Author Topic: Cummins vs Powerstroke (Read 4502 times)

scootrd · « **Reply #30 on:** March 31, 2011, 11:05:18 AM »

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I had a 89 Ford F250 with a banks on it. The only thing limiting the HP was the melting point of internal components.

Doug

Thanks Doug , Gave me my smile for the day ..Great post.

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Hooker · « **Reply #31 on:** April 01, 2011, 02:53:35 PM »

I like the old 7.3 PSD it was a heck of a work horse my Rollback wrecker had that engine trust me when I say it got worked hard.
I like Ford trucks they are beyond tuff but their engine offerings of late really are lacking. I have a 96 Dodge with a 5.9 2nd gen 12valve Cummins it gets 22-23 mpg and has never failed to pull anything I've hooked on to. Although the Dodge truck is a cheap beer can you just can't beat that older Cummins and drive train it has. If I could get a Ford truck with that engine I would never need another truck the rest of my life. As for the Chevys what can I say.

acorns · « **Reply #32 on:** April 01, 2011, 05:38:52 PM »

Quote from: Hooker on April 01, 2011, 02:53:35 PM

I like the old 7.3 PSD it was a heck of a work horse my Rollback wrecker had that engine trust me when I say it got worked hard.
I like Ford trucks they are beyond tuff but their engine offerings of late really are lacking. I have a 96 Dodge with a 5.9 2nd gen 12valve Cummins it gets 22-23 mpg and has never failed to pull anything I've hooked on to. Although the Dodge truck is a cheap beer can you just can't beat that older Cummins and drive train it has. If I could get a Ford truck with that engine I would never need another truck the rest of my life. As for the Chevys what can I say.

You hit the nail on the head! We ran a Cummins for nineteen years, what an engine! What a cheap excuse for a truck body! We're driving a F150 2010 5.4L now. Sure do miss that Cummins!
I believe the thing is, the Cummins engine is rated as a Medium Duty Diesel Engine. The rest are rated as Light Duty Diesel Engines. Look it up. By the By, I replaced the Getrag trans with a Standard Transmission(Texas) replacement. Good choice.

KP · « **Reply #33 on:** April 27, 2011, 07:36:24 PM »

All,

Well, maybe my 2010 Dodge Ram 2500 6.7 is fixed. Since the last visit to the shop, I have now put over 150 miles on it with no issues.

I've gotta say though, I will never buy another Chrysler product. My truck's check engine light had been on constantly from December 1, 2010 until April 22, 2011 with 7 visits to the dealer.

I called the service manager and dealership owner several times with ZERO calls returned or any other type of follow-up.

How did I get them to finally fix the truck (maybe)? I filed complaints thru the Alaska Attorney General, the BBB twice, the Federal Trade Commission, requested the dealership be placed on the "military off-limits" list in Fairbanks, and finally had to contact my State Senator.

Still amazed at how the dealership can be so fearfull of a disatisfied customer. Next truck will definitely be used with NO warranty. Truck breaks - you get your money when you fix the truck (not included with the monthly payment)!

KP

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #34 on:** April 28, 2011, 02:51:26 AM »

my son in law is a mechanic and he runs a shop that specializes in small diesels. Pickups cars ect. He said hands down the worse motor is the ford followed by the cummings and that the one that seems to give the best reliability is the duramax. He said in the past there was problems with all of them in certain years but right now the duramax is more reilable then the others. He drives a dodge with a cummings because he cant afford to buy a new truck and buys what he gets a deal on but said if he could it would be a chev. He also said that most deisel truck owners anymore dont leave them alone. Most are putting exaust and programmers on and the gap reliability really opens up then as chevs alison tranny can take more then the ohters.

gp911 · « **Reply #35 on:** April 29, 2011, 07:51:01 PM »

I recently sold my '10 Ram 2500ST CrewCab Longbed 4x4 (6.7L Cummins and 6 spd Manual) with 25k on it simply because I live in the 'burbs now & don't need that much truck. I had one problem the entire time I owned it, the slave cylinder froze up (I think) for a little bit leaving the clutch partially engaged. That's it, otherwise no complaints whatsoever. I used to work in the automotive aftermarket and heard all sorts of stories about the various diesels from their owners. The 6.0L had a ton of recalls but made great power, the 6.4L was more reliable and more potent. The Ford SD is a very heavy truck. The 6.7L Dodge has had its issues and the auto trannies are weak. The Duramax is a great engine, but the Allison trannies had (HAD) issues once power was upgraded. 5.9L Cummins is incredible but for several years the lift pumps were unreliable and the auto trannies pretty much always need upgraded with a power increase. That's the highlights, from my experience and the hearsay I've been told.

