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Oregon Store Out $12K After Toy Guns Seized
« on: March 02, 2010, 06:57:35 AM »
The owner of an airsoft gun store in Oregon said he's outraged after federal agents seized his shipment of 30 airsoft rifles.
http://www.kptv.com/video/22714522/index.html


CORNELIUS, Ore. -- The owner of an airsoft gun store in Oregon said he's outraged after federal agents seized his shipment of 30 airsoft rifles.

Agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms found the airsoft guns' internal components could be replaced with real machine gun parts in a short amount of time, allowing them to fire live ammunition.

But Ben Martin, who owns Airsoft Outlet Northwest, disputes the ATF's finding. He said the guns, which are designed to shoot plastic BBs, are clearly not sturdy enough to withstand firing a real bullet.

"It's completely ridiculous that they think they could make these shoot real rounds," Martin said.

Martin's store in Cornelius stocks many types of makes and models, but the model made by a manufacturer in Taiwan raised red flags with U.S. customs officials in Tacoma last fall because the airsoft guns closely resembled the function and feel of real guns.

Officials said the guns lacked the required orange tips for imported toy guns.

The ATF considers the seized toys to be machine guns and plans to destroy them -- a move that could come at a cost for Martin's business.

"That's about $12,000 down the hole," Martin said.

Martin said he has had other shipments seized by customs and border protection officials in the past. Often times, he said, he does not receive an explanation and he said the process is arbitrary.

In addition to firing small plastic BBs, some models of airsoft guns use compressed gas for propellant.

Similar to paintball, airsoft shooters fire the guns at each other in competitions. But airsoft guns are much more realistic in feel and function.

Martin admits it can be difficult to differentiate between an airsoft rifle and a real M4 assault rifle used by the U.S. Military.

"If you put it in someone else's hands who is not familiar with guns, they would probably have a hard time telling the difference," Martin said.

But Martin said the realistic look of the guns adds to the sport of airsoft's appeal.


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Re: Oregon Store Out $12K After Toy Guns Seized
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2010, 07:03:04 AM »
You can bet I'm putting the orange thingy on all My "Toy" guns from now on!
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Re: Oregon Store Out $12K After Toy Guns Seized
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2010, 07:33:30 AM »
I'm still trying to figure out how you can make a plastic gun fire real bullets....


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Re: Oregon Store Out $12K After Toy Guns Seized
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2010, 07:38:57 AM »
You are talking about the same people that think the Glocks are X- Ray Proof.
and that they are all Polymeyer and not huge hunks of steel in the slide and barrel.

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Re: Oregon Store Out $12K After Toy Guns Seized
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2010, 07:46:19 AM »
You are talking about the same people that think the Glocks are X- Ray Proof.
and that they are all Polymeyer and not huge hunks of steel in the slide and barrel.

amazing how ignorant some people are isn't it.
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Re: Oregon Store Out $12K After Toy Guns Seized
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2010, 07:52:13 AM »
I'm still trying to figure out how you can make a plastic gun fire real bullets....


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Awe come on - Glock did it :P.

I all seriousness though, this story is just saddening.  I've always found the whole "orange tip" nonsense stupid anyways.  If someone wants to rob a store with a toy gun a $0.99 can of black spray-paint gets rid of that orange tip mighty fast.  On the flip side, there's nothing stopping people from painting the tips of real guns orange either. 

Just plain old fashioned stupid legislation at work.

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Re: Oregon Store Out $12K After Toy Guns Seized
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2010, 08:04:36 AM »
Hope this guy finds a really good lawyer. As much as I dispise lawyers, sometimes ya need one. Ought to take the ''experts'' to court. Anybody that works for ATF should know the difference. Probably do, just out to harase the shop owner. To bad the NRA doesn't have any stone's. They should jump in on this, but they'll let the guy out to dry. gypsyman
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Re: Oregon Store Out $12K After Toy Guns Seized
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2010, 08:06:22 AM »
Agreed!
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Re: Oregon Store Out $12K After Toy Guns Seized
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2010, 08:13:30 AM »
Hope this guy finds a really good lawyer. As much as I dispise lawyers, sometimes ya need one. Ought to take the ''experts'' to court. Anybody that works for ATF should know the difference. Probably do, just out to harase the shop owner. To bad the NRA doesn't have any stone's. They should jump in on this, but they'll let the guy out to dry. gypsyman
OK so you find a good lawyer to sue and you pay him 10,000 to handle the case.
At best suing the government is going to do is get your $12,000 worth of product back and may not be in sellable condition.
Now you are out 22,000.
This is what I do not get about the whole health care debate.  If you sue a private company you can get damages, legal fees, and punnitive pay.
If you sue the governemnt all you get is your stuff back.  If a private company denies you coverage for something you paid for you can sue for breach of contract and beable to take the $ if you win to get what you wanted in the first place.  If you sue the governemnt,  well sometimes you are not allowed to sue them.

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Re: Oregon Store Out $12K After Toy Guns Seized
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2010, 11:27:21 AM »

Heck fellas, they are just practicing  for the big game!
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Re: Oregon Store Out $12K After Toy Guns Seized
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2010, 01:19:14 PM »
If you don't push back, runaway agency's like ATF will only increase their attack's. Like it or not, Timothy McVeigh put the govt. back on it's heels. Wrong way to go about it, legal system should be used. But, unless your just coming out of a cave, we all know how that sometimes turns out. gypsyman
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Re: Oregon Store Out $12K After Toy Guns Seized
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2010, 02:27:59 PM »
Make em prove it! Have the atf replace the parts they claim can allow it to shoot live ammo. Then make them perform a live fire exercise :D :D :D ::) ::)

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Re: Oregon Store Out $12K After Toy Guns Seized
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2010, 02:31:23 PM »
Make em prove it! Have the atf replace the parts they claim can allow it to shoot live ammo. Then make them perform a live fire exercise :D :D :D ::) ::)

Now there is a great idea.... I want to watch... on tv that is....

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Re: Oregon Store Out $12K After Toy Guns Seized
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2010, 02:14:53 AM »
It's hard to believe the BATF can that stupid. I would like to them build them into a bullet fireing rifle and shoulder it and pull the trigger.
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Re: Oregon Store Out $12K After Toy Guns Seized
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2010, 03:33:52 AM »
Can anyone say, GESTAPO?
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