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Thirteen Israeli air strikes hit Gaza Strip
« on: April 01, 2010, 10:21:15 PM »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8600345.stm
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7085438.ece
... and for "balance" ...
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/04/201041224613622604.html

"The air strikes came after a series of rocket attacks from Gaza into southern Israel."

"This is a crossing of the red line, which Israel cannot accept. The Israeli response will be appropriate. It will be strong," Silvan Shalom, the Israeli vice prime minister, told reporters.

Hamas also blamed "the international community and the Arabs" for failing "to do anything about the situation in Gaza".
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Re: Thirteen Israeli air strikes hit Gaza Strip
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2010, 11:03:23 PM »
 And not a single (obviously staged) pic of a teddy bear in of a pile of rubble has been released yet?
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Re: Thirteen Israeli air strikes hit Gaza Strip
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2010, 04:13:47 AM »
If one of my neighbors were throwing cocktails at my house from his yard, I would have a tendency to eliminate the problem also. Or at least issue a strong wound, I mean warning to cease and desist.
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2010, 04:22:41 AM »
And not a single (obviously staged) pic of a teddy bear in of a pile of rubble has been released yet?

No, but there will be. The Godless ones continue to bite the hand that feeds them. Hamas is hoping for civilian deaths, on both sides. They hide behind women and children, fire rockets from rooftops of civilian homes, from schools, even hospitols, hoping that Israel will hit them there. Then the Godless scum can cry and whine about that mean ol Israel killing their LOVED ones. WRONG, they don't even love their own children. I hope Israel either wipes them out or drives  ALL of the Godless ones out of occupied Israel. POWDERMAN.  >:(  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2010, 05:28:22 AM »
Israel always starting trouble we should stop giving them money.  >:(

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Re: Thirteen Israeli air strikes hit Gaza Strip
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2010, 05:38:08 AM »
You're kidding right? :- ???

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Re: Thirteen Israeli air strikes hit Gaza Strip
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2010, 05:43:39 AM »
Israel always starting trouble we should stop giving them money.  >:(

  Israel starting trouble ? What did I miss ? This article   http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/04/201041224613622604.html  explains that there were 20 missles fired upon Israel in  March alone, plus 2 Israeli soldiers killed while thwarting a bomb planting mission by terrorists.
    These bandits couldn't win back the Gaza strip by arms, so after the world pressured her, Israel gave them the Gaza strip free of charge, only recieving the solemn Muslim promise of PEACE...if they got the Gaza strip handed over to them.
   Israel warned the pressuring world leaders (Pollyannas) that the Muslims would definitely NOT keep their promises...simply because they never have. How often does someone have to break promises before we label them as liars and cheats ?
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Re: Thirteen Israeli air strikes hit Gaza Strip
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2010, 06:19:08 AM »




  
Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years. Now I should feel sorry for Israel get the facts Israel started Hamas.

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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2010, 06:30:06 AM »
So, you're kidding, right? ::)

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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2010, 07:02:52 AM »
Israel does not ....turn the other cheek.   They are the Pit Bull of that part of the world. 
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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2010, 07:17:04 AM »
Why would Israel turn the other cheek at this time?

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Re: Thirteen Israeli air strikes hit Gaza Strip
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2010, 09:49:18 AM »
So firing rockets with a kill radius of 50m into a population center is ok if the land is in dispute? There is really no way that you could see this actually being the act of Hamas against Israel. You remind me of the old joke about the Priest who rearends a Rabbi at a stopsign. A cop pulls up, good Irish Catholic boy, walks up to the Priest's car, are you okay Father? Then walks up to the Rabbi and asks, how fast were you going when you backed into the priest?
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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2010, 10:03:43 AM »
Its a matter of Law actually. If Palestinians are firing rockets into hilltop settlements in occupied territories; then they are not firing rockets into israel..they are firing rockets into their own territory.

If the rockets originate from guard posts as the French news report; then those rockets are not from Palestinian militias and among the 20 rockets reported fired.

...TM7

Does anybody else see how insanely illogical this argument is?

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« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2010, 10:07:47 AM »
 TM7, alluding to the suspicious origin of the rockets.....took you less than 24hrs to bring up the "False Flag" scenario again. You can use that rationale only so often until it becomes worn out. ::) Of course, that could be your only explanation for your last assertion, couldn't it?

