarray.
i would assume this has to be from the top right on down. Talk about one foot in the grave and another on a banana peel.

I think this may have to do with inventory.  A company's tax liability changes due to its inventory.  It may be that the money they make on barrels is negated by having to keep barrels in stock.  Aren't they in NY?  How can any company survive that state and its enormous tax code?  Additionally, if they did not keep barrels in stock, they will get angry customers, like the one that started this thread.  Just a thought...

That's like shooting themselves in the foot...It is tax time..and many folks are getting refunds for the next couple months..They should get the production ramped up..so they can sell more of everything they offer..

Mac

[Swampman]

I love Remington, Marlin, & NEF.

[Macphoto]

It was pretty clear at the SHOT show that H&R was very uncomfortable with the new offerings by Rossi/Taurus, especially the rifles/shotguns with off the rack interchangeability.  Barrels were no more than $140, retail.  That is reason for concern.

[Swampman]

And they aren't worth even that.

[wreckhog]

It would not surprise if the profit per unit on accessory barrels exceeds that on a whole gun. One is sold by the factory at full retail, the other through a bunch of middlemen, and is probably taxed differently. Weird time to turn down any income. I am having a greater appreciation for TC. Lifetime warranty which I used recently. When you get through to customer service, you get the same 2 or 3 ladies and escalating to the head of customer service or the gun manager is just matter of them putting you on hold for 2 minutes and finding the guys on the shop floor.

[wreckhog]

I don't believe that Cerebus got rich by screwing up. The opposite actually, they buy failing companies and successfully repair them. These are growing pains, and H&R will survive, but maybe not as you have always known them.

[TxGun]

Like H&R, Thompson Center is no longer the original company. It was bought out by Smith & Wesson Holdings in 2007. Apparently, they have been able to maintain reasonably high standards of production & service which is obviously a credit to their management. Still, remember that Smith & Wesson was itself in financial trouble about a decade or so ago. We all know nothing is a sure thing in the world of gunmakers anymore. 

http://ir.smith-wesson.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=90977&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=942841&highlight 

[skiforce]

It is amazing that in this economy a company can find a way to turn down business. Again I don't know what the profit is on additional barrels added to a customers frame, but it appears that this company is in in a constant state of disarray.
i would assume this has to be from the top right on down. Talk about one foot in the grave and another on a banana peel.

I think this may have to do with inventory.  A company's tax liability changes due to its inventory.  It may be that the money they make on barrels is negated by having to keep barrels in stock.  Aren't they in NY?  How can any company survive that state and its enormous tax code?  Additionally, if they did not keep barrels in stock, they will get angry customers, like the one that started this thread.  Just a thought...

That's like shooting themselves in the foot...It is tax time..and many folks are getting refunds for the next couple months..They should get the production ramped up..so they can sell more of everything they offer..

Mac

Mac Let's say that H&R makes 30 dollars off of every barrel after expenses.  Now comes NY and tells them that if they have too much inventory on Apr 15th then they will pay a tax, which can be calculated per barrel, of $5.  Now their profit margin has just been reduced by 17%.  For what?  For being in NY.  Or they can just reduce their inventory by making guns (which makes profit), selling them to their distributors,  and filling backorders with new stock barrels after the tax man cometh.  Are you going to reduce your demand for barrels because you have to wait a few months during the off peak (non-hunting) times of the year?  Not too many people will.  It is all a game.

[wls]

In 2008 I had a muzzleloader barrel fitted to my shotgun sb1 frame for $86 and change.  Last week I inquire about a .357 or 44mag and was in formed $140 plus ins and shipping. What's up with that ?  60% increase?