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410 slugs
« on: March 20, 2010, 05:30:26 PM »
 is anybody casting slugs for their 410? if so what mould do you use?
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Re: 410 slugs
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2010, 02:30:32 AM »
I'm in the same boat your in, haven't found anything yet, loaded some 000 2 1/2 inchers for my judge, haven't tried it yet but a 195 gr 357 diameter fits nicely in a wad inserted in a hull, let us know if you come with anyhing

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Re: 410 slugs
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2010, 03:56:43 PM »
I tried soem 200 gr .335 bullets out of my 14" 45/410 encore barrel. They drooped very fast like hitting the dirt about 60 yards out when aiming at 100 yards.

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Re: 410 slugs
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2010, 06:37:58 PM »
I would think that .410 to .412 leads would work, although I haven't attempted it yet.  My dad grew up shooting .45 colts in a std. .410 barrel, although it isn't a great idea with a fixed choke, but they worked.  These from Midway would be a good place to start: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=570204.  If you wanted to use them with a wad/sabot, I'd probably drop to 38's and seat them into the wad with some wool Ox Yoke unlubricated wads to space under them to an acceptable height: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=2046282252 and http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,3371.html for spacing.  Set them so the bullet ends up crimpable with a roll crimp tool like http://www.ballisticproducts.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ROLL41.  Start off light with about 10 gr. Unique or other shot shell powder, I like Unique for loading, because I stock it for my pistols.  Just some thoughts, but I know some of the guys with the .45 Colt/.410's are actually using .458 bullets loaded rifle style into fireformed .444 marlin brass to get decent accuracy by avoiding jumping to the rifling.  8)
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also classics: M903 9-shot Target .22 Revolver, 1926 .410 Single, 1915 38 S&W Break top Revolver and 7-shot H&R Trapper .22 6" bbl.


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Re: 410 slugs
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2010, 03:41:36 AM »
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My dad grew up shooting .45 colts in a std. .410 barrel,
Y'know.....If your Dad did it, there's no arguing that fact. But.....it's not a good practice to shoot .452 (or maybe .454) bullets down a .410 bore. Full choked that .410 bore would be .390. That's quite a squeeze.

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some of the guys with the .45 Colt/.410's are actually using .458 bullets loaded rifle style into fireformed .444 marlin brass to get decent accuracy by avoiding jumping to the rifling.
I'm wondering what guns are involved there.
 Guns that are chambered to shoot both the .45 Colt and the .410 shotshell are chambered for the .45, so the bore is nominally .452. In a firearm like "The Judge" (which is what your friends are probably loading for, otherwise there'd be no jump to the rifling. But being a revolver, I don't see how that solves the jump issue. What guns?  I know of no other firearm that is chambered for .45 Colt /.410 that has a fully rifled barrel), in the Judge the rifling is so shallow that the larger .458 bullets are workable.

About reloading .410 slugs - remember that most .410 slugs are 90 grains weight. Your best bet is to use a lead round ball of approximately that weight. Maybe a .40 cal or so RB. A .40 cal Pure lead RB weighs 96 grains.
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Re: 410 slugs
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2010, 03:06:57 PM »
Sorry, I probably should have organized my post better, because you missed a few things.  I stated that my father shot .45 colts and it probably wasn't a good idea. 

Guys shooting the Comanche .45 Colt/.410 are primarily whom I have read of using the .444 marlin as well as a couple H&R Survivor users.  Once the .444 cases are fireformed to the chamber they can load in the .452 or .458 lead bullets depending on the groove depth of their gun.  The length of the .444 case pretty much fills the chamber, so the bullets are set down slightly on a fiber wad etc. to the depth needed to keep the lead out of the lands.  Thus their bullet doesn't jump from a .45 Colt length case.  You are probably correct that most use .452 bullets and it would be the rarer case to load up .458.

The first suggestion was to use .410 to .412 bullets, balls would also work as you pointed out, if you were shooting from a normal .410.  If you aren't using a plastic wad, or cut the wings off said wad, or use a fiber wad and set them down inside the hull and roll crimp, you would have a slightly heavier slug that could be formed from typical bullets.  There are .410 to .412 bullets in the 180 gr. range.  Developing a load using these would allow him to hand cast his slug and with some modification could add a larger hollow base if he wanted to reduce the weight.  Personally, I think a slow moving 200gr. bullet would be a much better close range deer round than a 90 gr. round ball, but both would work probably.  8)
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also classics: M903 9-shot Target .22 Revolver, 1926 .410 Single, 1915 38 S&W Break top Revolver and 7-shot H&R Trapper .22 6" bbl.


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Re: 410 slugs
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2010, 05:36:19 PM »
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the Comanche .45 Colt/.410
Now there is one that I am not familiar with. I have looked it up. New gun for me to think about.
BPI sells a .410 "Stump" wad has no petals. It'd be a good choice; basically its a cup on top of a gas seal.
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Re: 410 slugs
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2010, 06:06:05 PM »
http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=SCP40000&mfg=Comanche&mdl=All&cat=All&type=All&cal=All&fin=All&sit=Adjustable&zipcode=48858

I was going to buy one, but decided to save up for a New Model Blackhawk Convertible .45LC & .45ACP  which I love.  Some time I'll still get a Comanche, but I just bought a Mossberg 20GA Pump lol.  Was same price as the Comanche, so I couldn't resist. ;)
Tacklebury --}>>>>>    Multi-Barrel: .223 Superlite, 7mm-08 22", .30-40 Krag M158, .357 Maximum 16-1/4 HB, .45 Colt, .45-70 22" irons, 32" .45-70 Peeps, 12 Ga. 3-1/2 w/ Chokes, .410 Smooth slugger, .45 Cal Muzzy, .50 Cal Muzzy, .58 Cal Muzzy

also classics: M903 9-shot Target .22 Revolver, 1926 .410 Single, 1915 38 S&W Break top Revolver and 7-shot H&R Trapper .22 6" bbl.