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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2010, 10:09:23 AM »
TM7, alluding to the suspicious origin of the rockets.....took you less than 24hrs to bring up the "False Flag" scenario again. You can use that rationale only so often until it becomes worn out. ::) Of course, that could be your only explanation for your last assertion now couldn't it?

Here we go again, making up as we go along. False flags and all that.

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« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2010, 10:25:30 AM »
Well, regardless of what anyone else thinks, I think Israel should pound them into the dust, and drive them out of the area entirely. Until Israel does what God instructed them to do, which was to take back ALL THE LAND HE PROMISED THEM, they are going to have this kind of trouble, because they are not obeying God.
Now before any of you anti-Israeli boys get your debate hats on, and pulled down tight, you should all know by now, your wasting your time with me, cause I don't give a damn what you think, or read, concerning Israel. I'm for Israel, and that ain't ever gonna change. EVER! ;)
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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2010, 10:44:53 AM »
You don't like being busted on a totally convoluted series of rationales. OK then, call me what you like. I know what I am in spite of your belief. Its time for Israel to do what must be done real soon. And no thanks on the tinfoil.

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« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2010, 11:55:57 AM »
TM7, 50m in military parlayance is 50 meters. Kill radius is the radius of a cone or sphere originating at the point of impact. So an unguided rocket fired into a population center with the capability to kill anything within 50m, regardless of whether the land is legal in dispute or not, is irresponsible. You did point out unguided, whereas the Israelis used guided munitions and from the reports even from Al Jazeera, only 3 received minor injuries. Judging from the volume of fire, that's pretty impressive controlled fire. From a US military standpoint, we would say that was a judicious use of fire in that it destroyed the targets with very minimal collateral damage. Notice also that the targets were specific to rocket capacity - the Israelis did not target population centers, or foreign visitors. They target the means to manufacture the rockets themselves. Again, judicious use of force, or a measured response.

I will concur that the land in question is in legal dispute. Imagine you and I had large farms that bordered each other and we had a boundary dispute. You and your family decided to picnic in that part of the area that was in dispute, and I lobbed a grenade into your midst. That is a separate criminal act, apart from the dispute, and the dispute itself is not just cause for the action.
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Re: Thirteen Israeli air strikes hit Gaza Strip
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2010, 12:51:44 PM »
  TeamN;
  That makes it pretty clear for MOST ALL of us..

   Dee;
    I'm with you..guess that makes us "Israel firsters"..after God, family, country that is. Bearmgc..maybe you're one also... ;) :D ;D

   TM7;
   The timesonline article TeamN posted said those rockets hit the Israeli city of Ashkelon all morning ..until the Israelis struck back.  Of course, the Gaza strip was handed over on the promise of PEACE..but there has been no peace. So I assume the Gaza strip is disputed territory, and keeping with your deduction the bombing of that disputed territory was perfectly fine...

   BTW: Please tell your friends in the Gaza strip about the wisdom of "bringing a knife to a gun fight" !
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« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2010, 01:25:20 PM »
TM7, alluding to the suspicious origin of the rockets.....took you less than 24hrs to bring up the "False Flag" scenario again. You can use that rationale only so often until it becomes worn out. ::) Of course, that could be your only explanation for your last assertion now couldn't it?

Here we go again, making up as we go along. False flags and all that.


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« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2010, 05:41:46 PM »
Good to see that Israel is a lot like USN Aviation Ordnancemen and "making the world a better place one bomb at a time" ;D.

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« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2010, 06:14:09 PM »
Israel has more patience than I do. During the first Gulf war the Godless ones were daily firing scud missles at Israel, destroying buildings and killing people. Saddam was trying to goad Israel into the fight so his Godless neighbors would come to his aid. Israel wasn't stupid. We asked them to stay out of it and let us handle it, they did. I've lost track of the thousands of missles and rockets the Godless ones  have fired into Israel since then. Israel wants peace badly enough they have given up way to much of their own land for peace, land that GOD himself gave them. I doubt that God is happy about that.  Is there peace??? Of course not, the Godless ones are liars and murderers, their satans handbook teaches them this. Lying and murdering infidels is a large part of their cult. Islam is a false religion, and mohamed was a false prophet. Israel needs to clean house, ALL of it, and get rid of satans disciples in ALL of Israel, especially Jeruselum, Gods Holy city. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2010, 04:39:52 AM »
I do remember several years ago the Israelis were going to blow some guy up and make it look like their good friends the USA did it! But the CIA busted their plot before they could pull it of! No matter what you think they are not our friends. They are just using us!
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« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2010, 05:54:25 AM »
I do remember several years ago the Israelis were going to blow some guy up and make it look like their good friends the USA did it! But the CIA busted their plot before they could pull it of! No matter what you think they are not our friends. They are just using us!
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« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2010, 06:55:27 AM »
TM7, that's a long list of grievances. Probably the other party has one too, granted.
The rockets are not harmless despite their simplicity; the other side uses more sophisticated weapons, granted. So in this dispute, who has presiding authority? No one. Israel is stronger and more able to press their claim, and has done a lot to placate their neighbor. Not as much as some would like yet far more than others. Palestine has made no material contributions. Isn't it interesting that Hamas blamed the Arab world?for what I wonder? Failure to arm them more capably? Failure to directly engage Israel? What is it Hamas wants from the Arab world that they have not done, and why? I hinted at my theory earlier, but I'm open to others.