Personally I prefer the Cummins, but you gotta look at the entire package and choose your favorite from there.

Hooker · « **Reply #36 on:** May 03, 2011, 05:36:07 PM »

Lift pump issues were directly related to poor maintenance change the fuel filter Homer or poor fuel quality.
I've had 5.9 Cummins in my shop with 700,000 + miles on them if that not reliable you have issues.

The Isuzu Duramax and Allison are a good combo although in extreme cold I was not impressed and my sense of humor was quickly used up.
Almost all issues with the D-max and Allison are related to the crappy GM electronics attached to them.

Pat

Hairtrigger · « **Reply #37 on:** May 08, 2011, 06:11:38 AM »

I spent the last week riding with our rep in the midwest, he owned a Cummins in 2000 and put a ton of miles on it. He now drives a duramax which he purchased new. He is incredibly disappointed in it as he says now, at 150000 miles he can tell the truck has less power. He claims he will trade it on another Cummins

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #38 on:** May 09, 2011, 02:53:20 AM »

I have driven all three well over 180000+ miles each. I would not buy any of them today . The mandated emission control has made them all less drivable and to me not worth the money.

no guns here · « **Reply #39 on:** May 09, 2011, 03:29:19 AM »

I know it's not in the same class torque-wise as the newer diesels but I have nothing but praise for my 2010 F-150 5.4 liter. With the 6-speed and 3.73 gears it is still rated at over 10k for towing. Just this weekend, I put a round bale in the back, hooked up a flat-bed and put 4 round bales on it for a total of about 7500 pounds and went down the road at 70+ without a problem at all. I can't think of anything that I'm going to pull anytime soon that I can't pull with this truck. In fact, my FIL has a 96 F350 w/460 and my engine is rated at more HP and almost the same torque and I get twice the mileage or more of his truck. It has the capacity for a small-medium 5-wheel or gooseneck. While I would LIKE to have a bigger stronger truck, I just can't justify it with the capability of the newer 1/2 tons.

My neighbor has a 2010 Tundra 5.7 L and tows a 31 foot bumper pull camping trailer all over the place with out a problem. The modern 1/2 is what the 3/4 was just a few years ago. Unless you just NEED the capability of pulling extra large loads, why mess with diesel problems and cost? I got into my F150 for 26k last year and it gets about 20mpg.

NGH

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #40 on:** May 09, 2011, 03:39:18 AM »

NGH , I am driving a 5.4 now and tow with it haven't noticed a problem yet. did save about 9 grand though when buying it.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #41 on:** May 09, 2011, 04:47:41 AM »

These are the loads we haul all the time, year after year, without problems. Chevy HD half tons, with air shocks,

DM

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #42 on:** May 09, 2011, 04:51:11 AM »

same here , we haul them about 30 miles with some good grades . I cheat though - got a 3/4 and 1 ton

sidewinder319 · « **Reply #43 on:** May 09, 2011, 05:01:13 AM »

I just love the Clatter of the older Cummins engines. I would rather listen to a the Clatter than the radio. Drive which ever Diesel you like. But you can bet on one thing for sure. It will always be compared to Cummins.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #44 on:** May 09, 2011, 05:32:51 AM »

The cummins WAS a good engine but with the smog control the new one I had got a little over 15 mpg on the highway not pulling anything . It also had to have cat. converter cleaned several times .
If they were what they were in 97 ( My first diesel ) I would want one .

no guns here · « **Reply #45 on:** May 11, 2011, 04:27:14 AM »

DM,

That's about 3,000 more than I ever haul with my F150. 1/2 tons sure ain't the weaklings they used to be huh?

NGH

Drilling Man · « **Reply #46 on:** May 11, 2011, 05:33:43 AM »

Quote from: no guns here on May 11, 2011, 04:27:14 AM

DM,

That's about 3,000 more than I ever haul with my F150. 1/2 tons sure ain't the weaklings they used to be huh?

NGH

All i know is, the Chevys 1/2 tons we use keep on, keeping on! We (my neighbor and i) haul a LOT of big bales every year, and that's how we do it. We only use tractors when hauling bales in from the close fields...

