I drilled my bullet seater out befor I started loading spitzer type bullet after reading some of the posts by others on here, the first time I shot these I got about a 1 1/2" group but that was a one shot wonder because I have not been abel to do it sense but I do get great groups with 158 and 180 xtp's and I get fair groups with speer 180 flat nose .358" bullets and I'm getting about 1.2" groups shooting the ss/pb loaded in 360 DW all out of the same handi. Swaped stocks around and going to the range tomorrow, the one thing I did not try is removing the forend, if I still have problems will try that, may load some up and try to match the vell. of the 360 and see what that does. Thanks for the help, took some and roled them on a flat tabel no wobel dont have any other way to tell if they are crooked or not.