Author Topic: new bronze (Read 49349 times)

RocklockI · « **Reply #240 on:** May 26, 2010, 01:46:21 PM »

Sir William ,5th Duke of of the "Old Order" 16 on the 4th of July . He lays where he likes !

Tough as nails .

Sorry Tim your gun will come "Blessed" by William , We call him Willie .

dan610324 · « **Reply #241 on:** May 26, 2010, 02:03:40 PM »

now I feel tired

gulfcoastblackpowder · « **Reply #242 on:** May 26, 2010, 02:17:21 PM »

At least Willie didn't bless it in any other way!

dan610324 · « **Reply #243 on:** May 26, 2010, 02:30:43 PM »

wait until he wakes up

Spuddy · « **Reply #244 on:** May 26, 2010, 04:14:47 PM »

Looks great Gary! Tell Willie not to get too attached. I am impressed you risked your life to retrieve it.

RocklockI · « **Reply #245 on:** June 03, 2010, 01:34:21 PM »

Today Mike and I drilled the bore ! It involved making an aluminium collar with matching taper tapped on very tight and JB welded it on . We turned the collar down to the proper dia for the steady rest . It worked well .

Tommorow ill true up the astrigills and start polishing, then I will drill the vent .
the muzzle pic looks kinda rough but it was just burrs and is all cleaned up now .

More later Gary

Spuddy · « **Reply #246 on:** June 03, 2010, 02:57:28 PM »

I love the way the muzzle looks on this cannon. I like polish as well.

seacoastartillery · « **Reply #247 on:** June 04, 2010, 12:39:19 PM »

Well, Spuddy, if you really like polish, you're going to love your 1838 Bronze gun after Gary finishes it. He came to the Broomfield Cannon Works today, once more to spend hours on the front end of your cannon. It's looking real nice. Neither Mike nor I could find fault and you know how picky those career inspectors are!!

Tracy and Mike

RocklockI · « **Reply #248 on:** June 04, 2010, 02:16:41 PM »

Thank you for posting that Tracy .

Spuddy · « **Reply #249 on:** June 04, 2010, 04:28:57 PM »

Thanks for the photos and the updates. I am enjoying the anticipation. It is going to be worth the wait.

RocklockI · « **Reply #250 on:** June 08, 2010, 11:47:32 AM »

Today I nailed the muzzle ! those pics you sent are a lifesaver .

Its ready to come out of the steady rest there is an aluminum collar around the bronze which rides in the steady rest . I'll turn it around in the lathe to get at the base ring and cascabel .

Gary more soon .

eta for hidious spelling ...

Spuddy · « **Reply #251 on:** June 08, 2010, 11:50:28 AM »

Wicked nice Gary!

RocklockI · « **Reply #252 on:** June 08, 2010, 11:58:50 AM »

this is the full pic Tim sent me .

RocklockI · « **Reply #253 on:** June 09, 2010, 11:46:30 AM »

Update , Today the gun came off the lathe . In the first pic you can see the aluminum collar that was in the steady rest and the breech collar ring which protected the breech ring from the 3 jaw.

Then sliting it with the mill .

Back into the lathe

more muzzle love !

even being very carfull I scratched the swell with the ring , so more polish on it too .

Gary

Spuddy · « **Reply #254 on:** June 09, 2010, 01:26:28 PM »

Muzzle love

Double D · « **Reply #255 on:** June 09, 2010, 01:34:14 PM »

What are you going to use as a sealant after you polish?

RocklockI · « **Reply #256 on:** June 09, 2010, 01:41:27 PM »

I have not thought of sealant . What would you suggest ?

Zulu · « **Reply #257 on:** June 09, 2010, 02:20:52 PM »

If you seal it, it will never patina. Is that what you want? I don't think so.
Zulu

RocklockI · « **Reply #258 on:** June 09, 2010, 02:40:42 PM »

No, I'm not sealing it . Tim may if he wants to .

I think he said something about recreating all those dents on the muzzle himself .

Double D · « **Reply #259 on:** June 09, 2010, 02:53:58 PM »

I was just wondering... Sealant probably wouldn't be a good idea for a shooting gun. For a book self gun it wouldn't hurt. I would think the casting supply house you are dealing with would have something.

The patination chemicals I used on the SAMCC guns offer some protection, but I didn't do mine for that purpose. I wanted to to away with the pimp yellow of the brass and give it a more bronze look. I could have got other colors including verdigris color.

dan610324 · « **Reply #260 on:** June 09, 2010, 03:24:58 PM »

its a lot of different ways to seal the surface against ageing
but personally I like to let it age naturally

the most common ways to seal it is either :
paint it with clear coat
wax it , you could use car wax for example
or put on some artificial patina

the most common is probably to get it the artificial patina of your wish and then wax it
thats whats used on most sculptures

seacoastartillery · « **Reply #261 on:** June 09, 2010, 04:55:35 PM »

We were surprised to learn today, from Bronze boy, himself, that one of the favorite patina producing methods in the old days was to bury your bronze item in a shallow depression in a dirt floor stable and let the horses do what comes naturally on the buried bronze. We also heard an anecdotal story which confirms this method, but replaces horse urine with moose urine. It's supposed to yield similar results in half the time.

I really doubt if Gary has the patience necessary for this task, so Spuddy, it looks like it's up to you. Here is a cautionary word from your friends in Broomfield, however; when you are in the Maine woods looking to select and then stake out a friendly, compliant Moose, please remember these words: make sure the moose you select does not have Obama's current temperment, that of actively looking for "some ass to kick", because in your case, the ass kicked might be your own!!