The last new Ford i bought had rear end leaks that Ford never could fix... The puter would turn the lights on at night and i'd wake to a dead batt, and they couldn't fix that either. Then a near $300 dollar sending unit went out 3K after the warr., and i had enough of Ford. It was nearly as bad as the two Fords with diesels my brother and i had before that!

Right now my neighbor has 2 Chevy pu's, and i have 2 Chevys and one Dodge. The Chevys have been the best pu's i've ever owned, and the neighbor won't buy anything buy a Chevy anymore.

DM

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #47 on:** May 11, 2011, 10:07:43 AM »

If you keep a load on your truck the 1/2 ton trucks wear out faster not a cut but a fact. Brand makes little difference.

no guns here · « **Reply #48 on:** May 12, 2011, 03:38:36 AM »

DM,

I know everyone has their favorites, well that is everyone but me. Over the years I've had Ford, Chevy, Buick, Mazda, VW, Opal, BMW, Honda, Isuzu, Mercury, Datsun, Nissan and Mercedes. Right now, I'm in the Ford because I won't buy a new Government Motors vehicle and the Dodge salesman was an ass. There wasn't a Toyota dealer in the town I was in so I ended up with the F150. Really, any would have been okay with me I think. I would probably be praising a Tundra if there had been a dealer in that town. I'm just impressed with the capacity and capability of the new 1/2 tons.

Shootall,

But that's the case with any truck... just a 1 ton will probably last longer with a load on it than a 1/2 ton, but that's understandable.

NGH

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #49 on:** May 12, 2011, 08:32:28 AM »

my point ! get enough gun I mean truck

zeke08 · « **Reply #50 on:** May 12, 2011, 03:25:46 PM »

I have a 02 7.3 in a extra cab dually 4x4 over 125k on runs great pulls great I get 21mpg on highway. I had Cummings 5.7 great motor had power but only got 15-16mpg I have had no problems from either so I cant bad mouth either.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #51 on:** May 13, 2011, 01:51:46 AM »

id say in the case of trucks at least around here more have more truck then they need then not enough. I dont know how many 3/4 ton diesels are owned around here that never have more then a dirt bike or 4 wheeler on them. Diesels became trendy and everyone wants one. Id say half of the diesel pickups around here are ran by guys under 30 years old. Unless your a farmer or contractor or do alot of plowing a 1/2 ton is plenty of truck and the guys that need the brute towing torque of a deisel are even rarer. At least the ones that need it often enough to really justify the 50k price on one of those trucks. Keep in mind that the gas motors today have twice the power the biggest 3/4 ton truck had 15 years ago and everyone seemed to get by then. Nothing wrong with a diesel if thats what you want But to say the average guy needs a 3/4 ton desiel to have a reliable work truck is silly. take a 6.0 liter v8 chev 3/4 ton and look at its towing capabilitys. For the most part if you need more then that you need something other then a pickup. Then if you do buy a diesel best make sure you get an extended warantee for as long as you own it because i havent seen one of them from any manufacture that doesnt have some kind of a gremlin and they sure do pound your checkbook when they are getting fixed.

no guns here · « **Reply #52 on:** May 13, 2011, 03:01:25 AM »

Lloyd,

That's the same all over Texas and Oklahoma too. You said it all.

NGH

Hairtrigger · « **Reply #53 on:** May 14, 2011, 10:55:31 AM »

The new 3/4 ton pickups ride so much better than the old 1/2 tons why not buy a 3/4 ton....

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #54 on:** May 14, 2011, 04:47:21 PM »

cause the 1/2 tons ride even better yet and get better gas milage and for what you do with a truck 90 percent of the time, Ride down the road with an empty box, they work just fine and cost about 5 grand less. Better question for most would be why a 3/4 ton. Another way to look at it is with the power of the new motors a 1/2 ton will easily outpull a heavy load compared to a 3/4 ton from the 80s. ive seen some pretty big hey wagons around here pulled with 1/2 ton pickups. I guess my point is if you want a 3/4 ton or a deisel buy it but dont tell me you actually need it. As theres very very few people that actually have NEED for a truck like that. Sure you might tell me you pull a camper or some such thing but you probably pull it once or twice a year and the rest of the time your riding around in a 50000 dollar fancy truck. Amazingly even farmers got along just fine without deseils for years and most got along just fine back in the day with 1/2 ton trucks.