45 colt @ 1100 or so on Hogs the 950 thread got me "thinking" ?

[Tommyt]

.45@less than 950fps on deer

That Post got me thinking why not as the Crowd about Hogs
I am changing this year from my Contenders to six gun Hunting I have a nice
New to me double Holsters and Had to fill it
#1 is a Ruger Black Hawk
#2 is a Beretta Uberti,Stampede
Both these guns will be used for Cowboy and
I have never owned a gun I would not Hunt with
Well maybe one  
SO running a 250 grain Cast bullet at 1100 to 1200
What you think its gonna do
I do have a bag full of 300grn. cast and I've yet to fling any out
Of either gun WHY do I ask about the 250
That is what I have in a Mold and is also what I shoot at the range
I'm so new too six gun's and I feel as long as I'm doing good and so far
I'm hitting targets out to 45yds pretty much where I point these guns
Well THE Ruger the Stampede is New in the Bow and hasn't seen the range
but if I can get it to POA I'll carry it with me Hoggin
If not the Ruger only and the TC in a Back pack for the Long shots
I would say for now until I get more range time the hog shot's will be
kept 75yds and under

Thanks
Tommyt

[Graybeard]

SO running a 250 grain Cast bullet at 1100 to 1200
What you think its gonna do

What I think it's gonna do is take that Uberti made gun apart. Most likely the cylinder will split and the top half will become shrapnel and if you are really lucky and have proper protective eye wear at the time you might not lose either eye but the status of the rest of your body parts is still in question.

Owning two such different strength guns and loading such ammo sooner or later one will find its way into the Uberti whether you intend it to or not. Reading what you wrote it makes me think you actually intend to do it. If you do you'll likely get only one shot from the Uberti before it turns to shrapnel.

[Reed1911]

GB is correct,

He really did not explain that too well in my opinion though.

When you look at the reloading data, there should be two levels of data available. One for the SAA and replicas and one for Freedom Arms, T/C, and Ruger firearms. The FA/T/C data is of higher pressure and will damage the Colt SAA's and replicas like the Uberti. If you are going to load for both, I'd suggest making them in such a way that you never can mistake them for the low pressure loads. Maybe, use only nickle brass for the high pressure loads, or use a magic marker on the base to identify them. Just a safety precaution for your sake.

[Gene R]

I agree with what said...

That load will work great in the BH for hogs or darn near anything else in the lower 48, but the Uberti wont hang and would be very dangerous to try.

[Tommyt]

 Wake Up call
Thanks for giving me the Update
YES I am big enough to say I would have
 Bill(GB),Reed and Gene Thank you
I would more than Likely shot the same
Loaded rounds and as you guys spoke, I would
Possibly could have written my Last Post
To give myself some credit I know I would have read looked
Through the Book and papers in the Box
 The Stampede is New in the Box
I think I may put it up on an Auction
They seem to sell for a good amount of $$and
I bought it right , so I won't get hurt Dumping it
 Hopefully the New Owner will Know if not I will mention it
I have not even cleaned this gun I took it looked it over
and Locked it up I really like the looks and feel of it

OK back to the Hogs
I will use the Ruger or a Seville in 357 Max now that the Stamp is Licked (joke but not funny)
I guess I will use one or the other and that decision will come at the Range,
 what ever gets my Attention and point of aim gets first spot for hunting
 too bad the Ruger wasn't a Max I really like the max as a Caliber for anything I hunt down here

One More time Thank you Gentlemen for the Waring Thank you

 Tommyt

[Gene R]

I think that you will find the Ruger 45lc a better choice for hogs than the 357max.With 250 gr or larger cast semiwad cutter or lfn or wfn at 1100 fps that it will knock a hole that wont stop leaking from both sides.

I have killed several hogs with the Ruger 45lc and 250gr semi-wad cutter at 1000-1050 fps and droped each. The largest was 280lbs and I shot him at 45 yards and blew through both shoulders.

I would save the 357max for deer down to varments.

Good Hunting!

