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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2010, 07:17:35 PM »
I worked on Wildlife Refuges. Folks commonly dumped unwanted dogs on the refuge. I guess they thought they could just live off the land there, and they didn't have the courage to deal with a dog they didn't want anymore, so I had to.

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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2010, 02:07:15 AM »
Well this is a spirited thread! When I could walk 5 miles in the woods to stalk deer I didnt do it!

I'm in the same country as the OP. here its called the Big Thicket!  I've cleared a few acres around my house to make a yard but if I go away in a year you wont be able to find where i was!

So I ambush em under trees, from a "condo" stand, and have been known to shoot one from my bedroom winder! Dont sneak up and try eating my corn!  ;)

Oh yea, and I have shot several chicken eaten Dogs too!  ::)
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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2010, 03:37:38 AM »
We shot wild dogs , we shot dogs running farm animals when it was legal . And would do so today but to just say you would shoot any dog is BS and words of a coward IMHO. I have seen bird dogs run deer , rabbit dogs run deer , house dogs run deer . What do you expect them to do when a deer rolls out from under their nose ?
 I have no problem shooting dumped dogs , wild dogs or dogs causing dangerous problems . If a dog attacks my family or me its going to get whats comming . Shoot my dog for attacking you or yours fine but shoot it because it chases something that runs from it like most dogs do there will be trouble .
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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2010, 03:42:07 AM »
Who cares how you hunt if it's legal.  You must be unusually thin skinned, or have a guilty conscience if what other folks say bothers you.
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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2010, 04:52:57 AM »
 ;D shootall, you hit the nail on the head, I love dogs more than most folks, but there are simply somethings that cannot be  ignored...

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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2010, 07:59:37 AM »
I expect most people on this forum like dogs.  My wife and I have five of them.  But dogs are the only animals in the woods of south Mississippi that I am just a little bit afraid of - not snakes (huge rattlers, nasty cottonmouths, corals, we have them all), not hogs, not coyotes, and surely not bears (we have just a few) - but packs of dogs.  They are the main reason I have a Ruger or a Marlin with me when in the woods. 

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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #36 on: April 24, 2010, 09:21:10 AM »
I don't just shoot dogs for no reason, I happen to like the critters, BUT, Here in Ky it is illegal to hunt with dogs and KDFWR says put them up during deer season or they will be shot for running deer. They have given all hunters the go ahead to shoot any dog running deer. If you own dogs it is yous job to control them.
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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #37 on: April 26, 2010, 02:26:41 AM »
On my side of the fence. All cats period and dogs without a collar get a bullet.

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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #38 on: May 02, 2010, 04:55:20 PM »
45 years ago when I started hunting it was standard procedure to shoot a dog that was running deer. Nowadays you'd get off easier shootin' some guys wife than his dog. Wisconsin says no body but a warden can shoot a dog running deer. Matter of fact, if your dog is sick and you do the right thing and put him down instead of lettin' him suffer, you better keep it to yourself. If the county humane officer finds out you did it at home yourself instead of taking to the vet for $90, you be gettin your name in the paper and payin' a fine.

BTW....if the method you use to hunt deer is legal in the area you hunt, I don't have a problem with it. May not be my ethical cup of tea, but if local authorities have decided it's legal, who am I to disagree.
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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #39 on: May 02, 2010, 05:13:25 PM »
I'm 67 years old and hunt in NY. I still hump a mile or so in thick brush before sun rise up a hill to set up to hunt. Some years I get one some years I don't.
I was watching a "hunting" show on TV the other day and watched these slobs looking at a TV monitor in the morning to  "pick" out their deer!! Then they drive to their spot set up (in a heated stand) over a feed bed and blow the sucker away. They then congratulate each other on the tough hunt. Somehow the sport escapes me.

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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2010, 08:56:07 PM »
I'm 67 years old and hunt in NY. I still hump a mile or so in thick brush before sun rise up a hill to set up to hunt. Some years I get one some years I don't.
I was watching a "hunting" show on TV the other day and watched these slobs looking at a TV monitor in the morning to  "pick" out their deer!! Then they drive to their spot set up (in a heated stand) over a feed bed and blow the sucker away. They then congratulate each other on the tough hunt. Somehow the sport escapes me.


I've seen the same shows. It makes me laugh. My "heated stand" is usually sittin' my butt on a stone wall or a stump and waitin' for the sun to come up. Where in NY are you located? I'm about 45 minutes from Albany.


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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2010, 02:12:25 AM »
I would love a heated stand , wouldn't mind a beautiful lady cooking breakfast in it either . It ain't got to be sport to be fun or hunting/shooting .
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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2010, 06:40:00 AM »
My heated stand is I took a tee shirt and sewed extra pockets on it so there are 6 in front and 6 in back and I put those hand warmers in pockets and a couple under my butt.
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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2010, 03:23:00 PM »
Spanky, I hunt in Sterling Forest, NY (Orange County) on public land. It's about 17,000 acres. Most of it is heavily wooded and mountainous. Not many hunters to bump into since they opened up more and more land for hunting.

