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Offline mirage1988

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No pork in the healthcare bill
« on: March 26, 2010, 07:06:42 PM »

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20100326/pl_mcclatchy/3462278

WASHINGTON — Students and their families should find the student loan process simpler, and lower-income students should find more financial help, under the sweeping changes tucked into the health-care legislation that Congress passed this week.

The measure, aimed at taking banks and other private lenders out of the lucrative federal subsidized student-loan market, also would lessen the burden for some graduates as they pay back their loans.

Currently, certain students with low incomes and large loan balances don't have to pay more than 15 percent of their incomes each month on the loans. The new law will lower that to 10 percent.

The changes, which are projected to save the government $61 billion over 10 years, also will forgive the loans after 20 years of repayment, down from 25 currently.

Until now, there have been two federal loan programs. Under one, the government makes loans directly to students, a program that now will be expanded. The other is the Federal Family Education Loan Program. Under it, banks and lenders make loans that the federal government guarantees or insures. It will end July 1 .

The new law still will permit private lending institutions to make private loans, but the federal government won't subsidize them.

"This is a big deal. We've known for decades that subsidies are unnecessary and expensive, and special interest lobbying has kept these provisions on the books," said Pedro de la Torre , advocacy senior associate at the Center for American Progress , a liberal research group.

Richard Hunt , the president of the Consumer Bankers Association , said in a letter to Congress , however, that the bill would have "major negative consequences for American higher education."

Sallie Mae , a major student loan provider, warned that it would be forced to reduce its national work force, now about 8,600 people, by 2,500.

"The student loan provisions buried in the health care legislation intentionally eliminate private sector jobs and student services at a time when our country can least afford to lose them," Sallie Mae spokeswoman Martha Holler said. "Reform did not have to be an either-or proposition; Congress could have achieved its reform and savings goals in a way that helped both students and workers, but instead chose not to."

Budget rules adopted last year allowed the loan provisions to be included in the health care package, and Sen. Tom Harkin , D- Iowa , defended the changes.

Why continue to give "a subsidy to the big banks in this country?" he asked. "We take that money and give it to students in Pell grants."

The bill expands the grants, which go to lower-income students. It provides $13.5 billion for help to pay for projected shortfalls in the program for the next two fiscal years, and increases the maximum award to $5,550 next year and nearly $6,000 by 2017. The current level is $5,350 .

The bill also takes money saved from the middleman subsidies and directs it to a series of other education-related programs. Historically black colleges and universities, Hispanic-serving institutions and tribal colleges would get a $2.55 billion .

Another $2 billion would be spent over four years for community college programs that help unemployed people, while $750 million would go to a program that helps increase the number of low-income students prepared to enter college.

A total of $10 billion from the money that's saved would be used to reduce the federal budget deficit.




Hmmm- If I turn dumcrat I only have to pay 10 percent of my income for my loans,(instead of 15 percent) for 20 years (instead of 25 years)

This is only the start of what is hidden in obamacare------


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Re: No pork in the healthcare bill
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2010, 07:51:41 PM »
think this may actually buy a vote or two   ??
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Re: No pork in the healthcare bill
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2010, 09:25:18 AM »
instead of paying minorities for school attendance/welfare at a "higher education" facility, get them a ged or bulk up the workforce at public schools?  they ain't going to college without a ged and a job.  where will the uncollected money go to?  why is this nation requiring more and more school, more and more degrees, instead of working on the quality of basic education in the first place? 

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Re: No pork in the healthcare bill
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2010, 03:02:13 AM »
The bill itself is the biggest pork bill ever written.

It's a guaranteed income for every corporate vendor, doctor, health professional and bureaucrat in the country.

This is the Golden Ring obama's corporate cronies have been having wet dreams about for years and years.

The state has passed into a caretaker status. It's one of the worst things to happen that could happen.

They'll be telling you no salt, no sugar, no smoking, no walking around with a helmet. It's a prison without bars.


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Re: No pork in the healthcare bill
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2010, 03:24:43 AM »
The bill itself is the biggest pork bill ever written.

It's a guaranteed income for every corporate vendor, doctor, health professional and bureaucrat in the country.

This is the Golden Ring obama's corporate cronies have been having wet dreams about for years and years.

The state has passed into a caretaker status. It's one of the worst things to happen that could happen.

They'll be telling you no salt, no sugar, no smoking, no walking around with a helmet. It's a prison without bars.


I thought that the docs were all quitting medicine because of this bill?

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Re: No pork in the healthcare bill
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2010, 03:50:56 AM »
Not to sure about the amount of PORK in this law but there sure is a lot of BULL in it!  :D




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Re: No pork in the healthcare bill
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2010, 07:04:41 AM »
If the pork were taken out, breakfast would be pretty skiny.
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Re: No pork in the healthcare bill
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2010, 12:45:47 PM »
instead of paying minorities for school attendance/welfare at a "higher education" facility, get them a ged or bulk up the workforce at public schools?  they ain't going to college without a ged and a job.  where will the uncollected money go to?  why is this nation requiring more and more school, more and more degrees, instead of working on the quality of basic education in the first place? 

A college grad today has about the same education as a high school grad from the 50's.
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Re: No pork in the healthcare bill
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2010, 04:09:47 PM »
instead of paying minorities for school attendance/welfare at a "higher education" facility, get them a ged or bulk up the workforce at public schools?  they ain't going to college without a ged and a job.  where will the uncollected money go to?  why is this nation requiring more and more school, more and more degrees, instead of working on the quality of basic education in the first place? 

A college grad today has about the same education as a high school grad from the 50's.

There seems to be less common sense, though.  Dad worked as a handyman, carpenter, and other "menial" trades; he taught all the family how to work, how to use their hands.  And he kep us fed, clothed, housed, and we had more vacations and simple pleasures than I was able to provide my family, and now I see my grandkids living even closer to the wolf's door.
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Re: No pork in the healthcare bill
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2010, 04:29:57 PM »
Strange we are talking about education and student loans in a health care bill. It's not about HC, it's about government control. They just killed at least 2 birds with one stone.
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Re: No pork in the healthcare bill
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2010, 05:07:34 PM »
Strange we are talking about education and student loans in a health care bill. It's not about HC, it's about government control. They just killed at least 2 birds with one stone.

You forgot one thing in that almost perfect response. Its also and foremost about REDISTRIBUTION of Wealth!..... Hey! He said he was gonna do it! Wasn't anybody listening?

Never mind that Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, and a ton of other people said he was gonna make this a third world country. HE SAID HE WAS GONNA REDISTRIBUTE THE WEALTH !  That shudda been the moment that his campaign went south.  It was his "howard dean" screaming moment. But nobody was listening at least not enough.

What did y'all think he was gonna do to redistribute the wealth, come to your house with a gun and take your money? Everything he has done has been to take this country down and REDISTRIBUTE  the wealth to his "constituents".

This pork and this abomination of a law is just more of the same plan!

Everyone needs to write in their Diary, make a poster, put it on  a sticky note or tie a string around your finger and remember how you felt Sunday when you heard That those horses asses passed this BS, and take it to the elections with you  in November and again in 2012!
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