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my new SA
« on: March 29, 2010, 09:28:46 AM »
.45 colt new model blackhawk

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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2010, 03:31:40 PM »
That is one beautiful do all shooter you have there.  The ss is such a good looker. 

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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2010, 03:40:22 PM »
Got one of those shiny ones in .357. Those little holes make it kind of heavy but it sure handles recoil well.

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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2010, 07:43:00 PM »
That is a really nice six-gun & the .45 Colt is one of the more useful cartridges there is. I think you will really enjoy it. Let us know how well it shoots. Congratulations.
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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2010, 02:48:04 AM »
thanks. yeah i have a .357 mag vaquero in the shiny nickel and its nice.
but , when i saw this brushed finish with that rosewood grip, i could hardly resist it  ;D
 i saw it in the case, and told the shop keeper " hey let me look at that one !"
i handled it for about 10 seconds and said " i want this, i'll take it, right now" !
and about 15 minutes later , i walked out with it.
 it has a place of pride in my collection, and i cant wait to run a cylinder full of ammo thru it

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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2010, 03:13:45 AM »
Nice!!

Do let us know how it shoots.

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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2010, 03:36:14 AM »
Looks nice, you can't hardly go wrong with a blackhawk.
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« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2010, 05:03:14 AM »
it has a place of pride in my collection, and i cant wait to run a cylinder full of ammo thru it

That wont even get it warmed up.  Better take several boxes.  First day out with my Vacquero 45 I went thru 100 rounds faster than you can spit!  Yeah, better take three....no four....ok five boxes of ammo when you go out.

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Re: my new SA
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2010, 02:56:33 AM »
ok, i'm going to shoot my .45 today. i'm taking a few rounds, not many because i dont have any brass yet, so i'm shooting some factory winchester rounds.
 i'll report what i find,

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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2010, 06:10:21 AM »
Whatayawanna bet it shoots GREAT!  ;D
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2010, 09:46:53 AM »
ok, i'm going to shoot my .45 today. i'm taking a few rounds, not many because i dont have any brass yet, so i'm shooting some factory winchester rounds.
 i'll report what i find,

That factory Winchester ammo is pretty good stuff. I chronographed the WW lead RNFP out of a 4-3/4" at 832.1 fps. They are also very accurate, overall I think they are a good load.
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Re: my new SA
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2010, 10:21:08 AM »
here is what i find so far.
1 the muzzle blast is not as heavy as my .44 mag
2 there is a bit more roll with the .45 the the 44 mag
3 overall recoil seems about the same as my 44 mag
4 the gun points real well and feels good in the hand ( when firing it )
5 the ammo i shot, hit right where i pointed it, out to about 25 yards , with no sight adjustment
so i am lead to believe that this gun will be very accurate
i cant wait to work up a real nice load for this gun and take it out hunting
 and in my opinion, ruger single action handguns are fine running, well built pieces of hardware.


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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2010, 01:46:29 PM »
in my opinion, ruger single action handguns are fine running, well built pieces of hardware.



YES THEY ARE!!!  :)
You have a nice six-gun there, it'll serve you well.
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Re: my new SA
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2010, 04:05:37 AM »
i mic'ed the bore and cylinder throats , and they are right on the money.
the throats are perfect at .4520
when i get my ducks in a row, i'll work up some real nice loads for hunting.
if things work out right, its going to be my primary deer hunter this fall, along with hogs and any exotics i want to shoot, lol

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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2010, 04:36:26 AM »
i mic'ed the bore and cylinder throats , and they are right on the money.
the throats are perfect at .4520
when i get my ducks in a row, i'll work up some real nice loads for hunting.
if things work out right, its going to be my primary deer hunter this fall, along with hogs and any exotics i want to shoot, lol

Mine seem to run abit on the tight side, say .451 to .4515 but so much (for myself) to try and put a square peg in a round hole using the caliper.

I did slug the Cylinders and Barrel on three diff Rugers...Some force is necessary to put the same slug through the same hole twice but in all three cases, the barrel slug would slide through any givin cylinder throat easily but yet seemed to have no wobble at all if I tried to rattle the slug with a pick so I recon that everything is just right.

I also pushed new loose bullets through the cylinders. The .45's are ok as light to moderate pressure with a dowel will get a .452 through them but the .429 in my .44 is kind of loose and prefers a .430 for that perfect slip fit.

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« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2010, 04:57:02 AM »
yeah i find  that i have to check and recheck and measure things over a few times to be sure i have it right.
 my throats measure .4520 and a .451 bullet slides thru nicely, but it take some real force to push a .452 bullet thru.
so, the first of many questions, and this may or may not be the right forum, but would i like to use the .451 or .452 bullets for best accuracy ?
 

