Are things coming to a head!

[bronco73401]

John, you allegedly took the same oath I did. To defend the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. I don't recall an experation date on that oath. I sir, will defend it against ALL enemies. To my dying day. If that means against the mindless ones who follow a socialist so be it.

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Google              us-news, us, government, military, peace, diplomacy By Sgt C USMC

There are two search results for this with comments that were posted yesterday.

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This article that was posted by notnowjohn has been pulled by the author on Newsvine.  What is going on with this story   I read many of the replys and almost all were in favor what he said and now it's gone

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[powderman]

 Our military is made of of our Fathers, Mothers,  aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, cousins, neices, nephews, friends and neighbors. I have a big problem believing I would have to fight them over a president that isn't even American. I hope and pray it doesn't come down to violence. If it does it would be the end of America as we know it. There would never again be allowed private ownership of firearms. We would never again be citizens, but turned in to subjects, much like England. We pray daily for our military and our nation. For the first time in my life I fear my own govt. I see osama and those around him as pure evil, doing the devils work. POWDERMAN. 

[Squib]

the nation isn't supposed to have a standing military because of sentiment like what notnowjohn displayed

I've said before that going after "terrorists" overseas (people in their homes, possibly offering armed resistance when their homes are invaded) is sick, and you now see how sick the heart must be to guide someone to do it.  I was once afflicted with a similiar opinion.. that the means are justified by the ends.  What he doesn't realize is that wisdom CAN overcome logic, and that two wrongs cannot make right.  Unity and strength are NOTHING to a slave and that is what subservient and passive citizens are.  Either he's some ***** that never did enough violence in uniform to actually realize that HE IS THE THREAT TO PEACE AND PROSPERITY, or he never had any incident force him to feel a fear of the same force that impowered him to victimize others.  It'll come eventually, and that is the problem: eventually is after a 17-19yr old boy is out of the service and a 21-23yr old man.  The men regret what they did as boys after the damage is done.  

PS- do you all understand why I fear progressives more than foreign/muslim/arab types now?  Pride and honor can breed monsters from innocent young men with ideals of masculine granduer and endeavors to be some sort of hero.  Remember, when you see comments from the notnowjohn types, and you hear of gun control worldwide and the UN machinations, the military and police here might be froggy enough to jump.

[Squib]

ps- a few points to boost morale

500yd shots while prone at paper targets at a range are impressive, but that's not the real world (USMC requisite)
body armor is a false sense of security (interceptors are not particularly good, not much better than a cop's vest)
communications/radios aren't hard to jam (Iraqis do it all the time!)
americans can shoot better (than most foreign adversaries)
there are a lot more vets than active duty and chances are the vets aren't really keen to being put in check by the military (again, without pay!)
fighting for home instead of some abstract mission is more motivating (because we love our wives more than our platoon sergeants)
old busted guys compensate for a lack of conditioning by shooting more (and lift, and handload, and judo....)
citizens have rights, damn him and all else who would take them from us
most guys in or out of the military probably aren't ******bags like notnowjohn

I sincerely hope he goes to battle feeling like a champion and ends up with his face blown off so he can feel like a chump instead.  While bleeding out and fearing death he needs to think about the difference between a man, warrior and thug.  That's what it took for me, and it worked, so that's not entirely inappropriate and/or hateful. 

[saddlebum]

I'm guessing that Sgt. C hasn't signed up with the Oath Keepers, that Bill O'Reilly thrashed on his show. I guess Sgt. C doesn't realize that if the violence does get that bad it will be because the Constitution is being subverted by the,"fundamental change", that progressives are trying to foist on America. I don't think he understands that he is on the wrong side. Wonder if the strong arms of Hitler or Mao or any other dictator really thought they were doing the right thing by carrying out orders to kill their neighbors? Besides if obama thought he could make that happen why did he speak about an,"Internal Security Force", that he wants to put together,(for civil unrest purposes). And he wouldn't have looked into getting help from UN forces should things get out of hand here in America. At any rate the tough talk from Sgt. C or anyone else doesn't mean anything. There is too many people that still say,"Give me liberty or give me death". As long as they keep squeezing people and making them more desperate by raising taxes and national debt and not letting them work for a living by crushing capitalism, more and more people will become enraged. Heck, they are actually baiting the conseratives into violence. Have you listened to them lately? Things could get really ugly on many levels. None the less, Sgt. C is full of it and all I have to say to him is, bring it on if you must, I ain't scared. I don't want to, but I'd rather die as an American patriot than an American communist!!   Is it just me or is anyone else just sick that we are having these kinds of disscusions now in America? How in the heck did we get here?

