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New commercial Mauser model 96
« on: April 02, 2010, 05:54:40 PM »
Local shop has a model 96(no not the swedish one) in 7mm Rem mag. Gun is brand new and only $495. 00 bones.  This model locks the bolt down with the bolt handle pivoting forward and backwards. typical German quality and innovation. Question anybody have a experience with them? this model has been replaced by the model03.

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2010, 03:20:23 AM »
I think Brithunter has had experiance with one.
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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2010, 07:53:18 AM »
Hopefully he will come on line soon. Perhaps I should send him a PM

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2010, 01:49:02 AM »
Hi All,

       Well I have been popping in and checking the posts but not had much to add recently. Now the rifle your talkign about I am assuming is oen of these :-











It's a Mauser M96 Slide Bolt and has a double Stoner bolt head, yes it has 16 bolt lugs which engage in the barrel not the action, the one in the photos was mine in 6.5x55 but I sold it to a friend just before Christmas to make room for another Parker-Hale.

The magazine spring is a normal Z spring and not the two coil springs that the booklet that comes with it says. It was a good rifle and accurate too but I really did need the space for that other Parker-Hale. Hope that helps.

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2010, 02:22:10 AM »
Thanks for sharing Brithunter.
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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2010, 05:26:51 PM »
Being it's new, I'm thinking it  is hard to pass up at 495 bones. Any pros/cons Brit?

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2010, 06:55:28 PM »
I never owned one myself but I think that bolt handle will be a long reach.

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2010, 02:47:42 AM »
I never owned one myself but I think that bolt handle will be a long reach.

True, but that would make a difference in a battle rifle, which it isn't.

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2010, 03:34:00 AM »
Being it's new, I'm thinking it  is hard to pass up at 495 bones. Any pros/cons Brit?

Yep the cons are that you cannot strip the bolt as it requires special tools and if you let it uncock it's a swine to re-cock the bolt as I found out on the range one day. Apart from that it's a modern rifle with all that entails. The barrel is free floated and the stock is bedded in some weird plastic stuff and it has a bead blasted non reflective finish all of which I regard as cost cutting measures in production and not the boon the makers would have us believe.

The barrel can be removed after taking the stock off and undoing two allen bolts which retain it to the action. All the bolt pressure is taken by the barrel itself as as I pointed out the bolt locks into the barrel not the action. Oh and the rifle is quite light too.

Actually the bolt is quick to work, I don't get this problem with long bolts/actions, different action stuff  ???, YOU GET THE RIFLE AND USE IT SIMPLE  ;)

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2010, 06:02:08 PM »
I assume from your statement, one can contact the mauser distributor and buy a different barrel and bolt head and install on this action? one thing that has put me off is I am not a big fan of Remington's Big Seven.

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2010, 12:32:32 AM »
Nope as the Mauser company who made these no longer exisits. They were merged or taken over and are no longer even at Obendorf. There are those who are looking for other barrles but as the bolt need special tools I doubt you could change the bolt head quite so easily. The Slide Bolt was designed for the US market but no one told the Germans that the Americans don't like straight pulls in the main part.

The NEW Mauser company makes the Mauser 03.

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2010, 06:42:15 PM »
Thanks for the info. Seems like the Germans wern't told alot! :)Not that it matters. My mom was German and you could not tell her anything!

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2010, 06:40:42 AM »

  And don't forget that they added a big hunk of black plastic on the butt of the bolt, for reasons unknown.  Did they really think that Americans like big hunks of plastic??

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2010, 12:49:11 AM »

  And don't forget that they added a big hunk of black plastic on the butt of the bolt, for reasons unknown.  Did they really think that Americans like big hunks of plastic??

mannyrock,

     Have you actually handled or shot one of these?

     From your tone I doubt it. The rear bolt shroud is not plastic but rubber and it's there to protect those stock crawlers with big noses and fat thumbs. The rubber don't gouge lumps out  ;D. As big lumps of plastic?................... lookign at a lot of the newer vehicles it seem that yes Americans do like big lumps of plastic  :D

   The crew who designed this are probably responsible for the Titan 3 and 6 rifles as the stock is almost identical in profile. The designer of the "Slide Bolt" was poached from Heym if I remember correctly, without getting the book out and checking, now I would have much prefered if they had put a proper polished blue finish and might have kept it if they had but I replaced it with this:-


A Parker-Hale 1200C in 25-06  ;D

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2010, 06:10:17 AM »
Kinda hard not to replace with a BSA or Parker Hale. Long live Nationalism!

