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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2010, 06:02:01 PM »
Marlin isn't out of business, just relocating.

Tim

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hGdPLmmpsEk0M-aK4NVxVXPK1WTAD9EMG9N80

Marlin Firearms to close next year

(AP) – 7 hours ago

NORTH HAVEN, Conn. — Marlin Firearms Co., a 140-year-old company which made a gun that was a favorite of Annie Oakley, is closing its Connecticut plant, company officials said Friday.

Workers at the plant in North Haven say they've been told all 265 employees will lose their jobs.

Jessica Kallam, a spokeswoman with Madison, N.C.'s Remington Arms Co. Inc., which owns Marlin, said the Connecticut plant will close by June 2011 and employees would be offered severance and help finding jobs. She said Marlin is relocating its manufacturing operations to an undetermined site.

Kallam could not confirm if all employees in Connecticut are losing their jobs.

She read a company statement that says Freedom Group, which owns Remington, must reduce its costs to remain competitive.

"Although long term prospects of the business look positive, economic factors beyond Freedom Group's control related to increasing costs and pricing pressures within the firearms industry are impacting the entire Freedom Group of companies," the statement said.

Remington Arms bought Marlin for nearly $42 million in 2007.

Marlin's Web site says John Marlin opened the company in 1870 in New Haven after having worked at the Colt plant in Hartford during the Civil War. The company says its lever action 22 repeater was a favorite gun of Annie Oakley.

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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2010, 06:36:27 PM »
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Marlin isn't out of business, just relocating.


I sure hope so Tim!  What's/who's next?
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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2010, 06:54:24 PM »
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The South is not home to too many precision manufacturing people!

While it is easier to hire experienced folks in a place that has lots of them.... I think that babies born in both the north and south are birthed with equal manufacturing skills.  And I think the teenagers probably leave school with about the same....

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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2010, 12:13:50 AM »
I work with a lot of Yankees.  If they are a reflection of what Marlin had to deal with I can see why they moved.
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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2010, 01:44:11 AM »
  Maybe you can tell me Swampman what is wrong with us Yankees? I worked in a furniture factory for awhile in Tennessee. Most ignorant bunch of people i have ever seen. I am NOT saying all southerners are like that but they sure were.
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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2010, 03:03:55 AM »
Hmm; this is all very interesting.  8)   At the time of the Civil War, wasn't most industry located in the North to manufacture the arms and equipment for the war effort? and the South was stifled for lack of it?  Now, from what's being told here is the industries are running to the South.  ::)

In the 1860s the north could roll more iron than the south, and that made the difference.  Now industry spread to the south because they could get cheap labor.  Manufacturing has moved to computer controlled machinery that requires skilled operators, but the time it takes to learn those skills is far less than before.

I hate to see Marlin move also, but I don't think it is a sign of the end.
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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2010, 04:07:27 AM »
It seems this post has gone in a ..."DIFFERENT DIRECTION"
BUT,...As with the progressive thinking of the GBO enterprises, there is a place.
Scroll down, just a bit to....

       Civil War aka War of Northern Aggression Discussion

                    See you there, or then again, maybe not  ;D
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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2010, 04:26:31 AM »
The one article I read said they were closing due to high union wages and prices were getting to high to be competive. So now that they are relocating to cheaper wage areas I sure the prices will come down. Yea right LOL.
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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2010, 04:40:45 AM »
The one article I read said they were closing due to high union wages and prices were getting to high to be competive. So now that they are relocating to cheaper wage areas I sure the prices will come down. Yea right LOL.
 Prices won't come down, but their increase will be more tolerable for the consumer, I'd like to think.
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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2010, 04:46:15 AM »
Well, Rex, what else can they do? The South is not home to too many precision manufacturing people! They have no choice but to get someone off the street. The Northeast, on the other hand, has a work force that has been building firearms, machine tools, precision measuring tools, etc. for 200+ years. A Marlin lever action is actually completely machined. Unlike the barstock Remingtons! Yes, quality will suffer for a while.

You're sadly mistaken my friend.  More precision machine work down south than the rust belt ever had.  Remingtons are machined and forged just like Marlins.  Remington makes the finest firearms in the world and Marlin is one of them.