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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2010, 03:39:04 PM »
I live in NY and we hunt them anyway we can.Usually after I'm about to fall out of my stand by the apple tree out of boredom I start to walk around. I've shot deer both ways so whatever works I guess. I'd use dogs but they're not legal for deer where I live.

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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #45 on: May 04, 2010, 02:14:14 AM »
Dog hunting in the few states left where its legal is under attack. Mostly its other hunters doing the griping ( tree huggers ) . I hunt both from a stand and with dogs so I can't complain .
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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #46 on: May 04, 2010, 06:11:45 PM »
Shootall, with respect if you paid the money and put in the work and sweat would you like them to run dogs across your lease? I personally had them standing 1/4 mile inside our lease! When asked. We are just trying to catch up the dogs. Sorry but guns should stay in the truck if you are " Just catching up the dogs". We ran dogs for years but only on property we had permission to. We didn't drop the dogs on 1 side of someones lease and station standers on the other. Some problems are self inflicted.

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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #47 on: May 05, 2010, 03:03:44 AM »
With all respect if you had evey hunted with dogs much and watched deer react to dogs in areas where they are hunted with them you would know the deer being chased move along in a large circle sometimes mesured in miles . Deer that are in the path often seldom move others drift out the path then move back. I stand hunt also and can truthfully say dogs running deer near my stand has given me more shots than ever messed me up. The deer not being run seem to feel safe after the dogs pass and move about more , maybe they feel the danger left with the dogs who knows. And i have a little over 10 acres that i stand hunt and seldom is a day that dogs running deer don't cross it in season . It dosen't bother me in the least. And i plant over an acre in food plot in one area and several small one in others .
Don't confuse slob hunters like you decribe or convict the dogs because of them . Respect includes understanding . The law here is you can go on other peoples land to retrive your dogs . You cannot carry a weapon or use a vehicle if the land owner says no . You must also know the dog is there not just go looking .
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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #48 on: May 05, 2010, 05:12:23 PM »
Being raised here in Louisiana I can say I have hunted deer with dogs a lot. My first years of deer hunting was with dogs. First with Red Bones and later with beagles. I understand how deer circle when ran. I have no problem with dog running when done properly. And I have seen and participated in hunts done properly. But in the last several years I have seen more and more slob hunting. I dont blame the dogs and still love to hear them run just not deliberately set on my lease uninvited,or people putting standers on my lease and family land without permission. I consider it no different than going to climb 1 of my stands only to find someone in it without my knowledge or consent. If done right it truly is a unique experience Done improperly it creates anger, hard feeling and in some cases violence or vandalism. Figure out how to stop the slobs and more people will look at dog hunting more favorably.

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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #49 on: May 06, 2010, 02:32:48 AM »
I'm a 100% for getting rid of slobs ! They only fuel the anti hunting agenda and split hunters into groups that become less effective in keeping hunting and shooting alive and well . Around here its hard to find road signs with out bullet holes in them , some in the city .
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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #50 on: May 06, 2010, 05:53:51 AM »
Kids are a big percentage of the "slobs" and many are not hunters.  NOT HAVING A PLACE TO SHOOT presents many many problems - particularly shooting at signs.

Poachers are slob hunters, but you don't find them shooting up signs.  Poachers want to remain sight and sound unseen.  Any trespasser (poacher), as someone without concent, that attempts to take wildlife (armed trespass is an attempt to take) is also a slob hunter.

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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #51 on: May 06, 2010, 06:50:28 AM »
Yep ! I just hate to see people like RH1 put honest dog hunters down because slobs ruin his hunt and dog hunters put down stand hunters when its the slobs (not hunters) hurting both. And yea it strikes a nerve with me .
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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #52 on: June 11, 2010, 01:38:32 PM »
I don't think I "Put down" other styles of hunting;  It's just that "Hunting" has changed drastically in my lifetime & it's sad to see.  When I started hunting it was to control the deer herd to keep the numbers down and prevent winter starvation, depredation, road kills, etc. while filling the family freezer.  Tree stands were primarily used by archery hunters and rifle "Hunters" primarily hunted deer on foot either by stalking or still hunting, and sometimes driving if you had enough participants and open deer range.  Most hunters at that time learned the techniques from family members who passed down their skills to the younger generation.  Now with outdoor channels and broken homes, the new generation seems to have changed the definition of "Hunting" to include food plots, ground blinds, 300 yard sniper rifles, etc.  Now hunters actually try to increase the deer herd and make them dependent on humans for their food and forage.  Instead of learning how to "Hunt" from their older family members, they are tuning in to Outdoor channel etc. and sucked into new advertising gimics to make hunting more of a competitive game than filling the freezer.  Now they are more concerned with rack score than feeding the family and controlling deer numbers.  Or maybe Im just turning into an ole fart.

