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Re: Obama approves offshore drilling
« Reply #30 on: April 01, 2010, 06:39:39 AM »
Yes commrades don't you hate it when those evil big companies make a profit. In the United Socialist States of America we should give that money to the state because they surely will distribute if more fairly now won't they commrades.
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Re: Obama approves offshore drilling
« Reply #31 on: April 01, 2010, 07:19:35 AM »
I don't believe that Obama was against drilling. He wanted to focus on alternative energy, and since he has budgeted $60+ billion for new nuke plants, that is on it's way. Now he is on oil, which I consider a waste of time/money, but he does not. Timelines are weird. 30 years for oil, 5 years for oil, 20 years for nukes, 7 years for nukes, heard it all, from biased sources.

i CANT GET IT TO EMBED, BUT THIS MAY CLEAR IT UP FOR YOU

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Re: Obama approves offshore drilling
« Reply #32 on: April 01, 2010, 07:54:18 AM »
Scooterd:  Don't know where you get that idea that any oil drilled for now will not get into the system till 2030.  That is the rhetoric being spouted by the environmentalist to help stop any drilling and it is wrong.  3 years is all it will take to drill and get the oil into the system.  I got that from the president of one of the local oil companies here in Alaska.  Sooner in southern climates where they don't have to work around sever winters.  The major hold up is getting the permits from the Federal Government, then having them cancel the permit when you are ready to drill. 
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« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2010, 07:57:26 AM »
Oldshooter, this may clear things up for you. This is from almost 2 years ago. Which represented a change of position from 5 years ago. Sounds like Obama is walking the walk.

Ultimately it is not all that different from figuring out what I am doing this weekend. I don't want to go grocery shopping with the wife, but I will if that is part of the overall plan for the family.

Obama said Friday that he would be willing to compromise on his position against offshore oil drilling if it were part of a more overarching strategy to lower energy costs.

"My interest is in making sure we've got the kind of comprehensive energy policy that can bring down gas prices," Obama told The Palm Beach Post early into a two-day swing through Florida.

But on Saturday morning, Obama said this "wasn't really a new position."

"I made a general point about the fact that we need to provide the American people some relief and that there has been constructive conversations between Republicans and Democrats in the Senate on this issue," he said during a press conference in Cape Canaveral.

"What I will not do, and this has always been my position, is to support a plan that suggests this drilling is the answer to our energy problems," Obama added.

"If we've got a plan on the table that I think meets the goals that America has to set and there are some things in there that I don't like, then obviously that's something that I would consider because that's the nature of how we govern in a democracy."

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Re: Obama approves offshore drilling
« Reply #34 on: April 01, 2010, 08:01:24 AM »
Scooterd:  Don't know where you get that idea that any oil drilled for now will not get into the system till 2030.  That is the rhetoric being spouted by the environmentalist to help stop any drilling and it is wrong.  3 years is all it will take to drill and get the oil into the system.  I got that from the president of one of the local oil companies here in Alaska.  Sooner in southern climates where they don't have to work around sever winters.  The major hold up is getting the permits from the Federal Government, then having them cancel the permit when you are ready to drill.  
The challenge is that there is no reason for that oil to go towards US usage 3 years from now. If China wants to buy it all, can't they? As an Alaskan, your priority may be revenue for Alaskans. As a non Alaskan, my priority is energy for Americans. Sometimes these priorities converge, sometimes they don't. Alternative energy is a curse for Alaskans I suspect. You guys don't pay state tax, you actually get paid to inhabit Alaska, due to oil revenue.

Now once those atoms start getting split, it ALL goes to the US.

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Re: Obama approves offshore drilling
« Reply #35 on: April 01, 2010, 08:28:36 AM »
Whats wrong with making money, thats what business do, this President trys to demonize business making money.
DRILL DRILL DRILL, AND STOP SENDING OUR MONEY TO SOME COUNTRY THAT HATES US.
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« Reply #36 on: April 01, 2010, 08:30:16 AM »
Yeah, let's just open commercial deer hunting year round with no limits.

Again, DRILLING does not mean that we stop sending money to countries that hate us. NUKE plants do.

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Re: Obama approves offshore drilling
« Reply #37 on: April 01, 2010, 08:35:18 AM »
Why the hell not, if we have it we don't need theirs

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Re: Obama approves offshore drilling
« Reply #38 on: April 01, 2010, 08:39:34 AM »
Why use our oil? Let's use up all of Saudis oil then when they run out we'll jack up the price of food to them and use our own oil then.
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Re: Obama approves offshore drilling
« Reply #39 on: April 01, 2010, 08:40:49 AM »
what cracks me up is people that think nuclear power is green and the answer.   anyone remember events like 3 mile island and chernoble?   makes an oil spill look like chump change.    

