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« on: November 14, 2003, 12:25:54 PM »
Has anyone used cast bullets in .358 win. what are some cast bullet loads for 180and 200 gas check bullets. I would like them for hunting and  silhouette shooting. I would shoot them in a win. mod. 70 pre 64. Also wher can these bullets be purchased?
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2003, 02:42:32 AM »
i have those weights in 358,,,,customcastbullets.com

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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2003, 06:18:29 PM »
I'm shooting 233, and 277 gr. bullets, both custom molds. They are definitely effective. In the last five days, I have shot a buffalo and a whitetail buck, with no complaints. If you are going to shoot bigger game, I would suggest a heavier bullet.

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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2003, 03:47:15 AM »
waksupi, you say

"If you are going to shoot bigger game, I would suggest a heavier bullet."

    What are we gonna shoot at thats BIGGER than a buff????
You lucky dog. Im jealous.
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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2003, 07:48:56 AM »
waksupi what powders do you like and what velocities can you load them to? I have an mod 70 win with a custom barrel 19 inches long, the only thing I shot with it so far is whitetail deer with 200gr. hornady round nose bullets, and they work very well. Could you tell me about your alloy and if  you use a gas check or not?
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2003, 05:38:49 PM »
CJ, I meant to imply that buffalo was big game, and you wouldn't want to play with a 200 gr. bullet for such a job. The only thing I could say about the bullets, is that MAYBE on the 277, the meplate is a bit too large for heavy skin game like the buffalo. Penetration was about eighteen inches on a head on shot into the neck. Sufficient, but this weight bullet should have gone double that. It was excellent performance on the white tail of course, very little bloodshot meat, and definite authority. For deer, a 200 should be beau coup plenty. For elk, I would definitely stick with the heavier bullets. I'm sure my 233 gr. would do the trick, but I do believe the 270+ size would shoot from end to end in the biggest bull at moderate velocity. I have shot deer with 170 gr.  cast bullets in the 6.5X55 Swede at 1600fps with amazing penetration. It is this experience that makes me a big fan of looooong bullets for the bore size, regardless of caliber.

Dregs, The bullets I am shooting are gas checked, with a large meplate. They are wheel weights. I do oven temper and quench. I did one batch, using 1 part lino to 5 parts wheel weights. The extra hardness was insignificant, and I figured that was wasted lino, and remelted that batch to sweeten other melts. I'll stick with the ww's in the future. They will serve the purpose, as it seems that larger bores will tolorate softer alloys. Although I must say that oven tempered WW's are pretty hard in the cast bullet world!

I'm currently using 41 gr. WC852(F) powder, with shotgun buffer filler, for a slightly compressed load. I'm still working on loads for this rifle, as it is one John King put together for me, and I'm still in the experimental stages.  I want to see what 4064 will do. I think it may be a real winner, as I've had so much luck with it in other calibers, which a friend reminded me of this past week. I got too attached to those super cheap milsurp powders!

Velocity is running at a flat 2100 fps, with less than 3fps average deviation.
I wish all my rifles would shoot that consistant!

The only problem I have run into with the .358 bullets I'm working with, is if I am not careful, they will "bump up" in sizing, and give you a false reading of your seating depth. A good fitting nose punch is necessary, and on the one lighter mold, I need to size before oven tempering, or they will definitely bump from the hardening if not done immediately after the quench.

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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2003, 03:39:52 AM »
Waksupi Thanks for the reply. I don't load cast bullet in my .358 win. yet but i would like to in the future. I use imr 3031 with the 200 gr. hor. round nose killed lots of deer with good results. I also have a load with 158 gr. 357 mag pistol bullets with 3031 powder that shoot to the same point of impact as the 200grs.do, at 50 yds they group about an inch. Keep us posted on your results with the cast bullets in .358 win.
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2003, 05:05:26 AM »
Drags, I do believe you would like playing with the cast bullets. It makes it a lot easier to do lots of off season shooting, money wise. I generally shoot 2-400 rounds a week from various rifles, and buying condum bullets would put me in the poor house.

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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2003, 05:54:52 AM »
I find the 358 a natural for cast bullets.  I mostly use Lyman 358315 and 358318, they are 200 and 250 grain round noses and both are extremely accurate.  I also recently got a 245 grain brass mountain mould that I haven't been able to shoot yet, but the big flatpointed bullets sure do look purty...  250 grain hardcast at 2000 fps ain't nothing to sneeze at, especially out of my little BLR.

regards, and enjoy your 358.

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