[Tommyt]

Gene
 I don't yet have a chronograph, I have loaded 20 grn. 4227 a 250 cast bullet
in this Ruger 45
If you use this or Close and speed tested it, would you tell me what your Getting

Thanks
Tom

[Lloyd Smale]

your stampede loaded with a 250 at 900 fps will kill any hog living.

[Mikey]

(1) What Graybeard said, absolutely.
(2) What Lloyd said.
(3) What Mikey sez:  Nutz Tommy, send me both revolvers and all your bullets and I will shoot the snot outta both of them and then send'm back for cleaning.  I may keep the Stampede as I like the 1873 style revolver but I may also keep the SB on accounta I used to shoot one to 200m in the metallic silhouette matches and they will handle any 44 magnum load out there.  Just tryin' to be helpful.......... 

[Tommyt]

Mikey
Good Plan I'll sent them drop me a M/O for $1000 as good faith and send me your address
I'll even throw in a few 300 rnfb cast for the good times
 
Tommyt
 

[Tommyt]

Mike I'm Italian
Thats an Offer you shouldn't refuse
 

 Tommyt

[Mike in Virginia]

Never had a .357 Max, and never hunted hogs, but I say with certain conviction that a heavy hardcast 45LC would be a better choice.  Hogs are probably harder to stop than deer, but I my best deer load is a 300grn. moving at the speeds you stated. 

[Possum]

I shot a hog a few years ago with a jacketed 250gr bullet.  Seems like it was around 1050fps.  Went in front shoulder and I found it in the rear ham.  Hog was around 80lbs.  Plenty of power for the hog. 

[EdK]

Your Stampede is a good gun. One solution I've always liked for keeping the Ruger-only loads in the Ruger only is to take advantage of the longer cylinder and only handload them to an OAL which cannot chamber and function in the Stampede. A far better solution than color coding or using nickel brass, marking ammo boxes, etc.

[Tommyt]

Ed
 Thank you for the good Idea, at the moment I have it up for sale ,I really don't trust myself but you have opened up a new door
 I do truly think its a sweet gun, I have been TC all my Pistol Life so I guess its part of the curve .I don't know much about SA six's I do know I am falling for them ,but need to learn more
Tom

[Blackhawker]

SO running a 250 grain Cast bullet at 1100 to 1200
What you think its gonna do

What I think it's gonna do is take that Uberti made gun apart. Most likely the cylinder will split and the top half will become shrapnel and if you are really lucky and have proper protective eye wear at the time you might not lose either eye but the status of the rest of your body parts is still in question.

Owning two such different strength guns and loading such ammo sooner or later one will find its way into the Uberti whether you intend it to or not. Reading what you wrote it makes me think you actually intend to do it. If you do you'll likely get only one shot from the Uberti before it turns to shrapnel.

AMEN!!

[454Puma]

Yep big old .45 LC 255 Lee cast at 950-1100 fps! Equals dead just anything in Lower 48! Up that to 300-325 gr cast at 1000 fps not much you cant kill with it! I love 300 gr WFN's serious thumper!

[Tommyt]

Yep big old .45 LC 255 Lee cast at 950-1100 fps! Equals dead just anything in Lower 48! Up that to 300-325 gr cast at 1000 fps not much you cant kill with it! I love 300 gr WFN's serious thumper!

I just happen to have a Lee that Pours that and a Ruger I can free hand about a softball group @ 40yrd. But I'm still shooting
I think with If needed I could hit a hog Up in the Cranium area I'm thinking I'd take aim toward the top and rear of the head , If not I'll take a Body shot,Hope I don't have to go Looking to far.
 I'm hoping for more of a shooting stick shot

Tommyt

[Blackhawker]

Yep big old .45 LC 255 Lee cast at 950-1100 fps! Equals dead just anything in Lower 48! Up that to 300-325 gr cast at 1000 fps not much you cant kill with it! I love 300 gr WFN's serious thumper!