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2010, 11:51:42 PM »
Kinda hard not to replace with a BSA or Parker Hale. Long live Nationalism!

No not nationalism it's that I collect BSA and Parker-Hales  ;) and I didn't have a 1200C and I wanted a rifle with a threaded muzzle for use with a Sound Moderator (Silencer) and did not want to have any of mine altered. Now since then I have threaded the muzzle of the Sporterised swedish Mauser and removed the iron sights all it requires now to really complete the process is to replace the std flag saety and possibly the trigger why the company who sporterised it left these military bits I have often wondered  ???.

 Now to complete the P-H 1200 series I still need to find these:-

1200P
1200CM (Magnum with drop magazine)
1200M

   and of course they are all mauser 98 actions  ;D.

     Plus I still have the DWM M93 in 7x57 and the Hunsqvarna Model 46 along with the sporterised Swedish mauser. I sold my last military rifle just before Christmas and that was a Martini Enfield AC11 in 303. All I have is sporting/hunting rifles now with a couple of target rifles, a BSA 12/15, Sportco M44 and I am just about to pick up a P-H 1200TX single shot target rifle.

   Sorry but I just prefer the older rifles to modern ones and the M96 Slide Bolt is distnctly modern with it's tubular reciever bead blasted matt finish and free floated barrel. I happen to know where there are two brand new M96 slide Bolts in a gunshop, a .243 and a .308 compelete with mounts as they came here in the UK and he has had them in stock for five years to my knowledge. They are an acquired taste so to speak  :-\ I did see a nice photo from my stalking guide of a client with a Roe Buck taken last week and he was using s M96 Slide Bolt. That makes him the third person that I know of that brought one. Myself and another BSRC club member being the other two.

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2010, 02:36:00 AM »
Hi
I have used a 96 mauser in .308 since 1996 the year they were first released have shot 105 red deer a couple a fallow deer a few hogs one chamoius, a couple of thar and more feral goats than you could fit on noahs ark.Ihave QD lepold mounts and a 2-7 lepold scope. The rifle was a bit ahead of its time and a few design faults but for its time it had quite a sophisticated bedding system . On balance it is an oustanding rifle . Mine is so accurate it scares me and short of semi auto you want find anything faster.Most of the stuff you read about theese rifles has been written by people who have never fired one.lake of caming power on extration is often tauted as a fault all i can say about this is people should learn how to reload properly. The 96 mausers have a tight chamber so you need to put plenty of pain on you brass when reloading. if you use secound hand brass fired in a sloppy chamber you will ned to srew your dies down a bit. the main fault is the microscopic extractor while it dosnt seem to have trouble hooking the brass out it is only held in place by spring pressure.  If when face with a charging animal you double charge the rifle the extractor while fly off and also if you arnt carefull when cleaning you can also dislodge it. i was lucky enough to find mine in the bottom of the magazine well. the other main fault is if you close the bolt when the rifle is at your side it will snag your clothing and also as with any fine peace of machinery they dont like dust.Also you need to sand of some wood from the underside of bolt handle and seal it so it dosnt bind in wet weather.i will in clude a picture to show the correct way to mount a scope on a 96.

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2010, 05:52:59 AM »
Hmmm I must have been lucky with mine as I never had any trouble with the extractor at all not did I need to do anything to the stock. I did toy with the idea of getting a nice rounded Horn fore tip fitted but it never got any futher than making enquiries. The tip of the stock sort of seemed unfished to me. If I had not needed the room to get the Parker-Hale then I doubt I would have sold it as yes it shot well it's not that I didn't like it, heck I wouldn't have ordered it and brought it if I didn't like it. I happen to like the P-H 1200C better that's all.

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2010, 07:46:15 AM »

 Brithunter, old friend, I wasn't commenting on the function of the rifle (which I understand to be excellent), but the asthetics (or rather, the lack thereof).   The proof is in the pudding. The rifle was a total commercial failure.  Putting a hunk of black rubber on the butt of the bolt, and then trying to market it as "ahead of its time", was in my opinion preposterous.  On the other hand, it does show that despite beliefs to the contrary, there are in fact some German comedians!  :-)

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2010, 06:42:30 PM »
I'd love to find a Martini Henry in 303. Had my hands on one once,but just did not have enuogh coin to buy. On the other hand, I had a sporterized by Parker Hale SMLE. Another rifle I could not keep my hands on.

