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Tom Delay-"Peolpe are unemployed because they want to be."
« on: March 09, 2010, 06:15:37 AM »
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--------Former House Majority Leader (and  former Dancing With The Stars contestant) Tom DeLay argued that extending unemployment benefits "keeps people from going and finding jobs."

On State of the Union yesterday, Candy Crowley asked DeLay about Sen. Jim Bunning's (R-KY) filibuster that delayed the extension of unemployment benefits. DeLay praised Bunning, and added that "there's some studies that have been done that shows that people stay on unemployment compensation and they don't look for a job until two or three weeks before they know the benefits are going to run out."

Crowley pointed out that saying "people are unemployed because they want to be" is a "hard sell."

DeLay responded: "Well, it is the truth." --------


1.  How much money has been spent on these "studies"?
2.  If people only look for work 2 or 3 weeks before their unemployment runs out, why has the government seen fit to extend benefits to over 90 weeks eligibility?
3.  Who of us can honestly afford to LIVE on unemployment benefits anyway, let alone for up to 90 weeks time?

I have other valid points, but am so pi**ed off about this moron I can't see straight.  I work construction, one of the hardest hit employment fields during these last two years.  I worked from 1997 to 2007 with no unemployment at all.  Since 2008 I have had 13 months of unemployment, not continuous.  Our carpenters union has over 1000 members and over 200 of them are unemployed, THATS 25%!  People are losing their cars, their homes, and cannot afford to feed their families, and this moron says "they don't want to work."

I do not know what this guys salary is now or what or why they are even interviewing him now, but when he was the majority party leader made $193,400 a year.  I would love to see this ***** try to make it on unemployment. 

I would like to see congress take the proposed pay cut!

The proposed cut was something like 5%, you going to tell me they can't make it on $183,400 a year, but I am supposed to make it on unemployment benefits for 90 weeks?????

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Re: Tom Delay-"Peolpe are unemployed because they want to be."
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2010, 11:35:10 AM »
Well, I cannot attest to "studies" regarding when people start looking for work while receiving unemployment benefits.

I am, however, still looking for the millions of starving people that are going to result from the welfare reform Clinton signed 15 years ago.

I know that, when I lose my job, I'm going to be doing everything possible to earn money, EVERYTHING!!!!  There is no job that is "beneath" me.  I'll take unemployment if I have to, but if I was single and had no kids, I would not.

The job market is changing.  In 90 weeks, I could have another degree, I could learn another trade, I could complete my Masters in any of 2 dozen fields.  People should plan to change, because change is coming.
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Re: Tom Delay-"Peolpe are unemployed because they want to be."
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2010, 02:49:54 AM »
I bet he wouldn't say that about WELFARE . God forbid he piss that group off !!!!!!!! I've seen people drive up to my in-laws business in a new cadillac , FILL UP a shopping cart with ribeyes , filets , etc. and pay with food stamps . All done by an obviously healthy person who would be more than able to work.

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Re: Tom Delay-"Peolpe are unemployed because they want to be."
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2010, 12:57:03 PM »
I know many people that can't find a job till their unemployment runs out, then Walla! They find one. My wife found one in 3 weeks, pays 2 bucks an hr more, bonuses and more hours. It can be done, never said it was easy. I am a self employed carpenter and look for work all the time, almost a part time job looking for more work but I work. If the O.P. worked 10 years and never got laid off you are very lucky but your time has come. Better have saved for a rainy day.

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Re: Tom Delay-"Peolpe are unemployed because they want to be."
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2010, 02:49:11 PM »
Being out of work is bad. Who do we blame?
Refresh my memory, who did the union support?

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Re: Tom Delay-"Peolpe are unemployed because they want to be."
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2010, 04:05:22 PM »
I know someone in my family who has been unemployed for almost 2 years.  He lives off his unemployment, single, rents a very small apartment.  He even said he was going to milk the system until he had to get a job.  He does do work "under the table" for extra cash though.  Cash only of course.  Sorry, but this is true.  There are plenty of minimum wage jobs out there.  Fast food, restaurants, Wal-mart, grocery stores, etc. 

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Re: Tom Delay-"Peolpe are unemployed because they want to be."
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2010, 04:41:07 PM »
They never consider, "is it morally right to rob some to give it to others?".



