Top Four republicans for 2012

[nw_hunter]

A new Gallup poll released last week offers both good news and bad news for President Obama.

The bad news?  Obama is statistically tied with a generic Republican in the 2012 presidential election.

The good news?  Many Republicans surveyed believe that “generic” candidate should be either John McCain or Scott Brown.
A candidate who’s fresh off a 2008 loss, would be 85 by the end of his second term, and might lose his Senate primary to Atilla the Hun.  And a second candidate who has spent more time buck naked in the pages of Cosmo than he’s spent on Capitol Hill.

Scott Brown naked Among GOP front runners, McCain and Brown trail only Mitt Romney, whose entire governing experience consists of a single term as governor, and Sarah Palin, who didn’t even make it that far.

And that’s your top four  Romney, Palin, McCain, Brown. What a hand to draw too!

BOY HOWDY! What a change we can expect in 2012.

Republican House, Senate, and the Executive Branch. Conservatives could win it all and undo everything the Democrat socialists have implemented...................................Yea right! 


   
   

[Dee]

Damn nw_hunter! That change just keeps a comin don't it? With a field like that, I might have to switch and vote Republican.

[teamnelson]

If that's what makes it through the primaries, then you can expect tea partiers, constitutionalists and libertarians to have a plan C. Seriously, the ball is in the GOP's court. Put up or shut up now. We need better options than those 4.

[Dee]

Those aren't options TN. Their failed RE-RUNS. But you already knew that didn't ya?

[Hooker]

What a hand to draw too!
 


   
   

Shoot the dealer he's pulling off the bottom of the deck.

But then this may be the best we can hope for. A decent person does not want to swim in that sewer.


Pat

[nomosendero]

Fortunately, it is a while to 2012, if an election is still possible. We may have somone come out of nowhere' maybe even an actual Conservative.

[powderman]

Shoot the dealer he's pulling off the bottom of the deck.

Thats for darned sure. Mccain and brown shouldn't even be on the ticket, let alone in the running. Makes me sick. Who the crap is taking these polls, the dumcraps??? POWDERMAN.  

[teamnelson]

Looks like the best we can hope for is to recycle congress with some conservative GOPers, and a lameduck from day one Pres. That's a tourniquet, not trauma response.

[Graybeard]

Of the four Sarah really is the only one who even remotely makes sense and after her recent support of McCain's bid for reelection she makes a lot less sense now.

The others have all tried and lost, she has not yet made a bid to be President. The others have I believe and failed miserably. I suspect the reason they do not wish to put up a real choice for us is they are part and parcel of what's going down in DC and are doing their part to give osama four more.

[Dee]

YA THINK? Bill that's what I've been sayin a long damn time and catchin crap for it. The only way anyone is gonna change this thing is to vote OUTSIDE the box for a change. The Republicans are just as out of touch and elitist as the Democrats, their just more SUBTLE, yet everyone THINKS their gonna "change the Republicans by votin in more Republicans". Everyone wants to IGNORE PARTY LOYALTY, and that is crux of the problem to begin with. FOR THE GOOD OF THE PARTY, is where the corruption actually lies.
But alas, I regress.

[magooch]

There are a bunch of good Republican possibilities, but what's the sense of getting out there too soon.  It just gives the liberal media a head start in tearing them down.  What the polls show is just what they need to; that the Obamanation is hopefully not reelectable.  That's about as good as it gets for now.

[45-70.gov]

where does  ron paul  fit  in??

maybe  surround  obomer with republicans   for 6 years

make  it the  worse  years of his  life

has a president  ever killed themself??

hope for  gridlock  like the  constitution  was designed to do any way

maybe  even  impeach  him  or  throw  him  out  over  his  citsenship

I  HAVE A DREAM.......

[myronman3]

y'all scream about palin, and i dont like the campaigning for mccain either, but that is politics.  no one except alaskans would even know who she was if it wasnt for mccain.   this is just payback.   dont expect her to do much more for him after this.   relax.   
    she is still the answer in my book.   i see no one else out there that gives me a shred of hope save ron paul, but he aint got a chance as the front runner.  palin/paul would be a great ticket i think. 

[Hooker]

I like Palin but she's not up to the task. Playing kissy face with old washed up business as usual republicans proves it.
I still think she can do the country a lot of good by backing better candidates she would make a great number 2 on the ticket but she's not ready to take the wheel yet.
She needs to concern her self with what is best for this nation and not worry about paying that wishy washy mccain back.
She does have a lot of stroke but she needs to use it more wisely.

Pat

[45-70.gov]

y'all scream about palin, and i dont like the campaigning for mccain either, but that is politics.  no one except alaskans would even know who she was if it wasnt for mccain.   this is just payback.   dont expect her to do much more for him after this.   relax.   
    she is still the answer in my book.   i see no one else out there that gives me a shred of hope save ron paul, but he aint got a chance as the front runner.  palin/paul would be a great ticket i think. 