[alsaqr]

Would someone please close this thread.  It is making everyone here look like a bunch of knuckle dragging morons.

[Graybeard]

Would someone please close this thread.  It is making everyone here look like a bunch of knuckle dragging morons.

What I might close is your account here. You seem in all your posts to be a totally anti American who supports only those things that tear down this country. What the hell are you doing here among patriots anyway?

[slim rem 7]

 did you get that strong hint ..if you didn t.. it would explain some of your post..nuff said. slim

[powderman]

It is making everyone here look like a bunch of knuckle dragging morons.

I'm no knuckle dragger, I guess I'm trying to convince myself that I have nothing to fear from my govt, but I do fear them for the first time in my life. I fear osama and his followerd more than I've ever feared anything in my life. Theres no doubt in my mind that if he felt the military would blindly take orders, including orders to attack and kill U. S. citizens, he would. POWDERMAN. 

[alsaqr]

You're banned. Bye bye. Graybeard.

[magooch]

It must have been a serious head wound and I'm sorry for that, but wrong is wrong.

Bill, that guy doesn't understand that it ain't polite to spit in your host's face. 

[lee1954]

 I am more worried about hyperinflation  -- our paper money.
My second worry is the Koolaid drinking progressives that want to rule the world.

 I, as a civilian had the chance to talk to someone from the Afgan war when Russia was invading them.

 I have great faith in the freedom loving people of this great country.

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The article that was posted by notnowjohn has been re-written.  It is at    

http://christopher-calbat.newsvine.com/_news/2010/03/27/4080107-a-rewrite-of-a-marines-call-for-peace-and-pause-that-had-been-reduced-into-sheer-irrelevanceand-an-apology      

I wish the comments that were removed following the article on newsvine were still there as all could see that they were in support of the original article.  It was like the comments had been written by the left wing media and the progressives that are currently in control. It shows why there is a growing divide in our great country.  The grey is disappearing and it is becoming more black and white, right and wrong.  The only bipartisan support is that which is against the current trend not for it.  The people are standing up and are now paying attention.  God bless America!

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[steve y]

GB, sounds like he just gave you permission. Alsaqr nice knowin ya!!! As far as fearing our gov. just remember he said that he is in favor of a national security force just as well trained and just as well funded as our military. I've seen the video many times. Chilling. Sounds like a jobs package for SEIU, ACORN, New Black Panthers and other "community orgs" So sad.   PS. http://www.shadowstats.com:80/article/hyperinflation-2010 long read but well worth it. Steve

[S.S.]

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Were did you fight! Son I have been shot twice and stabbed once, It is a close fight when you can get stabbed so I know about combat! And hell, I guess I am a Knuckle dragger because I love my freedom!
The constitution is a piece of paper just like a flag is a piece of cloth. I didn't fight for either! and if you did
you were a brainwashed soldier! I fought to survive and get home to my loved ones! I fought because I flat
did not like the animals we were against! If I were a bit younger I would be dinging ragheads now too.
It was an absolute pleasure to rid the world of a few of them!
Did our fore-fathers fight because of "patriotism" really? I don't think so, they fought againt a corrupt and unjust government taking what they earned with their sweat and blood and giving it to someone else!
Just like what is going on now! History is about to repeat itself.
Breaking a nail in the "Peace Corp" does not count as a combat injury man so quit faking it !
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[nomosendero]

I just love all this cheap talk about civil war.  This crap is being agitated by a bunch of far right TV shills who have never been to war.   Look at that draft dodging puke Rush Limbaugh.  He wussed out of the Vietnam draft because of a sore on his fat cowardly butt and a yellow streak down his back.   

About 145 years ago we had a splendid little civil war:  A lot of people lost their lives as a result.  A major portion of the US was destroyed.  The federal government prevailed and the country was re-united in the end.  The result would be the same today:  The federal gvovernment would prevail and the general populace of the US would be disarmed. 

Get real people.   

I am not a Rush fan, I believe his ego is a bit much, but I am not aware that he has advocated anything of that sort.

[powderman]

SS. Thank you for your service. POWDERMAN. 

[jpred1]

My taxes and your taxes going to protect the thugs in office.Complete corruption.I really didnt think he'd made it this long.WTH????Something has to be done and it appears that Palin may be our only hope,and there are enough numbrains out there to prevent that.