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Re: Tom Delay-"Peolpe are unemployed because they want to be."
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2010, 10:00:31 PM »
I cannot attest to the construction field or any area specifically, however, I have known many people who do just as has been accused and discussed here. Lets face it, times are tough and jobs are not readily available to many people. One question is why? I know this is a rather simplistic question with multiple and diverse answers that are complicated and not wholly agreed upon. Looking at the current government and the state in which we find ourselves and the "ideas" it has implemented and one should be able to conclude that we are dealing with an ideologue that is not concerned with the state of affairs we are in; it does not fit their plan of "fundamentally changing America" in that if it requires suffering to obtain a desired state (socialism) so be it. Looking from a liberal/socialist point of view, the last thing you want to have happen is for the people to no longer need your services and your programs. Again a simplistic way of putting it, but one I believe to be accurate. Another area I believe goes into answering the afore question is unions. Lets face it, unions have not really helped. I know this is a controversial stance but I have my reasons which I will generally try and explain some of my main thoughts. First, unions do cost everyone, not just the union members their dues. The added cost to maintain a union in any field is one of the largest cost to any industry. What do I mean? The cost of higher wages, healthcare issues, pensions, job retention, job titles and classifications, etc. Obviously, people want the most they can get out of a situation and I believe paying people decently helps the economy as a whole (Henry Ford should ring a bell), but I am sorry, working on an assembly line does not warrant the money some union jobs receive. I am willing to bet that many of the skilled workers such as construction workers not only work harder (i.e. more physically and mentally demanding) and have a larger learning curve (i.e. on the job sight and schooling) than those mundane and repetitive jobs they are paid less for them and have less security. Secondly, looking at the people supported by unions as an organization have nothing really in common with the rank and file but instead benefit the leadership. The worst, and in my view the most egregious, are government unions. To me this is an oxymoron because those same unions that demand and receive more do so at the expense of the tax payer (including themselves) and does nothing to create new wealth which can only be done in the private sector. It only takes it away thus retarding the growth needed to create jobs; this also applies to taxes as well. Its simple, the more you move money from the private to the public sectors, the less money is available to create the capital needed to grow the economy. But I digress, looking at the state of manufacturing it is plain to see that these jobs have moved else where. I believe the unions are part to blame for this. The business of business is to make money and grow and to do so faster and more efficient than the composition, if cost such as labor make it so one is less competitive, than one looks to change the equation. I do agree with this philosophy but I also do believe that keeping jobs in America benefits America. What I have seen as a fault with this thinking in America is that the dollar, bottom line and especially the short term rule the boardrooms. At the same time because we have moved to a "world economy" it makes it hard to see beyond this thinking. Unions do adhere to this type of thinking in their own right. The old-fashion style of unionism is dead and needs to change its ways. I doubt unions will ever be gone and they do serve a purpose and I venture to guess even industry captains see them as being useful, however they need to move into the 21st century with the rest of the world. One does not have to look far to see what happens when they do not; the auto industry and Detroit.     

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Re: Tom Delay-"Peolpe are unemployed because they want to be."
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2010, 07:41:16 AM »
Well, I could write the answer. But, it has already been done:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/fix-jobs-problem140.html
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Re: Tom Delay-"Peolpe are unemployed because they want to be."
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2010, 09:23:40 AM »
I work construction also and would like to point out some don't care to have their job back as long as they gey unemployment. These are not the honest people they are the lazy ones . I know because i called some back to work and was told it wasn't worth it to come back. Then there are those working under the table and also getting benifits .
 As much as i don't like tom he is correct in many cases . Shame he cherry picks his cases !
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Re: Tom Delay-"Peolpe are unemployed because they want to be."
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2010, 03:23:43 AM »
Ol' Ben Franklin said that people should be made "uncomfortable in their poverty".  He was a wise old guy.
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Re: Tom Delay-"Peolpe are unemployed because they want to be."
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2010, 08:01:45 AM »
I used to be optimistic most of the time.  As I get older and have watched this country shift over my 60 odd
years one thing has become very clear.  We are nearing the tipping point of having a population with a majority of beggars or at least so many that politicians are afraid of losing their votes.  Actions required at this point
are viewed as draconian by the beggars and the liberals who feed them.  The TeaParty movement is only scratching the surface of what needs to be done.  Instituting term limits on congress is the single quickest
patch that can be applied.  Much much more after that but taking away their candy all at once would surely
lead to riots.  What do you think??????????????
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Re: Tom Delay-"Peolpe are unemployed because they want to be."
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2010, 09:57:27 AM »
term limits would be nice but only allowing those who work , pay taxes , own property or serve in the military the right to vote would be a big help also. Can't cater to those who can't elect you .
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Re: Tom Delay-"Peolpe are unemployed because they want to be."
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2010, 12:13:34 PM »
Repealing the 17th Amendment might have benefits.  While I understand the reason for popular vote, the Senate was established, in large part, to be a limiting body upon the scale and influence of centralized government.  Having Senators appointed by States allows for those in the Upper house to be excluded, at least partially, by the slimy electoral process.