Ummm, No, the Europeans would argue that the finest firearms are made there, Italy, Belgium, et al, the current Remington product doesn't come close.
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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2010, 05:12:03 AM »
Over 60% of the defense contracts of the U.S. Government are in Texas. That's in the south, and defense products are probably at least as high tech in the machining processes as building a damn rife. If some yankee don't want to buy a southern built rifle he can always take his "yankee ingenuity" ::) and build his own. If they had not elected so many liberals Marlin probably would not be moving in the first place. Seems they missed the boat in the state political arena too.
Don't bring Texas into this, we all know it would make a helluva stand-alone country all by itself. :)
Some people seem to like DPMS,RRA,DTech, and they are made in the North. ;) Will DPMS be the next Cerebrus operation to move?
Yup, the NE is getting exactly what they asked for, vote for libs who regulate and tax them into the ground and then wonder why businesses don't want to stick around. How many times does this have to happen before people wake up?
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Re: Is Marlin moving/closing ??
« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2010, 06:45:32 AM »
From another website "United Technologies Corp. (UTC), Connecticut's largest private employer, is moving out of Connecticut also. Company official was quoted as saying "Anyplace outside of Connecticut is low-cost".

UTC Tells Wall Street: 'Anyplace Outside Connecticut'
March 12, 2010|By ERIC GERSHON, The Hartford CourantNEW YORK — Connecticut's biggest private employer is determined to move more of its operations outside its home state and other "high-cost" locations, a top executive said today at a conference in New York.

"Anyplace outside of Connecticut is low-cost," United Technologies Corp.'s chief financial officer, Gregory Hayes, told Wall Street analysts -- paraphrasing previous remarks by another UTC executive, Jeff Pino, the president of Sikorsky Aircraft.

"Even if work has to stay in the U.S., there are opportunities to reduce cost by moving out of those high-cost locations," Hayes said.
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http://articles.courant.com/2010-03-12/business/hc-utc-outside-connecticut-story-0312_1_hartford-based-utc-hamilton-sundstrand-pratt-whitney

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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2010, 06:47:53 AM »
I think Texas is a perfect example, however just down the road from my house Raytheon and MEMC are either closed or closing, and Texas Instruments is cutting back. We're hurtin round here also, made we're part of the South. The statues on our courthouse lawns do not involve Abraham Lincoln, but instead his opponents. ;)
This is going on all over the country.
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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2010, 08:38:17 AM »
Dee sums it up with his closing comment.  It is happening all over the country.  What I find interesting is that the foreign companies that are coming to the US locate their suppliers in a cluster around the factories.  American companies are infatuated with moving production to low cost countries.  Look how well it worked for GM and Chrysler.  Until the sticking throttles caused major problems for Toyota, they were able to make a good profit using American labor.

Fact is I would be surprised if more than about 10% of the price of a Marlin to a dealer is labor.  6-10% is about the national norm.  The largest costs are in burden costs such as taxes, inventory costs, etc.  In a previous job I worked with manufacturers to determine how to take cost out of their products.  In most cases it was less expensive to move production back into their factories from the "offshore" sites.  Go figure.
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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #44 on: March 27, 2010, 11:09:39 AM »
One more "victory" for our N.E. leftist friends! Contempt for free enterprise, capitalism and profit means more companies will move south.

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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #45 on: March 28, 2010, 05:31:45 PM »
Maybe they're moving to New Hampshire....TM7

Virgina would be better, But Maryland and Delaware are also appealing.
Maryland just missed Forbes top 10 by 1.

Me personally , I vote for Colorado , in Forbes 2009 study they ranked 5th.
and theat least get to keep the "C"  just changes from Marlin of CT...to Marlin of CO.  :D

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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #46 on: March 29, 2010, 02:48:30 AM »
Marlin isn't out of business, just relocating.

Tim
Smells like they are not planning to reopen anytime soon.

Remington executives told investors in early 2009 that the profit margin in its firearms division had dropped — even as sales surged after Obama's election — in part because of Marlin.

"This decrease was primarily due to an unfavorable product mix during the first quarter of '09, including product sales attributable to the Marlin acquisition," said Chief Financial Officer Steve Jackson.


NORTH HAVEN — The Marlin Firearms Co. decision to shut down its plant has left workers stunned, and town and state officials wondering if there is anything they can do to reverse the decision.

The company announced Thursday it would be laying off its 265 employees in phases, starting in May. The shutdown will be complete in June 2011.

Workers said Friday they are sad, angry, shocked and upset. But, only a few would comment as they left the plant at the end of the day shift Friday.

“It’s not too good. Especially now. It’s very hard to find a job,” said one set-up operator, who didn’t want his name used.





“It’s going to happen. It’s just another day,” another said, not wanting to stop to talk about it.

“Everybody’s sad,” said Victor Casso of Hamden, a three-year employee who will be done in three months. “It’s terrible. I bought a house three months ago.”