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2010, 11:56:30 PM »
Hmmmm now Mannyrock the Germans like a particular style to their rifles, like the Bavarian stock and then there is the Tyrolean stock both of which are not that popular out Germany/Austria and what was the Czech Republic. Now some of us find American stocks far to "Clubby" for our liking. The forestocks are too large and the wrist of the stock ......................... well  ::) The Remington synthetic stocks are awful, or should I say were awful, in this respect. I have not handled one or shot one in years. My friends original VSS was the most uncomfortable rifle to shoot I have ever tried. He got on OK with it but then he is kack handed being a leftie  ::)  :D.

One of my project rifles is a Century Arms sporterised P-14 and the stock will require extensive modification and re-shaping to make it comfortable and pleasing to my eye. I realise that the Century is not a very good example as the stock is of poor design to begin with. The forestock has a "Roach belly" for a start  ::) and the wrist/pistol grip is far too square but at least it has enough excess wood to do something with even if it's a real cheap bit of wood at that. I will know better once I strip off that awful brown varnish/stain they used. If worse comes to worse I can ditch the stock and fit an old P-H sporterised one that came off an old targetised ERA P-14 that was scrapped many years ago. This one:-



This is the Century P-14:-



Much work to to on it I am afraid  :( it has already had the chamber altered to 303 Imp as the one it had in it's new barrel was soooooo tight it was causing problems. That little job cost nearly twice the price of the rifle .................... I was not amused  >:( as that was not the price quoted. Century Arms didn't even deign to answer any e-mails about this rifle which was new when brought.

So far we have not even been able to find out what scope mounts it was supposed to use hence the cobbled up mount in the Photo. I have now decided to re-machine the action to the same profile as my BSA sporterised BSA (Model E) and fit a reciever sight and ramped foresight to it. Not sure whether to cut off the bolt handle and replace that as yet  :-\.

Now as to the M96 Slide Bolt being ahead of it's time? Now let me see if had a remarkable straight pull bolt, a quite superb adjustable trigger and used a bedding system of new design. It also had more locking lug bearing surface than any rifle then in production and a barrel that could be easily swopped by the user with the use of two allen keys. Maybe a bit too radical for the average American sporting shooter but then again they have always been slow on the uptake for new types. Just think about that, when the rest of the world had accepted the Bolt action the American rifleman was still wedded to the lever action. It took a world War and  actually putting a good bolt action rifle in the troops hands to educate them  :D ;) Oh and that good bolt action with the US Model of 1917  :). Hmmm where is the "Tongue in cheek" emoticon when you want it?


Now mauser98us ,

     There is no such thing and a .303 Martini Henry  ;) it's either a Martini Metford or Martini Enfield depending upon what barrel is fitted in a Military one. Commercial ones were of course different but I have never heard of a .303 with Henry's rifling. They changed from the Metford as it wore too quickly with the hard jacketed bullets and Smokeless powder and especially with Cordite! The one I had was in quite poor condition on the outside, due to it being found in a damp celler propped in the corner but the bore was good. After removing the surface rust it was painted with British Army "Suncorite" paint:-


Made in 1888 as an IC1 then converted by the HRB & Co (Henry Rifle Barrel Company) in 1898 and according to the stock disc last issued to teh Army Pay Corps in 1906 before being sold out of service to the Cadet Corps. I acquired it in 1996 an it had to go to proof before I could pick it up as it had no vaild commercial proofs on it.


Sorry I don't have any full length photos of the carbine. Oh I even picked up the correct bayonet for it which I sold afew weeks ago. The Martini sold just before Christmas and it fetched just under $500 US. Now to make you drool just a little here are the three P-H sporterised rifles I owned:-


Two P-H sporterised SMLE's in Supreme configuration with the P-H modified P-14. The P-14 had had it's barrel shortened by then. Durign a preiod of unemployment I had to sell the two SMLE's to pay the rent  :'( but now have this one a No4 Supreme:-


I can't say that I like the No4 as much as the SMLE though.