[S.S.]

I think Ron Paul should run as an independant and shake up 2012.
A 2 party system is not enough, we need more choices!

[Sourdough]

Was listening to Beck this morning.  He said the latest polls he reviewed had Ginchrich and Ron Paul in them as well as the above mentioned candidates.  Beck says Newt has too much baggage, and Ron Paul was just too radical for most voters. 

At this point I would have to go with Palin and Romney.  Both have more Executive experience than Obama had when he was running.  Palin has been a Mayor and Governor.  Romney has been Governor and he did a real good job with the Olympics as well I understand.

[billy_56081]

Palin, Paul or Nugent would work for me.

[Dee]

Romney for president? I think that would be a great choice. He's the guy whom pushed the state run mandatory health care bill thru in Massachusetts, and he will be able to just step right in and run the health care Obama put in place. I think that is just the guy the Republican party needs, and most likely wants. Of course the people didn't want him last time, so something will have to be done about that. Excellent choice.

[jimster]

The Republican party seems to be in the exact same place they were, same people, same choices, same everything.  This is their plan? 

[skarke]

You know, he'll never run, primarily because the last presidential candidate from Texas was, well..........anyway.  But, John Cornyn is brilliant, articulate, former Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Texas, and a strict constructionist conservative.  He'd be a truly great President, but it is only wishful thinking on my part.

I also like, to a lesser extent, Rick Santorum.  He is 6 years Cornyn's junior at 52 years old, also articulate, and at least speaks like a conservative.

To me, there is a difference when we compare a person like Cornyn, with nearly 40 years of written, philosophically correct and stunningly insightful opinions on all things conservative, to someone who is likely just a talking point machine (the host of current Republican hopefuls).

I'd take my wife's schnauzer over Oblama.

[Dee]

Your kiddin right? He (Cornyn) and Kay Bailey RACED TO SIGN THE FIRST BAILOUT. STRICT CONSTRUCTIONIST CONSERVATIVE?  How do ya figure that? He and Kay Bailey TOTALLY IGNORED THE CONSTITUTION ON THAT ONE.
I thought you wanted to rebuild the party?

[skarke]

While KBH is a known big spender, and a social liberal, Monday morning QBacking is pretty sketchy regarding TARP.  I'll give you guys a little info I picked up from a financial analyst friend of mine (which is also why I can see both sides of the issue regarding currency standards).  Bear with me, this is off the top of my aging head.

Following the collapse of Bear Stearns and other financial institutions after the devastating results of Sarbane Oxley, culminating in part by the Federal acquisition of FM and FM, we were in a period where bank liquidity was diminishing rapidly.  Then one day, it happened.  It was like 11:30 Central Time, and there wasn't money.  There wasn't ANY money, none, nada, nowhere, internationally.  My buddy said that people in his office looked like they did after 9 11.  Nobody knew what to do, NOBODY!!!!!

Now, we all know that this money authorized by Congress was the result of a giant ruse brought about because of opportunistic individuals, and that the 700B TARP not only wasn't necessary (the real heavy lifting was done completely outside of Government oversight, in secret, by the Fed, and totaled many trillions, not billions), TARP is in fact (IMHO) a slush fund to pad the pockets of a group of corrupt businessmen.

BUT, this is why Rahm Emmanuel is quoted saying, "Never let a good crisis go to waste!".  There were enough good people fooled by this proposed legislation that both good intentioned and evil intentioned Congressmen were strong armed into what we now know as a VERY bad decision.  Heck, it wasn't just Congress, look at what the American people did in the '08 election!!

So, people were fooled.  Cornyn included, and he admits it.  Now what do we do?  Well, I say we learn from our mistakes, hope that the good members of Congress do the same, and vote for a bunch of other intelligent, strict conservatives to hopefully right this ship.

I highly recommend that people read Cornyn's opinions as CJSCofTexas.

No, we averted a real, honest catastrophe.  It was created unnecessarily, but created nonetheless.  I really don't think that we average citizens living our lives in ignorant bliss will ever really know how close we were to complete, worldwide economic armageddon.  I also don't believe that the average citizen has any idea how dangerous an omnipotent, unregulated Fed (central bank) is.

[Dee]

Well sharke with all due respect this goes back to all of that bunch in D.C. "jumpin wild" and votin for stuff they don't understand or claimin to. You have been tryin to encourage folks to get involved in rebuilding the Republican party, and are in my opinion promoting same ole same ole, and makin excuses for guys you like that are as guilty as hell.
I intend to do everything in my power to get rid of folks like Cornyn, so I guess you and I are on opposite sides. I hope your guy Cornyn, suffers the same fate Kay Bailey suffered and so richly deserves, and as I said, I intend to to my part in him being an EX-Senator and insted a private citicizen. He is a disgrace to the Senate and Texas, and a socialist to boot. He is no more a conservative than I am a fighter pilot.
The Republican party is rotten to the core, and it will never change, because they are continually given a pass, just as your trying to give Cornyn a pass. I'm against you at votin time my friend.