He, he. Sorry, couldn't resist.

Mike and Tracy

RocklockI · « **Reply #262 on:** June 09, 2010, 05:26:03 PM »

That was funny there !

The only thing I might add is that better than Bullwinkles ...... you know ....?

,according to Tracy is Moose Milk !

I wouldn't try it !

. But you might Tim ? Tracy said the milk is the best !

A compliant Moose ....

Good luck with that one !

What is the sound of one assuaulted Moose in the woods clapping if noone is there to hear it ?

Sorry Tracy I'm sticking to natual tarnish ..... I mean patina ...

Gary

some of this story is not true at !

KABAR2 · « **Reply #263 on:** June 09, 2010, 05:48:07 PM »

Quote from: RocklockI on June 09, 2010, 05:26:03 PM

That was funny there !

The only thing I might add is that better than Bullwinkles ...... you know ....?

,according to Tracy is Moose Milk !

I wouldn't try it ! . But you might Tim ? Tracy said the milk is the best ! A compliant Moose ....

Good luck with that one !

What is the sound of one assuaulted Moose in the woods clapping if noone is there to hear it ?

Sorry Tracy I'm sticking to natual tarnish ..... I mean patina ...

Gary

some of this story is not true at !

Gary,

You have brought back memories of my Rev. War re-enacting days when at night in camp men would
drink and sing songs........... there is a moose song out there that I can not repeate in polite company.....

The M1841 is coming along nicely how are you going to polish the trunnions to match the rest?

Allen <><

RocklockI · « **Reply #264 on:** June 09, 2010, 07:07:53 PM »

Quote from: KABAR2 on June 09, 2010, 05:48:07 PM

Quote from: RocklockI on June 09, 2010, 05:26:03 PM
That was funny there !

The only thing I might add is that better than Bullwinkles ...... you know ....?

,according to Tracy is Moose Milk !

I wouldn't try it ! . But you might Tim ? Tracy said the milk is the best ! A compliant Moose ....

Good luck with that one !

What is the sound of one assuaulted Moose in the woods clapping if noone is there to hear it ?

Sorry Tracy I'm sticking to natual tarnish ..... I mean patina ...

Gary

some of this story is not true at !

Gary,

You have brought back memories of my Rev. War re-enacting days when at night in camp men would
drink and sing songs........... there is a moose song out there that I can not repeate in polite company.....

The M1841 is coming along nicely how are you going to polish the trunnions to match the rest?

Allen <><

I would like to hear the Moose song in an IM .

Also I would like to and sit in camp with you and drink and sing songs .....even in church I'm was but a hummer ...... But it's been too long since a camping trip for me .

I have a chiminia (sp) thing out back I can fire up ....and it sounds like a good idea right now as this is one sweet high plains Colorado evening .

We could sit and reminece about things we didnt do together . I might break out in a course of Johnny Cashes
"Shoe Shine Boy song"

Oh , nearly forgot .......one other itsy bittsy little tinny tenny tiny weeny little ting ...... hardly worth a mention really ....
except by someone who has become posseced by the Bronze demon ....... with any luck at all it is an 1838 not a 41'

Off to the back yard .

KABAR2 · « **Reply #265 on:** June 10, 2010, 01:13:53 AM »

Quote from: RocklockI on June 09, 2010, 07:07:53 PM

Oh , nearly forgot .......one other itsy bittsy little tinny tenny tiny weeny little ting ...... hardly worth a mention really ....
except by someone who has become posseced by the Bronze demon ....... with any luck at all it is an 1838 not a 41'

Off to the back yard .

Yeah I knew that I was just checking to see if anyone was paying attention

An Iron monger your not!

Spuddy · « **Reply #266 on:** June 10, 2010, 01:25:15 AM »

I saw an episode on Mythbusters once where they were catching dog unine in a park in a most demeaning way. I don't know if that would work too well with moose. I have been on three moose hunts in the past few years, and part of the job is to paw the guts out of the critter. I remember in all three episodes that there was plenty of patina juice, you need to be very careful to keep it in its place so as to not ruin the meat. To use this method of collection does not require a compliant moose, just a room temperature one. I think I am going to go for natural patina. Tracy I have on more than one occasion almost had my --- kicked by a moose, but with good breaks and a bit of providence and alot of fear was able to avoid the beast.

dan610324 · « **Reply #267 on:** June 10, 2010, 02:22:33 AM »

could it be more natural than using moose urin ??

ok you could have a few cold ones and p on it by yourself

either way will probably give the same result

KABAR2 · « **Reply #268 on:** June 10, 2010, 02:33:27 AM »

Quote from: dan610324 on June 10, 2010, 02:22:33 AM

could it be more natural than using moose urin ??

ok you could have a few cold ones and p on it by yourself

either way will probably give the same result

yes but where's the challenge in that?

Cat Whisperer · « **Reply #269 on:** June 10, 2010, 04:37:44 AM »

Quote from: KABAR2 on June 10, 2010, 02:33:27 AM

Quote from: dan610324 on June 10, 2010, 02:22:33 AM
could it be more natural than using moose urin ??
ok you could have a few cold ones and p on it by yourself
either way will probably give the same result

yes but where's the challenge in that?

It COULD be quite challanging, depending on whether the fuse is lit or not.