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Offline Mike in Virginia

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Two 1911 tests
« on: March 17, 2010, 04:16:05 PM »
This has probably been addressed before, but here 'tis again:

#1 - To test your auto for feed problems, cram as many cartridges into the magazine as it supposed to take.  Lock the slide back and insert the magazine.  Release the slide.  Listen and look for any hesitation in the slide slamming that first cartridge home.  If it's goes forward slower than without a magazine (or an empty magazine), it may have a problem.  You can readily see and hear the difference.  What you want is an unhindered feed.  I think this is especially noticable with an 8 round clip, the ones where the spring is really compressed.  I also think that if that first cartridge feeds smoothly and quickly, you're good to go.  Compare the full magazine slide closure with no clip at all.  (This has nothing to do with extraction problems.)

#2 -A lot has been written about "limp wrist" causing malfunctions.  It's a real world problem, in that combat scenarios where you might have been wounded, or you are weak for any number of reasons, you are prevented from locking your wrist.  The test is to fire your 1911 with the ammo you carry, holding the gun in one hand, and keeping your bottom 3 fingers off the grip.  In other words, the gun contacts the web of your hand and your trigger finger.  That is a very lose hold, so I'll add a warning to take extra care not let the recoil cause you to drop the weapon.  I have owned some 1911's that were flawless with my chosen ammo, except when shot with a limp wrist.     

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Re: Two 1911 tests
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2010, 09:16:45 AM »
Sorry for the stupid / dumb question..... ???

This limp wrist thing is new to me and now you got me wondering.  What exactly is limp wrist?

Is a limp wrist like not holding the 1911 firmly and letting the recoil have its way when i fire it?

Does limp wristing mean holding the 1911 in different positions?

 I think the 1911 would run like any chainsaw would like in any position?  I would think it would even run upside down too if its right.  I would think the slide would move way faster than gravity when upside down.

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Re: Two 1911 tests
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2010, 12:12:46 PM »
"Limp Wrist" is just a weak hold, thus the directions from Mike to hold the gun loosely so it will move in your hand. When held this way the inertia of the slide is lessened by movement of the frame/entire gun, causing misfeeds. Nothing to do with sexual orientation.  ::)

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Re: Two 1911 tests
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2010, 12:39:37 PM »
#1 is not a verifiable test or necessarily a subjective relationship to a concern.
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Re: Two 1911 tests
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2010, 12:42:43 PM »
Sorry for the stupid / dumb question..... ???

This limp wrist thing is new to me and now you got me wondering.  What exactly is limp wrist?

Is a limp wrist like not holding the 1911 firmly and letting the recoil have its way when i fire it?

Does limp wristing mean holding the 1911 in different positions?

 I think the 1911 would run like any chainsaw would like in any position?  I would think it would even run upside down too if its right.  I would think the slide would move way faster than gravity when upside down.

If the slide needs to move 2" to eject and reload the gun and you allow the gun to move 1" to the rear the slide will move 1" ejecting or stove piping the round and will not reload the gun.
But the slide has moved 2" total.  1" on the frame and 1" in your hand.  That is called limp wristed.  It may be your bent elbow, waist, or shoulder that allows the gun to move back in recoil

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Re: Two 1911 tests
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2010, 12:50:52 PM »
#1 is not a verifiable test or necessarily a subjective relationship to a concern.
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I agree.  A spring moving a hunk of metal is going to be a X speed.
Add weight to that hunk of metal in the form of a round and it will move slower.  Add to that the spring tention of the other rounds in the mag and you will have the slide moving even slower.
Are you part of the Obama team that told the President of GM that they can repeal the laws of Physics, they are in charge now.

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Re: Two 1911 tests
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2010, 02:00:28 PM »
#1 has nothing to do with limp wristing.
#2 is about limp wristing.
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Re: Two 1911 tests
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2010, 07:08:46 AM »
Testing the limp wristing sure feels awkward, pistol jumping around, brass going in odd directions, feeling like your going to drop it.  About three mags of this and I had enough.  It does indeed change the way a 1911 acts.  I am glad mine still worked, I can sure see why some would not though.  You are really changing some physics there. 

I would think it would even run upside down too if its right.

Tried that once too....it worked, but I only sent three rounds down range when messing with this.  I think the 1911 is kind of a controlled feed, at least most of the time?  Interesting to try things if your at a place where you can do it safely.  I can't really honestly say I shot enough rounds limp wristing to say mine would always work this way...just too darn awkward to go through that many rounds.  Hopefully if I'm ever too weak to grab the pistol properly it will work enough to get through one mag at least...I hope.