[skarke]

One other point, and quiet and inconspicuous though it be, he voted AGAINST Bernanke to head the Fed (most Repubs voted for).  It is hard to say whether Bernanke is a financial messiah or the offspring of the Antichrist himself, but we'd better believe that this little man (Bernanke) carries a great big stick.  

[skarke]

Dee, the beautiful thing is that you are ENGAGED!!!!  We don't have to agree on everything, and I LOVE it that you have an informed opinion, even if it differs from mine.  I think that if we were given a list of 100 questions regarding current events, and we had to walk a mile for each one we differed on, we'd probably barely break a sweat.

No, you are excellent to have a position, and hold to it.

I also have been known to be wrong (1974, in the winter I think ).

As I dig deeper, and I will, I might come to the same conclusion as you.  I just know that I liked Justice Cornyn long before I ever saw Senator Cornyn.  

[wreckhog]

What happened to

1) Jeb Bush
2) Bobby Jindal
3) Rush Limbaugh
4) Linda Lingle

[skarke]

Well Dee, I guess I'm gonna eat a little crow here.  I don't know where Cornyn lost his way, but he sure is different from who he was in the Texas Supreme Court (where I LOVED his opinions on most everything).  This is what happens when good people converse, thanks for the pushback.

This compassionate conservatism euphemism that he is espousing makes me cringe.  He has been so right on some issues that I am a little dumbfounded, because many of these positions are not those of the party (Bernanke for one).  Where is all this stuff coming from?

Well Dee, we might not even have to leave our chairs and stretch for a walk at all.

I'll be meeting with Senator Cornyn at a Republican function in the near future, I'm sure.  If I can get a couple of minutes with him (doubtful), I'll have a question or two to ask.

Iron sharpens iron buddy!!!

[Dee]

I don't have to ask him anything. His actions speak for themselves. I grimace when these clowns are asked: How do you feel about right to life? They give a small oratory of the sanctity of life, but the most important question is never asked, which is: If I help elect you, what are you gonna do about it? They aren't gonna do anything.
This country is gonna have to hit rock bottom in all phases before voters (if there's any left) realize that the Republicans, and Democrats are in office for power, prestige, personal gain, and PARTY FIRST. Then and only then will they realize that they may have to burn the barn to get rid of the rats.
Senator Cornyn is but one example of PARTY FIRST, and puts off a STERLING PERSONA to naive voters as MAN OF PRINCIPLE. Some think we should ABANDON PRINCIPLE, and vote based on compromise. That is precisely what has allowed the scoundrels in office to advance their agendas. What voters SHOULD DO, is vote on these PRINCIPLES THAT THEY "CLAIM"   TO HAVE, BUT ABANDON SO EASILY.
It will indeed be a TRUE CONSERVATIVE running before I vote Republican. I will once again vote the Republican Primaries hoping for a CONSERVATIVE AWAKENING in the Republican party, but I am not holding my breath.
Kay Bailey Hutchins is at home knitting, because she quit listening, and if Texans aren't too damn lazy to read the proof Cornyn will be.
Never mind what he says under campaign duress, because he will say whatever he needs to say to convince you to vote for him again. What did he already do. THEY ALL NEED TO GO! As the old sayin says, and it true. First time shame on him, Second time shame on YOU.
I'm a Tea Partier, not a wanna be. 99.9 % of Republicans are not Tea Party material. They are hitchhikers wanting a ride. I am afraid most voters are the same. They CLAIM they want change, as long as their not the ones that have to change.

[Graybeard]

There are no PERFECT candidates out there. Everyone of them has done something that everyone of us disapproved of and if elected they will all again do something we all disagree with. Now it might be that each of us will pick different things to disagree on but guys there just is no candidate who is gonna make every decision as you would and if they did then the rest of us would be unhappy with them.

Ya gotta concentrate on the issues most basic to you and look at their record on those issues. Still you won't find one who voted 100% the way you would have on all votes on all those issues. Human nature just isn't like that. So ya gotta select one that most closely represents the things you feel strongly about and bend a little on the other issues important to you but not as important as others. You should try to find out why they voted "wrong in your mind" on those issues where you'd have preferred them to voted the other way. One bad vote meaning against what you wanted them to do does not make them a bad choice.

Showing a pattern of disregard for the US Constitution as written and supporting on a regular basis things that it is clear are tearing down this nation is a very good reason to vote against them.

Sadly I just don't see what we do at the polls is gonna have any real worthwhile impact on changing things back to the way they were that we all like so well.