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« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2010, 03:57:18 AM »
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but would i like to use the .451 or .452 bullets for best accuracy ?
 

Many of them .451 bullets are designed for the .45 acp and their weight, and perhaps lenght will tell on them...specially the jacketed!

Sierra does make a .4515 as light as 185gr and I thought it would make for a great plinker when I tried them several yrs ago...I did get five of them into 1.338" @ 25yds but they were 7" low in my fixed sight!

These two fixed sights love those .452 bullets in the 250gr to 265gr range. The 300gr also shoots well with a little powder management.

You will have those adjustable sights to play with (as I do but in a SBH) but matching that right bullet weight to the charge still seems to be 2/3rds of it.

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Re: my new SA
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2010, 01:24:31 PM »
i guess my thought was, how large in diameter could i go before i started to run into problems.
 .452 is where my BH is bored, so can i go to .454 or is that just to big ?
should i stay at .452's or where is the wiggle room end ? and does using cast vs. jacketed bullets make a difference ?

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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2010, 02:21:35 PM »
I would use Jacketed bullets as a (control) of sorts, or something that I could check against the bargin brand cast RNFP.

Could not really tell much difference at all and am very happy with the RNFP, WFN, or LFN. I will save the diameter question for others, I like to be able to push the loose bullets through as said and some do take moderate force but I am not really straining hard.

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Re: my new SA
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2010, 06:05:04 AM »
Lessee here...  :-\  Since you asked my opinion...  ;D

how large in diameter could i go before i started to run into problems.

I dunno.   :-\  You asking for a black and white answer to a grey question again ain't cha boy!?   ;)  So, last question to be opined first, you asked:

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does using cast vs. jacketed bullets make a difference?

And I say, maybe!  Depending on what difference you are talking about!   :D  But let's say you mean "optimum" bore fit.  Uh Oh!    :o  There's that word again!   :D  (this is a not so private joke for those that didn't read our last exchange.   :D)  But first I'll tell ya, even though I've got plenty of experience running off with the mouth about things I know nothing about, I'll leave cast bullets to someone else.  I'm still playing with them my own self.  :)

With that caveat, you said:

i mic'ed the bore and cylinder throats...the throats are perfect at .4520

You also said:

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.452 is where my BH is bored,

And your question was:

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can i go to .454 or is that just to big ?

If we assume that jacketed bullets will swage down to a degree  (interesting note here, my hunting buddy once fired a .308 Win in his .270 Ruger #1.   ::)  Don't try this at home kiddys, this guys an expert!   :D ), I imagine we could deduce that we could fire a .454 jacketed bullet in a .452 barrel.  I wouldn't waste the time, but that's not what you asked...  :)

Hi-ebber, and day always be a hi-ebber,  ;D if we make a couple a more assumtions like:
1)  if a bullet's diameter is sufficient to engage the rifling of the bore without stripping at the desired velocity, it is of sufficient diameter for that caliber;
2)  gas "blow-by" is not a concern with jacketed bullets;
we can, by this logic, say we can also shoot the .451 bullets without concern.  And, since you always through in the "optimal" word, if the throats are .452, and the barrel is .452, and we don't want to concern ourselves with "he possible effects of "slugging up" or "swaging down," guess what we would use.   ;)

BTW, my "perfect" throat/bore combination would be .4525 and .4520.  That's my uppercrainial extraction of extrapolated data (an off the top of my head personal opinion!  :D )

Finally you ask:

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should i stay at .452's or where is the wiggle room end ?

I say, and remember we are only talking about jacketed bullets here, that depends on a number of things like what diameters are available in the bullet I want to use, or have on hand, or like, or were given to me, or really want to try, or... well, you get the idea.   ;D

Okay guys!  This is the seminal word on jacketed bullets!    8)  No room for argument here!    ::)  What I wanna hear is all y'all learned opinion on cast bullets!   :o  Oh DARN!  :(  Did I just hi-jack your thread there Scibaer poopsie?   :-[
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Re: my new SA
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2010, 09:08:51 AM »
geeze richard, i dunno what yer saying, let alone if in your hi jacking lol  :o
what is a poopsie  ???

 i picked up a 100 count box of .451 jacketed bullets in 260 grain hollow points by Speer.
i think i'll start right there with them, for  jacketed bullets anyhow.

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Re: my new SA
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2010, 01:25:19 PM »
what is a poopsie  ???

The Urban Dictionary says:

Poopsie
A friendly and cute name for your friends or pets.  As in:  Hey poopsie! How are you today?

That's as good a definition as any.  It's a term used loooooong ago!   ;D

let us know how the 451's do...  ;)
 
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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2010, 04:59:42 AM »
im going to the range today, i got only 20 rounds made up, but as uniform as i can make them.
i do have some factory rounds that i will compare them too.
i'll let ya all know, what i find, how the BH shoots and just how much fun im having..

