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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2010, 10:56:24 AM »
Sourdough, do you use ranging and compensating equipment or do you depend on shooting at known or test shot distances? eddie
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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2010, 01:47:56 PM »
how about a 45/70  with a 500gr  lead bullet and a case full of black powder. now thats purdee fun.
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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2010, 02:40:21 PM »


Gotta love them 30-06's ...I just wished Remington would get it in their heads not every one that hunts or shoots keeps their shots at wood lot ranges like many east coasters do..Maybe they just don't realize just how accurate these rifles really are..or perhaps they are a little concerned it might cut into their bolt gun sales :D :D :D :D :D :D

My vote is still on the 30-06...

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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2010, 02:54:35 PM »
The 30-06 is my favorite gun period.  My favorite bullet for the 30-06 is the 165gr Sierria HPBT.  But for real long distance shooting I use a Weatherby Accumark in .338/378 Weatherby.  I shoot a 225gr Nosler Accubond, at 3210 ft per sec.  I have a Night Force 3.5X15X50 scope.  I use a lazer range finder with elevation compensation. 

I shot a Grizzly last Sept at 620 yards, I dialed 580 yards on my scope due to 22 deg elevation.  First shot through both lungs.  I shot a Moose two years ago at 787 yards, one shot.

many people are surprised I shot the Caribou in my avitar at 250 yards with my Handi 30-06, using a 250gr Nosler partition.

Now that I am back home from the frozen Florida, I am going to be going out looking for Wolves myself.  Sky wants to go with me this time as well.  He wants to carry a Mini-14, but I am going to insist he carry an 06 as well.
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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2010, 02:33:02 PM »
Quote from: Sourdough on March 12, 2010, 02:54:35 PM
The 30-06 is my favorite gun period.  My favorite bullet for the 30-06 is the 165gr Sierria HPBT.  But for real long distance shooting I use a Weatherby Accumark in .338/378 Weatherby.  I shoot a 225gr Nosler Accubond, at 3210 ft per sec.  I have a Night Force 3.5X15X50 scope.  I use a lazer range finder with elevation compensation. 

I shot a Grizzly last Sept at 620 yards, I dialed 580 yards on my scope due to 22 deg elevation.  First shot through both lungs.  I shot a Moose two years ago at 787 yards, one shot.

many people are surprised I shot the Caribou in my avitar at 250 yards with my Handi 30-06, using a 250gr Nosler partition.

Now that I am back home from the frozen Florida, I am going to be going out looking for Wolves myself.  Sky wants to go with me this time as well.  He wants to carry a Mini-14, but I am going to insist he carry an 06 as well.

That's a good bullet for the o6' Rog...most people pass it by for some of the more expensive ones now-a-days.. I'll have to pick up a box of them to try when my rifle gets back from Wayne's..

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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2010, 07:20:32 PM »
I've used the .308 in a Belgian Browning BLR for literally everything from field mice to Shirras moose.  I used it in an M14 over the course and at a thousand in competition.
The .308 and the '06 are twins with bullet weights up to 150 gr., 165 and up, the '06 gets a velocity edge, but not necessarily the inherent accuracy that the .308 case gets in most rifles.  I've had 'bum' .308's, and exceptional '06's. 
Long range starts around 600 yards.  It helps to shoot a lot, have a knowledgeable spotter, and be able to dope the conditions.  What you use isn't near as important as knowing how to compensate for the wind, mirage, temp, humidity, and light, and do it while you're shooting.  The only way to learn is practice, and GOOD practice, not just blowing rounds into the berm.
Right now, the hot setup seems to revolve around one of the short, fat cased, 6.5 bores.  The .260 with load development should be a humdinger, and easier on the shoulder than a lot of other rounds, especially if you want to do it in a rifle as light as a Handi......
Good luck, and have fun!
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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2010, 11:27:51 AM »
When I am at the range practicing with the 06 or something else, I usually take my Sportsman in .17HMR along as well.  Before leaving I will go and place a bunch or clay targets on the berm, 337 yards away.  I then sit down and concentrate on breaking those targets with the .17 HMR.  My BSA Sweet .17 scope is only calibrated out to 300 yards, the extra 37 yards calls for a little Kentucky windage so to speak.  Once you have the elevation down it's like shooting ducks in a barrel.  Broken clay every shot.