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2010, 09:12:22 AM »

  Very good points Brithunter.

   As for clubby stocks, I love the action on the pre-64 Winchesters, but the stock is so thick and clubby (particularly the grip) that it feels like you are holding a 2x4.

   I really like thin grips, and long Schnabel forends, but not many American rifles go that way.  ( I think its because for millions of Americans, the 20th century bolt rifle was a working tool, not a sporting luxery, and so stout wood was the order of the day.)

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2010, 07:11:25 PM »
Brit thanks for the correction. I never pretended to be an expert on the Martini,but I did play one on TV once. Just kidding. I do remember the Martina was marked with the name of a shooting club in Britain. I actually prefer the German style stalking rifle myself,with the side panel. A joy to carry,and points like a shotgun. A little tough off the bench tho. American do seem to prefer the clubby stocks. I own a few myself

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2010, 11:17:39 PM »
Ahhh I am guessing it was one converted by either W.W. Greener or Bonehill for:-

The Society of Miniture Rifle Clubs (SMRC)

Which itself was the forerunner of todays National Smallbore Rifle Association (NSRA) who are based at The Lord Roberts Centre at Bisley Camp.

The SMRC was set up after the terrible showing of marksmanship by British Troops in the 2nd Boer War. Parlty found to be the poor regulation of the sights whcih was rapidly corrected and vastly improved training on the rifle range. Before this the old fuddy duddy General were still entrenched in the British Square and volley fire from the days of the Brown bess  ::). They still didn't learn as during WW1 they refused to believe the carnage that Machines did to massed ranks advancing at a fixed pace across open ground  >:(.

Meanwhile I will just let you peruse this on. A commercially made Martini carbine in .303 bore of Belgian manufacture:-




The Martini's of course have a deeper wrist/hand to the butt stock due to the depth of the butt socket in the action. Military rifles like the Lee Enfield had heavier a wrist/hand for strength as they were expected to be used as a spear or lance with the bayonet fitted. Something which hunting/sporting rifles are not subject too.

Hope you like it.

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2010, 07:02:03 PM »
I'll take it!  You really know how to hurt a guy don't ya? Does that Martini have a tight chamber,or is it oblongish like the military chambers?

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2010, 11:17:12 AM »
The chamber is tightish and it's not quite the same as a British Military chamber. The shoulder is slightly different, enough so I keep brass seperate for it, also it has strange rifling which is deeper one side of the land than to other. Or at least it looks like it from what I can see. When I eventually make the trip to Steves workshop with my 2506 P-H 1200C I will take this and hopefully get a loot at the bore with his bore scope. Meanwhile I shot some gas checked 205 grain commercial cast bullet using "The Load" through it with reasonable results.

The bore is also fairly tight and I suspect one could shoot 0.308" bullets through it with respectable accuracy.

Glad you like it  ;D I must admit it caught my eye standing in the rack at a Bisley show and i nearly missed it but we managed to track it down as another dealer had acquired it, luckily one I had brought a rifle from not that long ago and we managed to work out adeal and get it shipped as it was too far to realistically drive down to purchase it, It was far cheaper to pay for a carrier and get it delivered to a friendly local dealer. Oh it cost me under $400 US including shipping.

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2010, 05:51:05 PM »
$ 400 huh? You really are a SOB you know! :D

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2010, 08:02:38 AM »

  Sorry for the stupid question, but are there any modern cartridges that the  Martini action can handle, such as the .30-30 Winchester, or .303 British, or maybe the .45-70?.

   It would be great to have one of these carbines in a popular modern hunting round.

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Re: New commercial Mauser model 96
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2010, 10:53:31 AM »
Ahhh mannyrock,

     Both that I posted photos of are chambered for the .303 British cartridge  ;) with a re-barrel using s .30" bore one 30-30 would just need an extractor altered to fit the smaller rim. 7x57R would work as well as would 7x65R. There have been conversions done in the past to rimless extration but I understand it's a bit fiddly to achieve reliably. However I would suggest that you don't use a Greener GP shotgun as seems popular as the action on those was never built to handle rifle pressures and your courting trouble IMHO.

       The .303 Martinis had a hardened steel breechblock and not a case hardened iron one like the original 577/450's and the Shotguns.