Round Ups Begin in Ohio, Michigan, Indiana

[ironglow]

  I knoi what you mean TN..How quickly the "Homeland Defense" to to label some a Christian terrorist organization and still not even dream of labelling Muslim Terrorist organizations as such. Even when the terrorist Muslims strike, they don't want to call it terrorism, preferring instead to call it "a manmade disaster" !  Osama must be laughing through the mask of his birka.
  One wonders....was this done to divert our attention from the real terrorists or the disaster of Obamacare ?   Camp Davidian and Ruby Ridge both stole headlines for a while !

[teamnelson]

http://www.freep.com/article/20100401/NEWS06/4010419/1318/Hutaree-Threat-or-good-ol-boys

"Hutaree: Real threat or good ol' boys? Militia all talk, no action, defense lawyers argue"

They were infiltrated by an agent who allegedly helped make incendiary devices, and recorded a speech by the leader that sounds like a lot that's said around the pot bellied stove ... I think the prosecution is just mad that they burned a UN flag in their video.

[ironglow]

  Could be, this administration seems to respect the U.N. more than the U.S....or it's Constitution..  Check my latest topic entitled "For liberals who...".

[powderman]

Be interesting to see how this pans out. All references to this group seem to stress CHRISTIAN. POWDERMAN. 

[wreckhog]

Be interesting to see how this pans out. All references to this group seem to stress CHRISTIAN. POWDERMAN.  

Including words on the group's own website. Ie. Colonial Christian Republic

[dukkillr]

It said in the local paper here that their name, "Hunaree" (sp) translated in to Christian Warrior in a "secret language".  The article was quoting the group's own website.  I believe the defense attorney except I think it generally extends to most militias... Lots of hot air, not a lot of action.

[beerbelly]

Has anyone noticed that the under cover FBI guy in these cases, seems to be the one making the bombs and other illegal stuff, but the people he is spying on are the one's to go to jail! This I find a little strange to say the least. Looks like a frame up to me!
                                                           Beerbelly

[wreckhog]

Has anyone noticed that the under cover FBI guy in these cases, seems to be the one making the bombs and other illegal stuff, but the people he is spying on are the one's to go to jail! This I find a little strange to say the least. Looks like a frame up to me!
                                                           Beerbelly

Not all that diffferent than drug cases or contract murder cases. The wife always hires the undercover to kill the cheating husband for $100 and a BJ. Somehow the undercover always gets off and the wife goes to jail.

[beerbelly]

 

                       Not quite the same! In the murder for hire deal, the cop kills no one and is sought out to do the deed. In this case the cop is the one doing the deed. No one hired him to do it.
                                                    Beerbelly                                     

[powderman]

                       Not quite the same! In the murder for hire deal, the cop kills no one and is sought out to do the deed. In this case the cop is the one doing the deed. No one hired him to do it.
                                                    Beerbelly                                     

YEP. POWDERMAN. 

[wreckhog]

                       Not quite the same! In the murder for hire deal, the cop kills no one and is sought out to do the deed. In this case the cop is the one doing the deed. No one hired him to do it.
                                                    Beerbelly                                     

Yep, but no deed was done.

[billy_56081]

Boy some folks can twist things. How can someone have such a random thought process as to compare an undercover agent actually COMMITS a crime by helping manufacture an illegal device and someone being contacted to be contracted to kill someone. So in your random thought patterns is beingf contacted to kill someone a crime?  Please tell us how an asumtion like that popped into your brain.

[bearmgc]

Wow, I would urge folks to slow down  here right now. Interviews of other family of members suggest the leader of this group was starting to go off the deep end, and he researched how to manufacture pipe bombs, and was becoming more extreme, acting on his extreme beliefs. Nothing like what folks here talk about. I am most skeptical of media and the progressive govt intentions too, but please be careful and analytical about this.

[SHOOTALL]

I didn't care for what happened at Waco. Ruby Ridge was bad also as other bad arrest have been . But one has to wonder what would have happened if the people being arrested had gone into court . In the end Ruby Ridge ended in court and justice in a way was served . It was a shame people died and more force was used than needed for sure . At waco what would have happened if they had put down their weapons and walked out ? I don't pretend to know the ansewer but it is how our laws work . Here we will see what happens it may be a good test .

[wreckhog]

Justice means more expensive lawyers. OJ was a good example of this.

[dukkillr]

Justice means more expensive lawyers. OJ was a good example of this.

OJ's in prison.  So is Madoff.  Those two have more money than all the rest of us added together. 

[SHOOTALL]

Lawyers don't mean justice . They just make sure the evidence brought aginst their client smells OK . The state lost the case OJ's lawyers didn't win . If anything could be learned from that case is that all us working to busy to serve on jury duty better re-think that logic. Roll that around in your brain for a few .

