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Inching Up the Learning Curve with the 224-32 FA
« on: March 05, 2010, 01:55:53 PM »
I left early for the range today with the 150 rounds of 224-32 FA I had loaded last weekend.  I set up at the 25 yard range and proceeded to take my first shot.  Bang!   Everything seemed fine until I tried to pull the hammer back for the second shot.  The gun had locked up tight.  I had the dickens of a time trying to get the cylinder to rotate, but finally, after about ten minutes of effort, I was able to get the cylinder moved enough so that I could get the spent cartridge removed.  Hmmm, what’s going on here?  The cartridge chambered perfectly, the headspace was correct, so what could be the problem?  I decided to try another cartridge, this time loading only a single round.  Bad idea! Same thing happened.  Again, after much effort, I was able to remove the spent cartridge.  Not being interested in going through this routine again, I put the gun down and thought a spell.  I remembered years ago that the 22 Remington Jet Magnum had had the same problem, and I seemed to recollect that any trace of oil in the chamber would cause the case to back up against the recoil shield, binding the cylinder and rendering the gun inoperable.  Voila!  I had, in my usual fashion, wiped down the chambers with CLP after my last shooting session a couple of weeks ago.  I grabbed some cleaning patches and immediately set about wiping out the chambers.  Tried shooting it again with a single round…no problem, cylinder rotated normally.  Tried another couple of single rounds…everything seemed OK.  Loaded a full cylinder, one round seemed to bind the cylinder somewhat, so I swabbed out the chambers again.  After that, everything worked just fine.  Moral of the story…don’t oil the chambers of the 224-32 FA.  Leave ‘em completely dry.

I fired about 50 rounds at the 25 yard line.  Upon inspecting each case as I ejected it, I noted about 5 or 6 cases with split necks which had to be discarded.  I had my portable reloading rig with me, so I took the once-fired brass and reloaded it.  I checked each case for the correct length, and each was within the correct spec for length.  I loaded them up and fired them at the 50 yard range.  I think I only had one split case from that batch. 

Here’s a representative target from 50 yards:



I’m still not sure why I’m having more split cases than seems to be the norm.  I’ve double checked my procedures and everything seems to be correct.  Some of the splits are probably attributable to case setback during my first few shots, to the point that the neck was not fully supported by the chamber walls.  But in at least two or three shots, there was no indication of any excessive case setback. Perhaps someone with more knowledge than me on case forming and fireforming can give me some pointers.

Apart from the initial “oh shoot!” moment when the gun locked up, it was a pretty good day at the range.  I’ve still got a bit to learn about this gun and cartridge, but I think I’m making progress.

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Re: Inching Up the Learning Curve with the 224-32 FA
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2010, 06:08:44 PM »
You should NEVER EVER have any sort of lube in the chamber of any firearm PERIOD. BAD mojo nothing good can ever come of it and lots of bad things might happen as you found out. It doesn't just apply to that gun or chambering or even just to revolvers.


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Re: Inching Up the Learning Curve with the 224-32 FA
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2010, 03:46:31 AM »
Actually, the instruction manual for the Freedom Arms Model 1997 states:

"Place a very thin coat of oil in the barrel interior, and in each chamber in the cylinder, and on all external metal parts."

That's always been my practice, but I won't be doing it in future for the 224-32.

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Re: Inching Up the Learning Curve with the 224-32 FA
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2010, 04:49:02 AM »
I seriously doubt that was intended to be left in when firing but if so it's sure the first time I've seen such advice. It sounds like instructions for storage not for shooting to me.


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Re: Inching Up the Learning Curve with the 224-32 FA
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2010, 06:23:44 AM »
Hi. I've got a 224-32 also. The only time I had split necks was during case forming. I don't think my dies are finished as smoothly as they should be. While forming, I would get some brass particles accumulate after a number of cases, and then I would get a wrinkle in the case neck. Cleaning the die out would cure it for a while. I also had a couple of cases stick first time out, cleaning the chambers cured that. I don't know that I could do it on demand, but I have shot a couple 1 inch groups at 100 yds. This is with a 2-7 power scope on the bench. I took it and another pistol out to the range Thurs. and tried to chrono the loads, but it would't work.  It was a bright clear day with snow cover, that might have caused the wild readings on the chrono. I think I'll wait till the snow melts before another attempt.   I'm using Barnes 36gr varmint grenade bullets and 1680 powder.

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Re: Inching Up the Learning Curve with the 224-32 FA
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2010, 06:07:20 PM »
Jaycee,

Although, I don't have a 224-32 FA gun, my Taurus .218 Bee, 6.5" revolver behaves similarly.  The first 7 rounds are all fine when the cylinder is free from any oil or spent powder residues.  The second 7 rounds may work just fine but some times it begins tightening the cylinder a little (I love this gun but I hate when that happens).  Reducing the load helps to shoot for longer periods; but I think the chambers get dirty quickly and it is best to do some cleaning mor often during the shooting session.  One of my favorite loads is 7.5 to 8.0 grains of Blue Dot with a 45 gr slug (about 1800 fps) and that is max in my .218 Bee.  I like to go down to the 30 gr slug because some of the 45 grain (hornet) bullets are too tough and they do not expand.  What I like from these small calibers is the fact that reloading is less expensive and they are lots of fun.  I am definitely interested in the FA 224-32 caliber.  I will be putting some of my beer money away for one of those in the future.

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Re: Inching Up the Learning Curve with the 224-32 FA
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2010, 06:01:13 PM »
Groo here
 Splits on fireforming can be caused by a nick in the case mouth when forming..
 Trim square before you start forming then again before loading.......