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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #53 on: June 11, 2010, 03:56:02 PM »
 ;) rebAL, While I feel much like you on the change in hunting, methods...your comment on the 300 yd. sniper rifle struck a cord with me...I have shot deer at close range, and long...for  my money, the longer shot takes the spot light every time...shooting a buck at 50 yards with a rifle or good handgun takes some skill, taking one at 300 takes precision shooting...one can purposely pick a stand for long shooting just like one in heavy brush for short range....it is available...in some cases the long shot is not available due to country...I understand that, but I have done both and the skill of the long shot is where it is at for me, IF you are a praticed rifleman...Shootingt a buck a 250 yards with an open sighted rifle is to me not sporting...due to the chances for a cripple...I don't feel offended at the comment, but these are the things I think John was commenting about when he started this thread...it is like the guy who claims hunting with a handgun takes a higher level of skill...it requires one be closer to his game, that can be over come by taking the proper stand, I don't think because one hunts with a hand gun he is a "better" hunter than I....Long range shooting has been part of our country's history as long as we have been a country...look at the buffalo hunters, and Tim Murphey, his game was a British general and his long shot is credited with turning the Revolution into our favor....The TV verion of hunting is sicking at best...After years in the west, I find hunting from a stand for days waiting for a deer to show itself, not much fun....I am used to moving, glassing, waiting for short periods of time then moving on...hard to do in most areas of the country east of the big river....

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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #54 on: June 11, 2010, 05:41:25 PM »
Agreed!  Out west long shots are more the rule.  I was referring to shooting out of elevated shooting platforms overlooking food plots.  I have the utmost respect for accurate long range shooters.  I do, however, make a distinction between shooting & hunting.

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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #55 on: June 12, 2010, 04:47:41 AM »
     This post has been spirited as it should be, HOWEVER when one starts calling some a COWARD or THIN SKINED and SLOB HUNTER it is time to cut back on the personel attacks, 1st warning and the LAST warning.  Have fun but lets keep it as it should be.   Jim

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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #56 on: June 13, 2010, 12:25:02 PM »
As long as we respect the animal, obey the laws, and respect our fellow hunters there should be no criticism of the methods we choose.

There are some (legal) methods I don't enjoy, but if you do then go for it and don't worry about what other people think.

That sums it up right there. But theirs always gonna be someone who doesnt approve of your methods. 

How many of us HERE are willing to extend that same courtesy to the CALIBER and firearm used????????????


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« Reply #57 on: June 14, 2010, 04:09:41 AM »
In what way ? A cal. we are good with and have proven its and our ablity or one imposed by others assumptions ?
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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #58 on: June 14, 2010, 06:38:15 AM »
In what way ? A cal. we are good with and have proven its and our ablity or one imposed by others assumptions ?


To refrain from putting down others choice of legal caliber for their home state that might not meet someones level of adequacy.


I'll guarantee you I can dig up a few 233 for deer threads and come up with half the posters here who are  full of +1's here dissing the OP's careridge choice.  Nevermind bringing up the subject that one state allows rimfires.  

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JASmith You are NOT offending the Moderator a bit, as I have on several occasions posted my opinion of the 223 for deer, It just seems like more and more people try to see just how small of a caliber they can use rather than MAN up and get a proper caliber for the JOB, If I couldnt handle a deer rifle in a proper caliber I just wouldnt deer hunt and stay home with the other WOMEN!!   Jim

soemhow doesn't really jive with post

   As long as your METHOD or STYLE of hunting is LEGAL in your state it is fine here, some people think their states law croses state lines and so their opinion should, well NEITHER are further from the truth hunt as you like as long as it is LEGAL in your state, remember the hunt is the enjoyable part not the HARVEST, some will learn that as they GROW UP and get a little hair under their ARMS.   Jim

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Re: putting down others' styles of hunting
« Reply #59 on: June 14, 2010, 07:49:17 AM »
krochus, it comes as no surprise that the (unintentional) 1953 World Record Grizzly Bear was shot and killed with a rimfire 22 caliber long rifle single shot (in an emergency) from a distance of about 6-feet, right behind the ear, according to “Grizzly Guns” by H. V. Stent [ http://www.angelfire.com/on2/LandOwner/misc/Grizley1.html ]

Would I hunt grizzly with a rimfire?  No.  

But, without thinking twice, and it must be legal, I will hunt with one in which I am throughly familiar for hogs from a steady rest, 25-yards or less, elevated position, and a specific head presentation by the hog.  In the "X" between ears and eyes, hogs go down HARD and stay down.

I won't put down someone's method, caliber, preference, etc.  Just too much Anti-Gun/Anti-Hunting sentiment for me to be adding to that.