[beerbelly]

SHOOTALL they would have went to jail for a very long time! With out the light of mega publicity on a murdering ATF agent, Randy Weaver would still be setting in a cell and none of us would have ever heard of him!
                                           Beerbelly

[ironglow]

Be interesting to see how this pans out. All references to this group seem to stress CHRISTIAN. POWDERMAN.  

Including words on the group's own website. Ie. Colonial Christian Republic

     That is quite true, buit the stupidcide bomber's websites clearly call themselves by Islamic names.."Army OF Allah".. etc.
  Still, the Obamanation admin doesn't stress the Islamic connection and in fact, still call acts of such mad bombers or killers such as that piece of excrement at Fort Hood....just "manmade disasters"..

[victorcharlie]

If they were planning to murder police then they are no more Christian than mcveigh or that westboro cult. POWDERMAN.  

I've got to agree with powderman on this one.

evil is as evil does.

Answering evil with evil is the way of the fallen one.

This is the spirit of Cain who slain Abel his brother; and who will accuse that brother, until his seed be destroyed from the face of the earth.

I ask you, do not become like those things you hate, those things that defile you.  Answer at the ballot box.  We will win in November, and once again grid lock will become the norm.

[steve y]

I agree 100% victorcharlie. The ballot box will be the only way to win. Gridlock beats the hell out of this out of control train wreck. You have to slow the train down before you can stop it and you have to stop it before you can turn it around. Since this came out alot of breast beating has gone on in this regard and it won't get anyone anywhere but in prison or dead. The government only hopes there will be more people that think they can take them on. All the hard work and the educational awakening will all be for naught if anyone wants to take this constitutional enlightenment by means of force. We need to give "US" a chance to change our country back to where it belongs by "US" exercising our constitutional rights to vote to change our country rather than the alternative. Steve

[Graybeard]

We will win in November, and once again grid lock will become the norm.

No I don't believe so. You assume facts not yet in evidence as lawyers are fond of saying at least on TV shows. 

One assumption this makes is that WE are republicans and that by that party winning seats from the dumocraps that we have won something. That ain't necessarily so. It can be but it ain't automatically so.

The problem as I see it is that both parties have the same task masters and no that's NOT us. It's the super rich cabal of folks mostly internationalists and likely most not US Citizens and certain none of whom are loyal to or believe in the values of this country. Both parties at least most folks in both parties do the bidding of these folks. The republicans just have permission to do it more slowly while the dumocraps are charged with forging ahead at break neck speed.

Still the leadership of both parties and most of the folks who hold office from either party are workng in concert on an agenda to remove all freedom and liberty from US Citizens.

So just replacing one party with the other wins nothing and changes nothing. Ya gotta be sure that what you are getting is better than what you are losing first but then ya also gotta work at making sure those running in the fall are the best we can get and make sure the ones who would make the actual changes we want are not kicked aside before the fall elections come around. If they are they changing from dumocrap control to republican control serves no long term goal and at best just slows the pace.

[SHOOTALL]

beerbelly , that is pure speculation on your part 
Would he have if either you or i were on the jury ? Think about it we all need to serve . We send the best of our youth off to die and defend this country but many won't spend the time to sit on a jury and protect our rights .
 And GB what you said are along the same lines we need to back a canidate that will do our bidding not the bank.

[beerbelly]

Shootall, you and I would not get on that jury. I have served on three juries. I would not vote the verdict the judge wanted, no demanded, so I no longer get called for jury duty. It is a farce! they know just what is going on in those so called secret deliberations. When I would not vote as they wanted the judge called us back in and looked right at me and said you must vote the law not what you think is right.
   When we got back in the jury room the Forman said OK you heard the judge. I told him the judge could go to hell. I was not going to change my vote.
     Within in a few moments we had a hung jury and I have never been called again.
                                           Beerbelly

[williamlayton]

These ol boys are just plain stupid and PLAYING at war games---ego trip.
The Feds did them a favor---they protected them from theirownselves.
You cannot prevent anyone who is hellbound wanting to do something.
Blessings

[powderman]

BEERBELLY. You made the mistake of falsely believing that right and wrong mean anything,  they don't, only whats legal in a court of law. POWDERMAN. 

[SHOOTALL]

Not really , the law of the land is  if a jury finds not guilty PERIOD . No its a fact that judges instruct as to how you must vote but in reality if a jury returns a not guilty its that it .
 

[SHOOTALL]

Its really funny that many here will talk about going to arms aginst the fed govt. but are unwilling to stand their ground in a court of law . That's why we have a great country ! Be a part of it the legal way .

[SHOOTALL]

And also if the law is not supported by a jury(s) supporting it in court it won't last long . Its we the people's last say !