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Re: Obama approves offshore drilling
« Reply #40 on: April 01, 2010, 08:46:07 AM »
Exxon has plenty of oil, they just are in no rush to get it out of the ground for American usage.


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Re: Obama approves offshore drilling
« Reply #41 on: April 01, 2010, 08:46:59 AM »
what cracks me up is people that think nuclear power is green and the answer.   anyone remember events like 3 mile island and chernoble?   makes an oil spill look like chump change.    
Doesn't bother me. Nuke power in America is safe.

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Re: Obama approves offshore drilling
« Reply #42 on: April 01, 2010, 10:38:01 AM »
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Doesn't bother me. Nuke power in America is safe.
  you know, that is the same thing that people near 3 mile island were told, and i am sure the ruskies told the people of chernoble the same thing.     i think nuclear is entirely more dangerous than oil. 

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Re: Obama approves offshore drilling
« Reply #43 on: April 01, 2010, 11:03:58 AM »
Why would drilling be allowed off VA ? hum .... would health care support pay back be ...................
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« Reply #44 on: April 01, 2010, 11:42:19 AM »
Oldshooter, this may clear things up for you. This is from almost 2 years ago. Which represented a change of position from 5 years ago. Sounds like Obama is walking the walk.

Ultimately it is not all that different from figuring out what I am doing this weekend. I don't want to go grocery shopping with the wife, but I will if that is part of the overall plan for the family.

Obama said Friday that he would be willing to compromise on his position against offshore oil drilling if it were part of a more overarching strategy to lower energy costs.

"My interest is in making sure we've got the kind of comprehensive energy policy that can bring down gas prices," Obama told The Palm Beach Post early into a two-day swing through Florida.

But on Saturday morning, Obama said this "wasn't really a new position."

"I made a general point about the fact that we need to provide the American people some relief and that there has been constructive conversations between Republicans and Democrats in the Senate on this issue," he said during a press conference in Cape Canaveral.

"What I will not do, and this has always been my position, is to support a plan that suggests this drilling is the answer to our energy problems," Obama added.

"If we've got a plan on the table that I think meets the goals that America has to set and there are some things in there that I don't like, then obviously that's something that I would consider because that's the nature of how we govern in a democracy."


"Come on man" do you really believe this heap of horse dung?  Do you know that he is a chronic liar, and that he just says things that he thinks people want to hear. You said "It sounds like Obama is walking the walk", and you are exactly right. The idea is to WATCH him and see if he is actually is walking the walk. The only walk he is walking is leading us deeper into the death of this nation.     

I don't think Obama wants energy costs lowered one iota. In his warped mind he sees lower energy costs as bad, because if costs are lowered people will want to drive more places and buy bigger cars. This is the way people like him think. What about coal? We have billions of tons of the stuff underground and have devised ways to burn it cleaner, but Obama has said that he wants to stop burning coal.

Now the one about him wanting to provide some relief to the American People is really funny. Him and his communist congress have really been doing a good job of this.

Do you think the guy knows that America is a constitutional Republic?  If he did he would use the term Republic instead of democracy. Or maybe he just hates the idea of a Constitutional Republic, because he has been doing a stand up job oftearing it down.   
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Re: Obama approves offshore drilling
« Reply #45 on: April 01, 2010, 01:22:24 PM »
This is all I can say about this cause "WE" all know he is a liar and a sleasy Chicago corrupt politian when he isn't being a constitution raper!

This  drilling if it happens wont amount to a darned thing and by his own words(Look it up)  it would take seven years for it to come to fruition. But the tree huggers and leftist aint gonna allow it to happen. HEKNOWSTHAT!

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Re: Obama approves offshore drilling
« Reply #46 on: April 01, 2010, 01:54:20 PM »
OS, boy am I glad wreckhog cleared things up for us with those quotes from "Barack drill here drill now Obama."

It will take forever to drill because his czar in the EPA will make sure it doesn't happen.

Speaking of the EPA czar. I had heard or read that he said that farting increases CO2 emissions, and must be eliminated. What are the congressmen, and all the liberals in Frisco going to do for a pass time once a law is passed for no farting?   
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Re: Obama approves offshore drilling
« Reply #47 on: April 01, 2010, 02:14:29 PM »
I'M TELLING YOU GUYS, Cap and trade/tax is coming next! watch and see, its that or Climate change or immigration reform / amnesty !

Obama has an agenda, and as far as I can tell nothing including the constitution will stop him from achieving his goals.

The bright spot here is that when anarchy comes, I am gonna be prepared! and there will be some retribution!
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Re: Obama approves offshore drilling
« Reply #48 on: April 01, 2010, 05:54:30 PM »
open for exploration is a very loooooooong way from drilling and he knows it , there are plenty of place were there is known and proven oil if he was serious he would just approve drilling there.
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« Reply #49 on: April 01, 2010, 05:58:44 PM »
Are you saying that no one knows how much oil is in these newly opened places? Sounds like the oil companies could score.