They have too many things locked in stone that none of them are gonna turn loose of. Things like once elected and they serve one day if they leave for personal reasons or get kicked out for any reason they draw that last salary for life as a retirement package. No Congress person is gonna vote to over turn that and yet until it is over turned you are wasting your time to send good folks up cuz that will turn them bad quickly. Same on campaign contributions. When they leave office all funds held in their campaign chests is theirs to keep forever and I think even tax free. I think our Senator Shelby has well over $50 million in his chest and by now it may have grown to over $100 million. That kinda money means no one can beat him in the election cuz money talks come election day. It also means he really doesn't care that much if he gets beat cuz if he does he walks away one of the richest men in Alabama for doing nothing but serving a few terms in the Senate.

Now he is actually a pretty good senator voting the way I would have voted on the vast majority of issue at lease the major issues. Still he's making no great fuss to over turn the bills passed that alter the Constitution and take away our rights and liberties. He didn't vote for them but he's doing nothing to undo what has been done either. As congress persons go these days he's up there near the top as one of the better ones. But he's not ever gonna change what's bad in congress because he is benifitting from it and likes those perks he gets. I'd put him in the top 90% of folks in Congress in his votes to support his constituents on bills that come up for his votes. Still he's not a 100% er and never will be. As good as I see him being he still would have to go to improve congress and turn it around.

The ONLY thing that's gonna get us back to where we (meaning most of us here on this site) want to see the country go is to remove by force all the three branches of federal government and the governors and state congress folks and judges and replace them with folks who are not looking to be career politicians but rather are there for a short while to serve the people then return to being one of the people.

Sure some of the same ones there now might be worth allowing back. I think Ron Paul might be one who would be worthy of holding over. Term limits would have to be put into place so no one stayed in public office more than 8 years same as is currently the max for President. That would be total time too not that muc in each office to make a carrer of politics. Salary should be minimal to cover family expenses and expenses of the office should be paid but not to them as salary. Staffs should be greatly cut back as they need to be hands on with what they do. No retirement package allowed as it's not a carrer job. Their health benefits should be the same as those for folks on Social Security and they should pay into it same as everone else.

The job really shouldn't even be a full time one as they don't need to be making busy work which is what most bills are. They are required to pass a federal budget by a certain date which they seldom meet. That should be job one and it should be a balanced budget. They should begin working with the Supreme Court and President to over turn and toss out tens of thousands of wrong bills now on the books that take away our freedom and liberty and return us to the US Constitution as originally written.

The illegal amendments passed after the Civil war and the two on prohibition of alcohol should be tossed out leaving it as it was before those. Then if a REAL need for an amendment to replace anything tossed out arises do it right this time not illegally like before.

The Federal government needs to go back to doing only what the Constitution assigns them to do. That's damned limited and sure doesn't involve stealing 50% to 75% of workers money to pass it back out to those who will not work but will vote in folks who'll give them handouts.

They need to provide for the common defense of the nation and interstate roads and deal with international affairs and settle disputes between states as to interstate commerce. That's precious little else they need to be involved in day to day.

That's what needs to happen but the only way to make it happen is by force yeah a shooting war. That ain't gonna happen in the life time of any of us tho I don't believe. I don't think we're as yet in such dire straights so as to cause enough folks to take up arms and remove the traitors now in office and return control of the government to the people whom the Constitution say are in control. Only when the majority of folks at all economic levels in the country are feeling the pinch badly enough will there be the will power to do what some day will have to be done.

By that time assuming the folks in charge don't try to push too fash I fear the people will have lost their firearms and will wind up having to take to the streets with pitchforks, rocks, sticks and such tools as they can get their hands on.

On it will be a bloodly battle and likely citizens will lose 50 to one or maybe 100 to one against government forces. Hopefully some good folks will still be left in the government forces and they will help the cause of the Constitution. Each time a government force drops that's one set of weapons the citizens can grab and eventually the hundreds of millions of citizens will obtain enough weapons and take out enough government lackey forces to turn the tide the same as our founding fathers did to establish this great nation.

A day will come when the government forces surrender and/or run away to hide with friends in other countries. Then those left after the battle will need to bandage their wounds and get to the task of electing new Congressmen and a new Adminstration and appoint new judges. The same will have to be done at the local and state levels. Everyone one who gets to hold office initially should be those who found and won back control of the country and the Constitution. Like our founding fathers they must set up safe guards to prevent the same from happening again. Much clearer more modern language will need to be used to make it clear the Constitution means what it says but basically it should be the same document with clarification that "shall not be infringed" means ya can't make laws placing limits on our guns and our speach.

If this old world is still around after 2012 and life still goes on them who knows perhaps by 2100 the people will have gotten mad enough to retake this country from the usurpers now in control and it can return to the golden age once again. I doubt any of us alive now will see that day.