[myronman3]

notnowjohn-

messing with those sorry scrubs in the desert is one thing, who do you think you will face here at home?

    i will tell you who, the people that came before you and know every single one of your tricks and tactics.  and brother, if you think you have seen hardcore, you havent seen a damn thing.  the veterans of this country will eat the active armed forces alive.   there is a rage boiling and you have better pray it is not unleashed because your @$$ will be sucking buttermilk if you are left alive. 
   you talk of wrestling your friend and climbing ropes.....i call you a damn cherry who is trying to be somebody.  you turn on the american people, then YOU are the enemy of the constitution and i will have not one problem honoring the oath that i took and putting you down like a mangy dog.   what do you think "foreign and DOMESTIC" means?   get a clue.   
   there is nothing more vicious than an american protecting his home.  pity the fool who has to find this out the hard way. 
  

[powderman]

There is a rage right now. News  said 300-400 protesters showed up at the capitol in Frankfort Ky the other day to show support for the 2nd. Many had guns on their hips and slung over their shoulders. The media called it an ARMED protest, like they were there to do violence, but they weren't. I've seen coverage of some of these events and turnout is usually dbl what they report if it goes against their liberal agenda. POWDERMAN. 

[BBF]

Something has to be done and it appears that Palin may be our only hope,and there are enough numbrains out there to prevent that.

I used to think that as well    b e f o r e    she is pushing McSame. Bummer

[notnowjohn]

Can anyone here tell me what happened in 1791 and then in 1794. Why would it have relevance today?
Answers:
1791-The Federal whiskey tax.
1794- The Whiskey Rebellion and Washington's military action against that rebellion.

The Whiskey Rebellion demonstrated that the new(US) national government had the willingness and ability to suppress violent resistance to its laws.

All ad hominem statements directed towards me shall be ignored.

[myronman3]

 

[bronco73401]

The whiskey tax proved to be unpopular among small farmers in the western United States, where government officials were prevented through violence and intimidation from collecting the tax. Resistance came to a climax in July 1794, when a U.S. marshal arrived in western Pennsylvania to serve writs to distillers who had not paid the excise. The alarm was raised, and more than 500 armed Pennsylvanians attacked the fortified home of tax inspector General John Neville. The Washington administration responded by sending peace commissioners to western Pennsylvania to negotiate with the rebels, while at the same time raising a force of militia to suppress the violence. The insurrection collapsed before the arrival of the army; about 20 people were arrested, but all were later acquitted or pardoned

See john I can get stuff off that liberal site known as wikipedia as well. What you failed to say is that the whiskey tax was repealed in 1803. And no shots were fired by either side.

You too will be ignored.

[notnowjohn]

In reaction to this, President George Washington recruited a militia force in August, 1794 from the Pennsylvania, Maryland, New Jersey, and Virginia
. This force was derisively nicknamed the “Watermelon Army” by the western Pennsylvania whiskey tax rebels.

When negotiations between federal commissioners and the rebels failed, Washington himself put on his Revolutionary War uniform again and personally led the army of over 12,000 troops into Western Pennsylvania. This force easily put down the Whiskey Rebellion because the farmers, faced with such a large force and notable commander, quickly dispersed. Most of the prisoners that Washington’s army captured were later released due to lack of evidence. Two of the rebels were convicted of treason but were subsequently pardoned by Washington who perhaps did not want to leave bad feelings lingering from this greatest crises of his administration.

Although the Whiskey Rebellion did mark the supremacy of the federal government, it also made the citizens of the states wary of this power. The question of states rights versus the powers of the federal government was not to be fully resolved until after the Civil War.

      

[myronman3]

so what book are you quoting?      i can spot liberal college professor ramblings a mile away.   

The question of states rights versus the powers of the federal government was not to be fully resolved until after the Civil War.

 
  still isnt resolve judging by what i am seeing.   

[teamnelson]

The question of states rights versus the powers of the federal government was not to be fully resolved until after the Civil War.

I don't think its been resolved yet. In fact, it seems to be the new front of the left, particularly on the issue of gun control. Having lost ground at the Federal level, they're advocating State & City sovereignty to regulate firearms use and ownership. We will wind up with no national commonality on firearms laws; 4 states now have rejected all federal firearms legislation, and several more are debating. 27 states, last I checked, had legislation targeted at reminding the Fed about state sovereignty. And more are interested. The stimulus package, health care ... states have rejected the $, and some are working to reject the enforcement of the HC bill in their state.

No, I don't think the question has been resolved. And in fact I think that question is integral to the debate at hand.

[mauser98us]

Don't have to go back to the 1700's. Go back til after WW1 and see what the Gov't did to the bonus marchers in and around Washington DC. These were WW1 service veterans promised different things after the war. There was a small protest with tent cities being set up. The feds  used Nationalized troops against their own citizens vilolating the Posse comitatus laws. And think this was done to citizens that were promised something to them,and the Gov't did not deliver. The Gov't is more aggresive now.

[powderman]

Regular army was used against striking coal miners in KY right after ww1, I believe. POWDERMAN.