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« Reply #50 on: April 01, 2010, 06:02:43 PM »
I'm saying that there is oil in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico and he dont wanna drill there. Alaska is ready its proven! Why is the Virginia coast expendable, could it be a pay off to a virginia Democrat for heathcaw? Splain dat Lucy!
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« Reply #51 on: April 01, 2010, 06:12:00 PM »
Obama's move will represent a victory for Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell, who campaigned last year on making the state the "Energy Capital of the East Coast" and using proceeds from drilling to pay for transportation. (Congress would still need to pass a bill allowing Virginia to receive royalties.)

Most Virginia leaders -- regardless of political party -- have expressed interest in drilling for oil and natural gas, including both U.S. Sens. Jim Webb and Mark. Warner and most members of the state's congressional delegation.

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Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell was joined by a bipartisan group of delegates and senators Wednesday afternoon as he signed legislation that will allocate 80 percent of future offshore royalties and revenues to transportation.
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Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell was joined by a bipartisan group of delegates and senators Wednesday afternoon as he signed legislation that will allocate 80 percent of future offshore royalties and revenues to transportation and the remaining 20 percent to the Virginia Coastal Energy Research Consortium, which researches and develops renewable energy solutions.

House Bill 756, a key piece of the Governor’s ‘Jobs and Opportunities’ Agenda, will allocate 80 percent of future offshore royalties and revenues to transportation (70 percent to Transportation Trust Fund and ten percent to local transportation projects) and the remaining 20 percent to the Virginia Coastal Energy Research Consortium, which researches and develops renewable energy solutions.

Equally important, HB 787 provides a clear statement of the Commonwealth in support of oil and natural gas exploration, development, and production 50 miles or more off Virginia's coast.

McDonnell and members of his administration have been in steady communication with United States Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar expressing strong support for keeping the offshore lease sale on schedule for 2011. These pieces of legislation underscore those efforts and provide valuable evidence of Virginia’s readiness to lead on offshore exploration and drilling.

While signing the legislation, McDonnell remarked, “These key pieces of legislation are necessary to help Virginia become the ‘Energy Capital of the East Coast.’ Virginians understand that this common-sense policy will lead to millions of dollars in revenue as well as thousands of new jobs. Revenue gained from offshore exploration will go directly to two key areas: transportation and energy research and development. Millions of dollars will go towards improving our transportation system that will ensure the free flow of commerce and attract further business investments in the Commonwealth. By investing 20 percent in renewable energy research and production we will ensure that energy sources of the future, such as wind and biofuels, are made more commercially practicable.

“It’s clear that the policy of the Commonwealth is to support both oil and natural gas exploration, development, and production. This is an issue with bipartisan consensus, both of Virginia’s U.S. Senators, and most of our Congressmen agree, that environmentally-safe, offshore energy development is a matter of national and economic security. In addition, we’re sending an important message that we are ready to go, and there should be no reason for Washington to delay the approval of the offshore lease sale and eventually exploration and drilling. Virginia is ready; we hope the federal government will move forward and join us in saying ‘yes’. I thank the patrons of this legislation, and leaders on this issue, and look forward to working with them to ensure Virginia becomes the first state on the East Coast to explore for oil and natural gas offshore.”

Speaking about the need for this legislation, Del. Chris Stolle comments, “Ensuring that revenue from offshore energy exploration goes to transportation and research and development is crucial for the economic viability and security of the Commonwealth. I was proud to carry this piece of the Governor’s ‘Jobs and Opportunities Agenda’ through the House of Delegates this session, and am pleased to see it signed into law today.”

Del. Villanueva adds, “I thank the Governor for his leadership on this issue and appreciate his focus on exploring for both oil and natural gas. Both will enable Virginians to reap revenue for generations to come. I am proud to stand with the Governor and our citizens to signal that Virginia is ready for energy exploration; it is my sincere hope that we Washington will agree and give its approval.”

Sen. Wagner also notes, "I'm pleased that we have made so much progress on moving the Governor's energy agenda forward during the 2010 session. We have come a long way since introducing the resolution asking Congress to lift the moratorium five years ago."

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Re: Obama approves offshore drilling
« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2010, 06:23:32 PM »
Are you saying that no one knows how much oil is in these newly opened places? Sounds like the oil companies could score.

No the companies can explore all they want and find billions of barrels of new oil but they will never get the permits to drill. the process to find and document will take a couple of yrs during which the big o can say he is doing all he can to get new oil in the pipe line but when the rubber meets the road there will be no drilling permits granted.
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« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2010, 06:27:12 PM »
All that BS dont explain why he's avoiding Alaska and the Gulf. and putting the virginia coast at risk for all that pollution!  ::)  And it aint gonna happen anyhow, I say.