Also, a single seat filibuster is an absolute must (40 seats is ridiculous).  That way, only those things with clear consensus ever become law.

Well, it's a thought anyway.
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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2010, 03:34:44 AM »
good idea
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Re: Tom Delay-"Peolpe are unemployed because they want to be."
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2010, 08:07:12 AM »
term limits would be nice but only allowing those who work , pay taxes , own property or serve in the military the right to vote would be a big help also. Can't cater to those who can't elect you .
I remotely remember reading that it used to be that way. Property owners were the voters. The reasoning, at the time, was that it was their money that they were spending, so they should have control of how it is spent.

Of course, then, senators were appointed by state legislatures making them allegiant to states rights and the tenth amendment. The Whig Lincoln put his boot on this when states rights and a Jeffersonian government was forever squashed. The Hamiltonians (Whigs, Republicans) won the fight for a big central government vs. the rights of the people and states. We were doomed in favor of the elite.
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Re: Tom Delay-"Peolpe are unemployed because they want to be."
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2011, 01:06:39 PM »
So people are out of work because they're lazy, huh?  Go tell the guys in an unemployment line! 

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Re: Tom Delay-"Peolpe are unemployed because they want to be."
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2011, 12:10:48 AM »
 While I will agree not all unemployed are lazy and not looking. I can guarantee there are a load of them that are! I know a few. I also know of some union truck drivers who make enough on unemployment and turn down work when called back. The moral fabric of our society is decaying at a very fast rate.

 I also think the unemployment pay scale should decrease the longer you are on it. This would entice a few to take a lower paying job until something better comes along.

 I also believe since the folks up in congress claim to be commoners like the rest of us. They should also take a beating in the wallet like everyone else. A pay cut not a pay freeze(after a raise) Along with that lets cut some of the benefits!

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Re: Tom Delay-"Peolpe are unemployed because they want to be."
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2011, 02:17:51 AM »
Most  of the people I know who are on unempoyment do not start to look for work in earnest until there benfits are close to running out.
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Re: Tom Delay-"Peolpe are unemployed because they want to be."
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2011, 02:35:05 AM »
They are not looking for work they are looking for a job. There is a difference.


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« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2011, 03:30:17 AM »
Tom is absolutely right.  It's just becoming another form of welfare.  What is it up to? Over 2 years of unemployment? Give me a break.  I know a guy who builds houses and was looking for 2 workers, got lots of resumes and almost all of the qualified people wanted to be paid cash so they wouldn't upset their unemployment "benefits".  Get to work ya bums!  There are jobs all over the place!!!
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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2011, 03:33:41 AM »
The truth is that unemployment isn't a simple matter.  Some folks probably do game the system, while others ernestly look for work.  

My daughter and her husband both have businesses and it is a real education to see the problems they have to deal with everyday with their employees.  They are lucky if they get one out of ten people who really come to do a day's work.  The excuses are endless.  When they do find a good employee, they are often a jewel and the most important asset a business can have, but the others are enough to make one wonder why they bother to be in business.

It is worth considering why so many are still streaming across our borders to come here for work if jobs are no longer available.  It sort of says that if you are willing and able to work at almost anything, there are still people willing to pay.  

However, there is no denying that there are millions in this country that are unemployable for a variety of reasons.  What do we do with them?  And if there absolutely are no jobs for some who really will work, what do we do for them?  At some point, unemployment benefits must end.  The same is true about some forms of welfare.  How is it fair that some females are able collect benefits for just popping babies?  That was all supposed to be curtailed, or at least be limited with welfare reform.  