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« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2010, 07:18:00 AM »
If some here are so convicted about the wrong of Israel, and that they (Israel) are TRESSPASSORS, and should leave the land to the Palestinians whom they believe are the rightful heirs, please by all means transfer that same compassion, and righteousness to yourselves, and if you are Caucasian, please vacate the country you call the United States IMMEDIATELY. I, and others of the Cherokee, and other tribes, would like our land back. You are an interloping, trespassing, heavy handed, conquering thief, just as you say the Israelis are. ;)
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« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2010, 07:52:42 AM »
That's hard to argue with Dee.  Good point.

The arguing over the land is not going away, it goes way back to the bibical times.  It does not matter what I believe, Israel might believe this...

 “And the Lord gave unto Israel all the land which He swore to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And the Lord gave them rest round about, according to all that He swore unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the Lord delivered all their enemies into their hand. There failed not ought of any good thing which the Lord had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass” (Josh. 21:43-45).

It don't matter if I believe this, or anyone else...they might.  Their religion will not be broken easily by negotiating.


The Palestinians claim to be the ancient onwers of Palestine, yet it appears as if they might have taken possession during the Turkish campain about the tenth century A.D.  Accient Israel claim preceeds this by 2300 years. The Palestinians accuse the Jews of stealing their home when most of them moved to Israel AFTER the Jews reclaimed the land from deslolation, and to top that off the Arab relatives own 1000 times more real estate than the tiny boundries of Israel.

If they believe this....it's another thing that won't be broken by negotiations.  

So you have religion with deep roots, and history that goes way back, most people just look at the history since the 60's....I have a feeling those people are looking way back, they have their own ideas.  This problem will never be solved by giving land or anything else to the Palistinans.  

Either way...if you really think Israel needs to pack up and leave due to "Palestine"...(which was never really around until the Romans made it so) then you should be thinking about what Dee said there, because all of this land really does belong to someone else as well, and this land really was taken by the rightful owners by force, according to history.  I would say the orginal owners have a claim on a lot of land in this country.  

I for one would like to stay here and keep living here and thank the true owners for not giving me the boot due to what my ancesters did.
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« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2010, 10:26:45 AM »
TM you know as much about Texas history as you do Israeli history. For centuries the Comanche and Apache kept the tribes from Mexico ran out, and when Mexico as a country claimed it for several hundred years they were able to COLONIZE less than 3,000 folks. Mexico made a deal with a white boy named Austin, and he did the same thing your ancestors did. He stole our stuff, and land. So my beef is with the Comanche, and the Apache, and your an interloping, trespassing, heavy handed, conquering thief, just like the Israelis. Me and the Comanche, and Apache will work things out as soon as you clowns stop interfering and leave. ;) ;D
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« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2010, 11:29:52 AM »
As long as we support Israel, God will support us.
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« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2010, 11:30:44 AM »
And the Lord gave unto Israel all the land which He swore to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.

YES, I do believe this. Those that Israel defeated were idol worshipers and had nothing to do with God. God used Israel to destroy them and gave the land to Israel for their own for eternity, which isn't over yet. The palestinians are not unlike their forefathers, the philistenes. The philistines worshiped idols and other false Gods, the palis worship a false prophet mohamed and have  formed a false religion, islam. All of the Godless ones are descendents of ishmael, Abrahams illigitimate son. They are to be a constant thorn in the side of Israel til Christ returns, they certainly do that job well. The Godless ones are a cancer to the entire world. Read today that Russia is dealing swiftly with the Godless savages over there. Later, have to go clean the church. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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