 I forgot..... no conservatives are saying we shouldn't drill in Virginia, On the contrary They say drill now! everywhere!   Its the left(you) that worry about "pollution" and climate change.
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« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2010, 07:03:26 PM »
I think that drilling in VA is fine. More structure for fishing. I'd just rather see the effort go to NUKES. But then again, all the Marys are complaining about NUKES polluting or boiling over too. Put a NUKE plant in VA, even better.

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« Reply #56 on: April 01, 2010, 07:14:22 PM »
Are you saying that no one knows how much oil is in these newly opened places? Sounds like the oil companies could score.

No the companies can explore all they want and find billions of barrels of new oil but they will never get the permits to drill. the process to find and document will take a couple of yrs during which the big o can say he is doing all he can to get new oil in the pipe line but when the rubber meets the road there will be no drilling permits granted.
Virginia already has the permits.

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Re: Obama approves offshore drilling
« Reply #57 on: April 01, 2010, 07:57:46 PM »
I've been hearing "we need to develop alternate sources of energy" for over 20 years.  "If we stop drilling it will force us to develop alternate energy" they been saying that too for 20 years.  Aint working folks!  We are still hooked on oil.  The Technology just is not there yet.  When someone does try and develop other sources of energy the public comes out in arms against it. 

Hydro power is a great source of electricity, yet try and build a dam today.  They are making things worse by tearing down dams and making the source of electricity even smaller.  We have not built a new nuclear plant in what 30 years?  Again try and build one of those, aint going to happen.  So what are we going to do for energy?  Wind is not reliable, and no one wants wind turbines in their back yard.  Look at the fuss Ted Kennedy threw up when someone mentioned putting wind turbines up near his place.  Soler is not reliable either, plus the technology just is not there yet to get a profitable amount of energy for the money invested.

At present we need Coal and Oil.  We also need to build a bunch of nuclear power plants like France has, but where can we put them.  Everyone wants the power, but not to be produced in their back yard.
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Re: Obama approves offshore drilling
« Reply #58 on: April 01, 2010, 09:07:15 PM »
Hey guys, I'm not defending big O but he didn't totally shut the door on Alaskan drilling. Yes he closed Bristol Bay, but for the leases sold in the Chukchi and Beaufort,  he is allowing them to go ahead. Granted no more new leases way up north for now. http://www.adn.com/2010/03/31/1206793/bristol-bay-off-limits-arctic.html

As far as Alaskans' view on alternative energy, I think a lot of us support the concept. Heck Anchorage will be faced with rolling blackouts soon due to a shortage of natural gas for them. A bunch of communities have been putting up wind turbines and all sorts of other schemes are being discussed including small nuclear plants, tides, and fish oil.  I was in Dutch Harbor last week and several fish plants create and burn fish oil for a substantial portion of their energy needs.

We may have oil in Alaska but I pay $5.61 a gallon for gas and a lot of places pay much higher- up to $10/gal. Fuel oil is $4.70 or so in my town and a lot of places it is much higher. We desperately need cheaper energy.

Keep in mind hydro electric isn't always green either. We are beginning that debate in our town as we have some marginal options nearby (extremely marginal IMO).

Nearby Naknek /King Salmon is drilling for geothermal exploration; is rumored to have some very promising results right now.
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Re: Obama approves offshore drilling
« Reply #59 on: April 02, 2010, 08:21:26 AM »
All, just remember that during an interview during the campaign he said under his energy plan that prices would necessarily double. In order to pay for all his agenda there needs to be more and more money. VAT is coming as well as higher and higher gas taxes. States will be under extreme pressure financially so each state will tax energy more and more. There are 4 dams on the Snake River that the tree huggers have been wanting to tear down for years. If the people in power are still in the future those dams will come down in the interest of saving the salmon. People do not matter in any of it. Nuclear is the way to go in my opinion but it is even more unlikely to happen than drilling for oil. All of it is rhetoric. The people he is surrounded with are all against any kind of energy that is not green, is carbon based or is nuclear. His energy policy is an environmental policy not an energy policy. Also remember he is not a pragmatist he is a rigid ideologue and will never do what we want to hear like he is saying now. The government has locked up millions of acres throughout the west the past 100 years to keep it out of the hands of the people and corporations. This land will be used to pay our debts to our creditors because our $$$ will have little value to them. The fed keeps printing more and more money to buy its own treasury bonds because there is less and less interest from foreign governments in buying up our debt. Those countries are divesting themselves of more dollars and buying more precious metals and other currency. The secret cabal, as GB says, wants destitution for us all so we will have no choice but to rely on them for everything. Steve