I just happen to have a Lee that Pours that and a Ruger I can free hand about a softball group @ 40yrd. But I'm still shooting
I think with If needed I could hit a hog Up in the Cranium area I'm thinking I'd take aim toward the top and rear of the head , If not I'll take a Body shot,Hope I don't have to go Looking to far.
 I'm hoping for more of a shooting stick shot

Tommyt

Check out this video and you'll think twice about your 40 yards and your softball sized accuracy.   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WwK_1SFE_8

That hog covered some ground quick!

[Tommyt]

LMAO I love that
What we do, if you get charged (I Have) you hold on then let go with in a few yards #1
If your Green you let go of a lot more LOL
Thank you for show that I'm sure lots will get a Kick  out of it
I'm a bit older now and shoulders are done we used to crawl the Brier tunnels and shoot them
I know this guy Pooh Pooh (not named for hog) was real big he had to good bay dogs
and a Catch he went crawling and the Big Boar come loose some how the Pack "maybe 6/8 ) came
Out using the crawl Pooh Pooh was in, He Literally had Cuts on his back from them running over him
about to laughed till we fell over the boar hog made it and we got a little sow

Tom

[Default]

Yeah this is an old post but never the less,  I sold both my Ubertis  due to wanting the H&R 45. LC and a matching ruger. And I didn't want the uberi golden boy or cattleman to ever get a 1200 FPS load fired from them due to exactly what has been stated.  But in all fairness the 900+ /- 45 lc  never had trouble making a mess out of a hog. And the full freezer stood as testament to that fact.

[gstewart44]

TommyT - when I used to hunt hogs on some private land here in Cent.FL  my load was a Speer 255gr lead SWC at 1000 fps.   Every hog I shot was under 50 yds and weighed between 80 and 280 lbs.     Everyone of those SWC's passed through and killed the swine.  I hunt up in Jawja now but this is still my "Pig Load". 

[Sverre A.]

My pleasent load in my Bisley is H110/20 gr./325 cast at 1050 fps.
In my Winchester 94 it`s 1360 fps.

I can`t see any difference  ;

The bullets penetrate straight through anyway !

[BCB]

I shoot the RCBS 45-270-SAA (283 grains) from my Blackhawk 6-incher…

With H-110 and Lil’Gun, I can get 1218 fps and 1157 fps respectively…

I do consider the H-110 load to be at or very near maximum—I won’t push it any faster.  Lil’Gun might be able to do a bit faster than the H-110, but I am uncertain why a person would want to do so…

Recoil with both of those loads is not pleasant to shoot 25-50 rounds at one sitting.  I ain’t a wimp either!...

Accuracy for both loads is very good at 25 yards (inch or a bit better) and I can hit my 5.5”x11” pendulum at 50 yards all of the time—a good sandbag rest I must say!!!  Can’t do it off-hand as many claim they can!...

Never killed a hog with these slugs, but I really couldn’t imagine needing much more lead and speed.  But I don’t say that from experience.  These slugs will go through 8-inch logs at 25 yards with ease.  As a matter of fact, at one place I shoot on my property, I back the logs up with a piece of ½” steel!  You know when you hit it—nice clang.  At my range, I have an embankment and 2+-foot diameter logs to stop the cast boolits.  I dig them out and reuse them.

Good-luck…BCB

[Ak.Hiker]

My pleasent load in my Bisley is H110/20 gr./325 cast at 1050 fps.
In my Winchester 94 it`s 1360 fps.

I can`t see any difference  ;

The bullets penetrate straight through anyway !

I have shot this load out of my Ruger Blackhawk. Its a good one and plenty for my tastes. It will go through quite a bit of wood in penetration testing. This load is very similar to the CorBon 335 at 1050 factory load. If you do keep both guns I would suggest loading the heavy weight 300 to 325 LBT's in the Ruger and stick with the 250 Keith hardcast at standard velocity in the Stampede. This way you will never mix up the loads. I think it would be quite a bit of fun to hunt with the Stampede. A 250 Keith at 900 is a good load.