Roy Gifford, the vice president of brands and research for the Freedom Group, Marlin’s parent company, said Friday that increasing costs played into the company’s decision.

“Even though our long-term prospects of the business look positive, due to economic factors beyond Freedom Group’s control, related to increasing costs and pricing pressures within the firearms industry impacting the entire Freedom Group of companies, we felt like we had to reduce costs,” Gifford said.

No decisions have been made as to where Marlin production will be relocated, he said. He had no comment on whether North Haven employees would be offered relocation.

Who would be laid off and when has been detailed in a closure notice to the state Department of Labor.

For example, the company’s 70 general machine operators — the largest job classification — will be let go from June through February 2011. All 24 assemblers will be gone by December. The 11 polishers will be released from September through next February. About 23 managers and other employees will stay through June 2011.

Gifford said employees who remain with the company until their scheduled departure date will be offered severance pay and company sponsored out-placement benefits.

As news sinks in that Marlin is closing, officials are turning their attention to what can be done to keep the plant open.

First Selectman Michael J. Freda said Friday he is attempting to set up a meeting with executives of Marlin’s parent company, in an attempt to reverse the decision.

Marlin, which began in New Haven in 1870, was sold to Remington Arms Co. in 2007 for $41.7 million. Marlin and Remington are part of the conglomerate overseen by the Freedom Group Inc.

Freda said that if he is successful in getting corporate executives to come here, he would work with state Sen. Leonard A. Fasano, R-North Haven, to have a “meeting on a much larger scale with state officials in attendance.” If not, he said he will go to North Carolina.

“My focus now is to not just accept the decision and do nothing. My focus is now to try to convince them to stay,” he said.

“It all ties in to a larger problem, and that is that Connecticut is a difficult state to do business in,” said Freda, adding he knows of manufacturing facilities in other parts of the country that are four times the size of Marlin, where it costs the same to do business as here.

Fasano and state Rep. Steve Fontana, D-North Haven, as well as Freda, are working with the Labor Department and the state Department of Economic and Community Development to provide workers and their families with what they need.

The legislators, who have spoken with Marlin officials and individuals at the two state agencies, plan to attend an on-site meeting and offer a job fair for employees.

Fasano and Fontana have also requested that the state Labor Department dispatch its Rapid Response Team to educate the workers about job-search assistance, unemployment benefits and training opportunities.

Nancy Steffens, communications director for the labor agency, said that the state has offered its assistance and is waiting for Marlin to accept.

Fasano said he and Fontana are pushing pro-business legislation that aims at preventing similar closures.

“Losing a job is always hard, but it’s especially difficult in this economy,” said Fasano. “Our unemployment numbers, that are constantly on the rise, highlight the need for legislators to be proactive in stimulating our economy.”

“The people who work at Marlin Firearms are part of the community and our first thoughts go towards helping them. Beyond that, we want to make sure we focus on job creation in Connecticut,” Fontana said.

U.S. Rep. Rosa L. DeLauro, D-3, said she was saddened to learn of the plans to close the Marlin plant, and has offered her support to Freda and others.

“With 265 employees, this business is a large part of North Haven, and its loss will have a palpable effect on the community and on the families impacted by job loss. I will continue to work with all parties involved to try and reach a satisfactory resolution to this unfortunate situation,” DeLauro said.

Marlin manufactures a wide range of long guns, from the historic Model 39 and 336 rifles, which are the oldest shoulder arm designs in the world still being produced, to the XLR Series, which are the most accurate lever action rifles in the world. Its lever action .22 repeater, now the Model 39, became the favorite of many exhibition shooters, including Annie Oakley.

There also is a manufacturing facility in Gardner, Mass.

Marlin ranks 14th on the town’s grand list. The assessed value of the property at 100 Kenna Drive is $10.5 million. The town expects to receive $246,500 in tax revenue from the company this year, $92,439 from real estate and $153,454 from personal property.

Freda doesn’t yet know whether the company will continue to pay taxes once it vacates, and he is uncertain of when the impact of the personal property loss will be felt.




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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2010, 03:06:29 AM »
The skill level in the South can match anywhere . The lack of a union attitude in the South makes it attractive to companies looking for independent thinking workers.
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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2010, 03:30:57 AM »
  In fact my guess is that more precision work is done south of the Mason/Dixon line now than above. 
I have been a service tech for almost 20 years. I have worked in factories in every state except HI and MT. From what I have seen I would argue the above statement long and hard. I see the laid back southern attitude following through to final quality.

