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Offline Darrell Davis

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Old powder info??????????
« on: April 06, 2010, 12:31:31 PM »
A friend has about 10lbs of powder in good shootable condition - looks good, smells good etc. but we are having trouble finding info.

It is a ball powder probably for shotgun or handgun use.

WW450 LS

My oldest books list Olin 452, but I can't find #450

Info welcome, as hate to think about turning this into lawn feed.

Keep em coming!

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Re: Old powder info??????????
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2010, 03:55:52 PM »
I checked my oldest reloading booxs Lyman reloading manual #46 and couldnt find it.
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Re: Old powder info??????????
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2010, 04:38:39 PM »
A Mr. Watson on another forum posted the following

"Winchester made 450LS powder for 12 gauge shotshells from at least 1962 until it was replaced by 452AA in the early 1970s. I think that at one time there was a 450 powder without the LS suffix but do not know if it was truly different. I cannot find any pistol data for it either way.
A careful man with a chronograph could probably make use of it."
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Re: Old powder info??????????
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2010, 07:20:07 PM »
My Speer Manuals No. 7 & 8 include info on a Winchester-Western powder 450 LS.  They describe it as "For target and standard velocity shot shell loads - to be used in AA tubes or in Winchester-Western paper tubes and tubes of similar internal dimension."

They list quite a few 12 and 20 ga. loads using it but I would not try any of them because they call for specific components which I am sure are no longer available.

They also show a few .38 Special loads for it. These are in the range of 3 to 4 grains of 450 LS behind 148 to 158 gr. cast bullets. The loads are 0.1 to 0.2 gr. lighter than the Red Dot loads they list and produce slightly less velocity than the Red Dot loads.

I am not sure I would trust these old manuals too much though. They did things quite a bit differently 40 years ago. They were not at all above being a bit "adventurous" with their loads.
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