 

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« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2010, 06:28:34 AM »
yesterday i went to the range. shoot a box of factory stuff and some ( about 1/2 box ) of handloads..
 my BH is as accurate as i could possibly ask for .. i shot all 70 rounds in a group the size of my fist at 25 yards..
  when i dial in the sights and work up really accurate and proper rounds for it, this BH will really hold a group.
and the thing feels hell for stout, the recoil and roll is strong but not un manageable at all, no worse or better then my .44mag
i also sunk darn near into a depression, when i ran out of ammo,  ;D if'n it wernt for my NM vaquero i had brought with me for some load development..
but the .45 shoots smooth and solid and is accurate with the .451 jacketed bullets..
 but i also think that cast will be the way to go for a good hunting round
 

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Re: my new SA
« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2010, 07:19:30 AM »
the .45 shoots smooth and solid and is accurate with the .451 jacketed bullets..

If it didn't happen all the time I'd be excited about being right again...  8)   ;D

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cast will be the way to go for a good hunting round

I tried Veral's WFNGC last year in both 44 and 45.  Used it in my SBH 44 and had plenty of confidence in it.  I like that wide, flat nose!   ;D  I'll probably still use it in my 2 inch 44 carry revolver, but for my hunting I'm sold on the Hornady XTP in 44 and 45.
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« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2010, 09:34:00 AM »
well, it just so happens i'm excited as can be  ;D.
 and the jacketed vs cast for hunting ( thats all im interested in with the .45, hunting ) is another topic all of its own.
 i have shot alot of the XTP's myself, but i've heard so many good things about Veral's cast bullets, i dunno.
 i do know that those .45 bullets make big ole holes though  ;D
my neighbor wont shoot jhp's at all for hunting,  and there are guys that wont shoot nuthin but..
i know i can buy more cast bullets for the same amount of coin, so there is  that to consider ...

i guess it all comes down to what will end up working the best for me and how my BH shoot 'em
 i would like to run any bullet i shoot from my BH at about 1000 fps or so..
and i know you dont like it when i use words that sound absolute, but i believe there are base truths to things ballistic  ;D
 

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« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2010, 10:57:35 AM »
http://www.lbtmoulds.com/orderform.shtml   For info on cast bullets, diameters and such.                                                                                                                 http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/board,114.0.html   Search Veral's forum for info on .45 Colt bullets. There is a new bullet thread on the 1st page.                                                                                                                                                                                   http://www.montanabulletworks.com/   For real LBT cast bullets.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I only shoot cast. Gave up on jacketed for handguns 25yrs ago. I never have to worry about shortages and I save money. I highly recomend LBT bullets. Cast Performance bullets are not true LBTs. They do not use LBT moulds to make their bullets.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I say it is better to have a snug fit in the cylinder with no wobble to get the bullet to hit the forcing cone as square and stablized as possible for consistentcy. I like the same diameter bullet as the cylinder, and that being .001 or .002 bigger than the bore.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 I like 250gr flat nose bullets for everything. I only have one mould and it does everything I want to do. I don't hunt elk with it, but I could.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Bowen sights would be a real nice add on too!!  
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Re: my new SA
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2010, 01:54:25 PM »
thanks for that info Saddlebum.

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Re: my new SA
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2010, 06:48:37 AM »
yesterday i went to the range. shoot a box of factory stuff and some ( about 1/2 box ) of handloads..
 my BH is as accurate as i could possibly ask for .. i shot all 70 rounds in a group the size of my fist at 25 yards..
  when i dial in the sights and work up really accurate and proper rounds for it, this BH will really hold a group.
and the thing feels hell for stout, the recoil and roll is strong but not un manageable at all, no worse or better then my .44mag
i also sunk darn near into a depression, when i ran out of ammo,  ;D if'n it wernt for my NM vaquero i had brought with me for some load development..
but the .45 shoots smooth and solid and is accurate with the .451 jacketed bullets..
 but i also think that cast will be the way to go for a good hunting round
 


Scibaer, you didn't say, but if your New Vaquero is a .45 it's a bit smaller frame than the Blackhawk. I'd load it to Colt levels if it's a .45 & not to Blackhawk levels. That NV is a very nice gun in it's own right too. Enjoy them. The .45 is a very useful cartridge & has been for well over 100 years.
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Re: my new SA
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2010, 08:05:05 AM »
 no, i'm sorry frank. my nm vaquero is chambered in .357mag.
i load it to standard saami levels and its runs real well.
yes its smaller framed then my BH but fairly stout in its own right
i have the 4 5/8 inch barrel , shiney nickle finish with the black plastic grips
im working up a repsectable load for it , so it will work as a backup for the BH on hunting trips and such