I have the boys shoot a few at that range also using their .223s.  They are coming along.
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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2010, 11:37:05 AM »
Kentucky windage, Tennesse elevation........
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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2010, 11:44:11 AM »
yep, they go together "side by each", as the old Cape Codders used to say....<><....:)
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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2010, 11:55:20 AM »
Well, I decided on the 25-06 barrel.  Got one on the way.  Will probably spiff up the factory crown (which often seem to be a little rought) and go from there.  May well pick up one of the new handi grip stocks when Midway gets them in a later this month (or so they say).  I am sure this thread could go on for a while, but I am satified for now - until the old itch comes back again..... :D
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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2010, 12:32:39 PM »
.275 Rigby! ;D ;D
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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2010, 05:14:23 PM »
A 25-06 is a good long range choice --- Let us know, after you get it shooting great,, What works  best in your handi ---------  I've thought  a 25-06 barrel would be nice ,,,      Dan             
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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2010, 05:22:45 PM »
Now, with the .243 and the .308, and what else based on the .308 case, why dont they make a .257 on it?
Seems like a no brainer......
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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2010, 05:24:16 PM »
Quote from: guns-o-fun on March 10, 2010, 09:57:42 AM
OK - I am loaded for everything from ground squirrels to elephants as far as hunting goes.  So this question is just about plain old having fun on the "long range" lane at the range (say 200-400 yards).  Any recommendations for a Handi caliber that would offer fun at the range in this regard?  25-06?  280?  45-70 BC?  The more accurate, the more fun and less frustration.
As several have mentioned, if ya ain't got a .30-06, then it ought to be on the short list.  I don't have one for the Handi, and it's on my short list.  

But you also, apparently, don't have a .45-70, and that's one of the most fun calibers to shoot that there ever was.  Got mine last year and love it!!!  Wish I'd had one decades ago.
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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2010, 05:37:31 PM »
Quote from: woodsman85 on March 12, 2010, 01:47:56 PM
how about a 45/70  with a 500gr  lead bullet and a case full of black powder. now thats purdee fun.

YUP!
Something about lobbing them in trips my trigger too.
I'm kind of thinking the .500 S&W, properly loaded. ought to be a fair replacement for the .50-70 as a plinker. That tough brass should last too.
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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #45 on: March 15, 2010, 05:46:12 PM »
25 Souper (25-308 Winchester) 

  There is the 257 Robers and the 250 3000 Savage  both were more popular at one time ..but not 25 cal. in  the 308 case   -- the 308 wasn't a case until about 1957 or close to that ...   Both the Robers and the Savage were very popular at the time   ---
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« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2010, 08:15:11 PM »
Quote from: lee1954 on March 15, 2010, 05:46:12 PM
25 Souper (25-308 Winchester) 

  There is the 257 Robers and the 250 3000 Savage  both were more popular at one time ..but not 25 cal. in  the 308 case   -- the 308 wasn't a case until about 1957 or close to that ...   Both the Robers and the Savage were very popular at the time   ---

And since both were improved..many didn't feel the need at the time either.. The 250-3000 Savage Improved has been said to be the best Ackley Improved cartridge ever designed..and since the case would be for all intents and purpose a 25-308..It would be a damn fine cartridge IMHO..with plenty of brass available..but you would have a bit of a chore with the necks I am afraid..

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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #47 on: March 15, 2010, 09:02:08 PM »
The three most important things to consider...wind, wind and wind!  :)
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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #48 on: March 16, 2010, 11:16:04 AM »
Bladeforger,

Actually, I do have a 45-70 - only not in a handi.  Have a Marlin Guide Gun and love it.  A 45-70 barrel is definitely on the list - maybe even a BC one of these days.  I need to start doubling up on calibers or stop buyin guns (GASP!).   All these different loading dies are getting expensive, and the back of my bench is starting to sink under the weight!  ;D
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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #49 on: March 16, 2010, 03:41:12 PM »
Quote from: guns-o-fun on March 16, 2010, 11:16:04 AM

  I need to start doubling up on calibers or stop buyin guns (GASP!).   All these different loading dies are getting expensive, and the back of my bench is starting to sink under the weight!  ;D

I hope to have that problem one day. ;)
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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2010, 08:19:36 AM »
"Well...200-400 yards isn't a real long shot in my area..so for pure fun...hmmm..a nice bull barrel 243 comes to mind..With the right load for it..getting in the .2's isn't difficult"

THE .2's?!  With a handi-rifle barrel?  That's a bit of a stretch.
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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #51 on: March 17, 2010, 09:02:30 AM »
Quote from: tykempster on March 17, 2010, 08:19:36 AM
"Well...200-400 yards isn't a real long shot in my area..so for pure fun...hmmm..a nice bull barrel 243 comes to mind..With the right load for it..getting in the .2's isn't difficult"

THE .2's?!  With a handi-rifle barrel?  That's a bit of a stretch.