I would prefer that those who seemingly can't find a job after a reasonable amount of time, be put to work cleaning up parks and along roads and highways and other such activities--if they still want a benefit.
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Re: Tom Delay-"Peolpe are unemployed because they want to be."
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2011, 05:51:10 PM »
    abigdiesel
I worked construction 42 yrs. and kept telling the young guys that they were spoiled the last 8-10 yrs. Gee that was mostly during the Bush yrs. even though the union tells you to vote dem. Us older guys lived threw the Carter yrs. and in 1980 you couldn't buy a job. Construction can be seasonal, you have to save and put food up for lay off. You might have to get rid of the Harley, boat, and the big diesel. It's called over extended! Tom's right because in 1980 the UAW workers came out of the city- because the unemployment lines were too long at there local office. Ya I know now it's nice and easy, you can call in or use the computer. Any ways these jurks came out to are small town office bragging that they were getting 90% of there wages and didn't want to go back to work! Most had to stand out in the snow at least an hour just to get in the door because they over loaded the office. Tom's right some don't want to work when they have a deal like that
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Re: Tom Delay-"Peolpe are unemployed because they want to be."
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2011, 02:15:46 AM »
They are not looking for work they are looking for a job. There is a difference.


Doug

Either way they are not looking. If unemployment benefits lasted 6 month they would find a job in 6 months. Just common sense, I guess it just aint that common.
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« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2011, 03:09:31 AM »
I read somewhere that something like 700,000 jobs were taken by immigrant workers last year, while Americans lost 70,000 jobs.  The jobs are there, but are not being taken by American citizens.  Either they want to milk the unemployment compensation to its max or don't want to work.  The immigrants do.  This report also said that 75% Americans who were out of work always find a job within 30 days of their unemployment running out. 

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« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2011, 05:26:04 AM »
This report also said that 75% Americans who were out of work always find a job within 30 days of their unemployment running out. 

Ahhhh, that says a whole bunch right there.....
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« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2011, 05:47:09 AM »
  I didn't hear what Tom Delay said but just one small word makes all the difference;

  If DeLay said,  "ALL of the unemployed people are unemployed because they want to be".  ...He would be dead wrong !

  If he said,  "MANY of the unemployed people are unemployed because they want to be".    He would be dead right !
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« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2011, 05:28:48 AM »
I would agree with him by saying that many people stay on unemployment because it pays more per week than they could find another job for.

A couple years back i got laid off from my job.  I had 6 weeks worth of unemployment insurance being paid to me.  Lets remeber that unemployment isn't welfare.  It's something you and your former employer pay for.  I took two week off as soon as I was laid off.  It took me about two weeks of looking for work every day, several hours a day to find a job that paid more than my unemployment insurance was paying me.  I attended 10 job interviews and told them if they paid me more than my unemployment benefits would pay then I would start the next day.  9 of the 10 employers told me good luck.  The last one hired me and I was making more money than I was at my last job.

Did I feel bad drawing unemployment?  No.  It's not welfare.  Did I find a job before my benefits were up.  Yes.  Sitting around on my ass all day got boring.

My point?  Even in an economicly depressed region of the country, if my benefits would have expried I could have easily found a job.  Luckily I didn't have to because I had the attitude and work ethic to make job hunting my job everyday until I found work suited for me.  There were several jobs I could have applied for that would have paid more than unemployment but would have taken me away from home, Barge work, ect... But I didn't have to consider those fortunately.
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Re: Tom Delay-"Peolpe are unemployed because they want to be."
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2011, 07:45:48 AM »
Last year over 700,000 LEGAL immigrants found jobs in America while acutal citizens lost about 60,000 jobs.  I say pass a law to hire AMERICAN Citizen first, then we wouldn't have to pay out so much unemployment compensation.  Yes Employers pay so much, but after that the extensions are covered by the government, we TAXPAYERS.  One simple law to hire citizens first would go a long way to helping people find work, and if they can get a job paying more than the unemployment they must take it.  The socialist government we have wants more people dependent on the government to maintain their bureaucracies. 

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« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2011, 04:55:52 AM »
Anybody look around and see who the unemployed are?  Lots in construction, lots in heavy manufacturing in the midwest.....

There's a little more to it than immigration.  Lots of it is because jobs dried up in certain industries and areas, and some of those people aren't well suited to instantly convert to computer techs or call center operators.

Many at the low income end of the scale will exhaust their unemployment benefits before seriously looking for work, but I believe that's a small number.  Most would rather work if they can find work they know how to do well.