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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2010, 04:55:35 AM »
I've worked all over as well.  I never see the kind of work ethic I see in the south.  We aren't sheep like the yankees but we do a great job.
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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2010, 12:01:44 PM »
Guys,

Lets skip the north and south stuff. We are all Americans with the work ethic.

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« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2010, 12:54:06 PM »
Guys,

Lets skip the north and south stuff. We are all Americans with the work ethic.


Amen to that!


With the closing of the plant went people with as much as 30 plus years of experience building rifles .....thats hard to beat . What pisses me off is the loss of history .
We're talking about 1870 , that plant built rifles that were a part of our history.
Its more than just a manufacturing plant, they should be registered as historic just like Winchester should've.

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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #52 on: March 29, 2010, 01:38:33 PM »
I think it's odd Marlin isn't announcing where it's relocating to, I can't believe they don't know.  I wonder what they're trying to hide?  Perhaps they're moving out of the country.  I was planning on buying a Marlin this year, but I wonder what kind of quality I'll get.  Why should Marlin employees care how well they do their jobs, they're going to lose them anyway. 
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« Reply #53 on: March 29, 2010, 01:56:14 PM »
Hey Swampman, I think the plant closing sucks!!!!
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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #54 on: March 29, 2010, 02:00:29 PM »
Read Tomray's post on MO, he's a Marlin employee.

Tim

http://www.marlinowners.com/forums/index.php/topic,62209.msg604427.html#msg604427

To All,

I've been quiet for the last few days, as I watch this whole situation develope. I've been contacted via phone and e-mail at home and at work by many of you fellow Marlin Owners posters, and quite simply, the pouring out of concern for my future humbles me!............I Never realized so many people here could be so concerned about my situation within this whole affair.
You all have really touched a cord within me......................Thank you All...........

Please understand,  I can't tell you anymore than you already know at this time, because I don't know any more myself yet. I'm told there will be some Rem people coming in this week as a transition team to tell us how the closing will be done.

This being CT, I've been through all this before, the last company I worked for, was sold by the German owners, and moved to Detroit...........I had the option to relocate to Detroit, and chose not to........ At that  point in my life, I was younger so I had to look at things a little differently than I do now.

In truth, I KNEW this closing was a real possibility when Remington purchased Marlin about 3 years ago. I just didn't know WHEN it would happen.

 I could assign all the blame to Remington, but I won't!................The people that actually laid the ground work for this whole affair are the Politicians in Hartford. Over the years, the CT Politians have made CT a very unfriendly state to do manufacturing in. There have been many other businesses that have closed and re-located to friendlier states with lower taxes and more state sponsored incentives.

I expect to be employed at Marlin throughout this closure, to do what I can, and what they ask of me...........After that, I will be FINE............As I said earlier, I've been through this before.  I'm more concerned about some of my co-workers who are younger, and have families and all sorts of other committments in their lives. 

In closing, I guess I should tell you all, if you're contemplating buying a Marlin. Now would be the time!
I don't expect the rifles to be available again for quite some time, as Remington works to bring them back to the market from different locations with  a different work force that has NO lever gun experience. And even then, I expect some models will not be brought back.

For those of you in, and around Ct, I would like to get together with Ken and all of you for another CT shoot.......I'll need to talk with him, and see if we can't put something together regarding that.

In closing, I'll continue to look in on this site just as I've always done. I'm still a hunter and shooter, and very much interested  my Marlins.............Your NOT gonna' git Rid of me that easy! ::) ::)

Thanks again to all of you for the kind words and good wishes. You've all really touched my Heart.............

My Warmest Regards,


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Re: New Haven Plant Closing
« Reply #55 on: March 29, 2010, 04:07:57 PM »
it seems strange all the new models and products marlin has come out with, even just this spring, if they were planning on shutting down.
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« Reply #56 on: March 29, 2010, 04:59:51 PM »
I'm pretty much getting ready to retire so I it doesn't effect me.
My company has announced most jobs will be relocated to India. The Indians have been coming in to receive training from the US employees who will be terminated-except of course for the top executives. God bless America.

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« Reply #57 on: March 30, 2010, 10:03:31 AM »
I think this is all one big poker game between Marlin, New Haven, the local union, and the state of Connecticut.  Marlin has nothing to lose and was first to act.  Now the action is on New Haven.  Maybe Marlin is bluffing.  Who knows?  That's capitalism at its best.  Its also good poker.

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« Reply #58 on: March 30, 2010, 11:20:41 AM »
If they are moving to NY that's good too.  Remington builds the best, and Marlins will be better than ever.
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« Reply #59 on: March 30, 2010, 12:16:20 PM »
Not to worry the 94 will be back soon !
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