No..not really..




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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2010, 10:25:07 AM »
It seems to me little bullets go a long way flatter than big bullets....for example...wreckhog posted here a couple of days ago that a 50BMG drops 155 feet at 2400 meters.  Astonishing!!  Depending on the weight bullet I'm shooting, my .45-70 drops 2 to 3 feet at 300 yards as does my .50 Huntsman.  Now, there's the fun.  With a .22-250, .223, .25-06, etc, etc. it would be a point blank shot.  The big and slow require a lot more work and are a much greater challenge.  There's a lot more satisfaction ringing a 300 yard gong with a .357, .44 or .45.

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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #53 on: March 17, 2010, 10:42:24 AM »
 Projectiles with similar ballistic coefficients, fired at the same velocity, regardless of caliber,weight or size, have the same trajectory out to around 300yd.
Plain physics, and very useful.
Not to say that the wind does not have differing effects, but in terms of trajectory, the same.

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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #54 on: March 17, 2010, 02:09:58 PM »
Quote from: gcrank1 on March 17, 2010, 10:42:24 AM
Projectiles with similar ballistic coefficients, fired at the same velocity, regardless of caliber,weight or size, have the same trajectory out to around 300yd.
Plain physics, and very useful.
Not to say that the wind does not have differing effects, but in terms of trajectory, the same.

Mac !, you got skills !

Those are mitchell's 3 shot groups my friend..not mine..

I did shoot this 5 shot group with my 30-06 Ultra Comp though..



These were from the same barrel as what mitchell shot his groups..These were fired as fast as I could load them and shoot them..there were 5 groups shot within 3-4 minutes..Sorry the link to the range report doesn't work..and I can't find my 5 shot group shot slowly either..

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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #55 on: March 17, 2010, 02:14:02 PM »
.45-70 is the best IMO the Handi isn't a long range rifle in any caliber.  I own and have owned a bunch of them.
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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #56 on: March 17, 2010, 03:14:53 PM »
Quote from: Swampman on March 17, 2010, 02:14:02 PM
.45-70 is the best IMO the Handi isn't a long range rifle in any caliber.  I own and have owned a bunch of them.

Give me a couple months to get mine back from Wayne..and I'll prove you wrong  ;) ;) ;D

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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #57 on: March 17, 2010, 03:24:24 PM »
Well, I know for the folks out west, 300-400 yards is not a long shot, but at my "local" public range, it is about as far as you can shoot.  I guess a rebore to along barreled 30-06 or something else is always a possibility down the road...wait a minute, its too early to start thinking that way...BTW - nice shooting Mac.  Who says a handi can't shoot.
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« Reply #58 on: March 17, 2010, 03:34:51 PM »
Quote from: guns-o-fun on March 17, 2010, 03:24:24 PM
Well, I know for the folks out west, 300-400 yards is not a long shot, but at my "local" public range, it is about as far as you can shoot.  I guess a rebore to along barreled 30-06 or something else is always a possibility down the road...wait a minute, its too early to start thinking that way...BTW - nice shooting Mac.  Who says a handi can't shoot.

Thanks

Well...right now you got about a 3 month wait from Wayne..so...planning ahead is always a smart thing  ;)

I have limited access to a 400 yard range when I go with a co-worker to his club..and up at 1 area I hunt can take a shot for well over 2000 yards if I wanted to..But realistically where I am shooting from 600-800 would be the max.Most of the other hunting areas I frequent..500-600 yards are the long shots..with as close as 10' possible in the same hunt depending on how I go into the area,and which section I choose to hunt..

When I get mine back from Wayne..I post pictures from the 400 yard range and my groups..

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Re: Best Handi barrel for long range fun
« Reply #59 on: March 30, 2010, 08:10:38 AM »
I've been shotting 1.5" groups at 300 yrds with my 22-250
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