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How is 308 brass reformed to 7mm-08 brass?
« on: March 04, 2010, 10:07:28 AM »
I am new to the forums here, so hi everybody. I am thinking of getting into reloading and was just wondering how 308 brass is resized to 7mm-08 brass. 308 brass is more plentifull and cheaper. Is the 308 brass just resized with the 708 resizing die or what? 

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Re: How is 308 brass reformed to 7mm-08 brass?
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2010, 10:24:50 AM »
Welcome to the forum.

Lube well, run through a 7mm/08 die and trim as needed.

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Re: How is 308 brass reformed to 7mm-08 brass?
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2010, 10:59:05 AM »
easier than I thought thanks man!!

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Re: How is 308 brass reformed to 7mm-08 brass?
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2010, 11:07:05 AM »
Yep , some are just that simple , others can be a royal pain to form . Try some 22 Rem Jet case's from 357 Max one time and you'll think why would anyone ever do this .  ;D

Like Grumulkin said , you will have to trimm the cases at some point , maybe not for the first loading but it will need to be done at some point , also you may want to check the neck thickness of the finished cases , some chambers are cut on the tight side and some brass is formed on the thick side . This could lead to over pressure problems .

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Re: How is 308 brass reformed to 7mm-08 brass?
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2010, 11:22:03 AM »
If you start to lose brass run the 308`s through the seater die befor the sizing die. That does the job in 2 steps and you`ll lose less brass.

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Re: How is 308 brass reformed to 7mm-08 brass?
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2010, 12:17:39 PM »
What do you mean by loosing brass Catfish? ???

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Re: How is 308 brass reformed to 7mm-08 brass?
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2010, 12:53:19 PM »
"LOSE=RUINED"

I did this for some time as I bought a 7-08 when they first where released and loaded bullets weren't readily available... I formed them exactly as previous posters mentioned, lube and run them thru the die. But I also found the necks thickened and uniforming was needed. Not hard either, but a extra step.

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Re: How is 308 brass reformed to 7mm-08 brass?
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2010, 01:18:14 PM »
Thanks you guys. I'm glad that I found this forum there's a alot of usefull info on here. I'm just afraid that my lil' wifey's gonna be on my back cause all I want to do is sit infront of this computer and read. Oh well the price I gotta pay! ;D

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Re: How is 308 brass reformed to 7mm-08 brass?
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2010, 02:02:32 PM »
This site has been amazing  - I've received a ton of information and tips from the Graybeard forums.  I guess that I'm blessed because I'm married to a woman who is super supportive of my hobby.  I'm considering the purchase of a 7mm-08 or .260 Rem and I've been saving my brother-in-law's discarded .308 brass for future use.

Hey Stimpy, how does a person go about finding odd ball obsolete guns for cartridges such as a .22 Jet? I love obsolete cartridges and I'm sure that I would have fun loading and shooting these - my concern is finding bullets, brass and reloading dies..... 


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Re: How is 308 brass reformed to 7mm-08 brass?
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2010, 11:54:06 PM »
mrjbloomington - I just recently bought a 7-08. I have the means and know how to form cases from 308 brass. Having been down that road before with other cases, the only way I would do it again, is if I could not get the brass, the brass was unavailable (out of stock) or the brass is sooo expensive that reforming makes sense. 308 brass costs some where around $40/100 now. 7-08 brass costs around $45/100 - to me $5/100 is not worth messing around with. I bought brass for my 7-08. Unless you have a stash of 308 brass already that you do not know what to do with; personally I would not mess with it. It might be simple manner of lubing and running through your die and trimming, but if they are once fired brass, you may have to anneal cases before sizing, you may have to turn necks, depending on your rifle. You may want to turn necks any way, because when the necks thicken through sizing, they may not be uniform. Like I said, I avoid it when practical, even $10/hundred, is not worth it to me, even when it is a simple sizing job. I have done it, it is a learning experience, and I will do it again, but only if I have to.

KansasPaul - As far as I know; the only 22 Jets being made any more are through the Custom shop at T/C. Dies can be purchased, however. Cases are available (expensive, but available) as are bullets, they take standard .224 bullets for most guns built in the last 20 years, like the T/C. Cases can be formed from 357 brass as well, but be prepared for a bunch of work. Stimpy alluded to this. He formed his brass. The The original 22 Jets in the Model 53 were of a smaller diameter. They used bullets in .222 or .223. They can still be had, but at a premium price. The guns are another problem. Originally they were for a S&W revolver (model 53) and they quit making those years ago. Stimpy had a Handi rifle in 22 Mag rechambered for his 22 Jet. Or you can still get them in a T/C either a short or long barrel through their custom shop. T/C is a good way to go if you are looking to shoot a lot of obsolete cases. As far as making brass, that is on a case by case basis. The best thing to do is buy a couple of reloading manuals that have the cartridge you are thinking of and see if you can form them from some thing else. Unless they are real old, most times you can get brass, dies and bullets for them. It may cost you a bunch, but they are generally available.

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Re: How is 308 brass reformed to 7mm-08 brass?
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2010, 04:08:36 AM »
I've done a LOT of case reforming for some 30+ years, even making .22-250 from .30-06.  I did it for a lot of reasons other than cost savings.

Necking .308 down to 7-08 in one step is so easy, why not?  Lube well, push it in the die, pull it out, you're done.   Not likely to even need trimming for length but check it anyway.  The necks will thicken some, about a thousanth or less, but so little it would be difficult to measure with any certainty.  I don't think reformed necks are different from any other cases afterwards.

It would indeed be good to anneal the new necks.  Done right, annealing can greatly extend case life but it's by no means necessary.  (Most people seem to vastly over heat the necks, done correctly there should be NO visibile red glow; that makes the brass too soft for good bullet tension.  But, it will sure last a LOOONG time before splitting!   :D  )
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Re: How is 308 brass reformed to 7mm-08 brass?
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2010, 03:08:47 PM »
Okay, so this is where my knowledge is lacking.... what is the purpose of annealing?  Does it delay the work hardening of the brass? Is it only necessary when brass is reformed? 

Paul

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Re: How is 308 brass reformed to 7mm-08 brass?
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2010, 12:46:36 AM »
Okay, so this is where my knowledge is lacking.... what is the purpose of annealing?  Does it delay the work hardening of the brass? Is it only necessary when brass is reformed? 

Paul

It softens the brass, making reforming easier. BUT don't wrongly can ruin the brass.

IMHO its will NOT be necessary. IF your brass isn't forming because its been "fire hardened" its NOT brass you should be using anyhow. At least not at this stage of your reloading career.

Start with new or known once fired brass and you should have no problems.

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