Author Topic: Looming Catastrope (Read 4210 times)

blind ear · « **Reply #30 on:** May 01, 2010, 05:50:29 AM »

Quote from: eddiegjr on April 29, 2010, 03:22:56 AM

Another unbridled Coorporation strikes.

jimster · « **Reply #31 on:** May 01, 2010, 09:44:16 AM »

No matter what you do people still die, things happen. My dad worked for Consumer Power company, people died there too sometimes from high voltage.
I suppose if something went wrong in a big wind turbine one of those big wind propellers could come off and fly through the air and cut some heads off too.

Things happen...people die in cars everyday too...what you gonna do, outlaw cars too? People are going to have to just suck it up, find out what you can do different after something breaks, and make it different if you can. There is a such thing as regulating you so much all you can do is sleep ya know...and then what...somebody dies in their sleep. They probably will regulate that someday.

No company wants anyone to get hurt or wreck the water of land...it's not like they wanted it to happen, it just does sometimes. The world ain't perfect.

blind ear · « **Reply #32 on:** May 01, 2010, 01:01:44 PM »

A blowout, It's not like they wanted it to happen but it was a strong possibility that if it did happen it could cause great harm. If the devices had been used to be able to control the accident there would have been the posibility of control. If the device didn't work it should be required to build one that would. The cost of the device would have been the price of doing business (tax deductable,the corps recognize this).

As in the case of General Motors with thier retirement funds and health care cost for retirees, the company was allowed to "use" the money rather than put it in a compound interest savings, and they "would just take it from profits" when the time came to pay the retired workers benefits. When the time came the profits weren't there.

Same thing with social security, the Government uses the money rather than set the money aside and the money isn't there when the time comes. It isn't the governments money, it belongs to the people that sacraficed the taxes. The government and coorporations set the system up to force people to work longer and then they (government and coorporations) kill jobs/manufactureing and offshore all they can to boot. Sounds like a scheem to keep workers enslaved and force low wages through excessive labor availability.

It isn't the governments or the oil company's coastline, it belongs to the people. We must "make" the coorporations act responsibly, we can't expect them to act responsibly voluntarily.

Coorporations and the government, the only things thier history proves is that they are irresponsible.

mechanic · « **Reply #33 on:** May 01, 2010, 01:21:22 PM »

I'm still waiting to hear what caused the explosion that began all this......terrorism, perhaps? Very close to "earth day"......

rdmallory · « **Reply #34 on:** May 01, 2010, 01:42:35 PM »

What I hate besides the loss of life. Is the 6,500 barrels of oil a day we are going to have to purchase form OPEC to make up for the loss. That is over 4.8 million a day is loss revenue. I am assuming the US gets a percentage of the income off the oil pumped by BP.

Doug

Mikey · « **Reply #35 on:** May 01, 2010, 01:45:15 PM »

It's a trap. The d-rats torpedoed the rig to set up a environmental catastrophe so they could move federal troops into the troubled south. Just watch, fema will move into the area pretty soon. Then you will have a real catastrophe.........

FourBee · « **Reply #36 on:** May 01, 2010, 05:00:08 PM »

Quote from: mechanic on May 01, 2010, 01:21:22 PM

I'm still waiting to hear what caused the explosion that began all this......terrorism, perhaps? Very close to "earth day"......

I heard that is was a bubble of natural gas. Supposedly, these Rigs have detectors so the operators can prevent such explosions.

DDZ · « **Reply #37 on:** May 02, 2010, 02:40:57 AM »

How about a torpedo from a North Korean sub.

no guns here · « **Reply #38 on:** May 02, 2010, 03:40:55 AM »

It was most likely a jewish-NWO plot to destabilize the economy of the Gulf Coast buy ruining tourism, fishing and boating as well as ruining the seafood industry. This would allow them to import more food from other countries and charge higher prices. Also, the illuminati, cognoscenti and one world government were probably involved... it was a way to force higher fuel prices so they could make more money... They ARE in control of everything, don'tchaknow?

Or it could have been an attack by muslim SEAL wannabee's...

Or it could have been by Al Gore trying hard to prove that we are messing up the environment...

or it could have been and accident. Mechanical things break. Stuff happens. No system designed and build by man will ever be 100% perfect no matter how many safeguards, regulations and inspections you mandate.

NGH

no guns here · « **Reply #39 on:** May 02, 2010, 03:42:27 AM »

Wow... My spelling has become absolutely atrocious. I'm going to have to work on that. I should have read my previous post before hitting "Post".

NGH

blind ear · « **Reply #40 on:** May 02, 2010, 05:25:31 AM »

What I hate the most other than the loss of life is seeing the beaches of Lousiana, Mississippi and Florida where my kids grew up swimming at on vacation being dammaged and all the wildlife we had so much fun observing being harmed. The seafood industry will surely take a big hit also.

beerbelly · « **Reply #41 on:** May 02, 2010, 05:55:08 AM »

The rich have fenced the rest of us from the beach anyway. They now say they own the property all the way to the waves. I know the law once was that the government owned the beach to the highest high water mark, and everyone could use it.
So let them pay to reclaim their beach, that I can no longer get to.
As for fishing the keep limits make it not worth while to go deep sea fishing any more. The gulf will in time clean it's self. So drill and keep on drilling. We need to get off rag head oil.
Beerbelly

no guns here · « **Reply #42 on:** May 02, 2010, 07:34:36 AM »

North Korea operates diesel subs that have neither the range or endurance to be able to get to the La coast. Not that it couldn't be done, but it would be noticed and we would have been watching and trailing. We would have been trailing their sub AND the support vessels from the time they left NK waters. North Korea does not have a BLUE WATER navy.

NGH

teamnelson · « **Reply #43 on:** May 02, 2010, 07:48:32 AM »

The explosion occurred at the point of entry into the sea floor, right? At nearly a mile down that's an incredible amount of pressure, too much for a diver or even a manned sub. And torpedoes are very susceptible to pressure as well.

Maybe it was sharks with lasers?

I don't think a conspiracy but never let a good catastrophe go to waste! Start passing out the Dawn and brushes to those with student loans.

It is even worse that were just now entering hurricane season so the potential is there to wash crude oil inland to Katrina or Ike levels making cleanup even harder.

BBF · « **Reply #44 on:** May 02, 2010, 08:16:43 AM »

Quote from: eddiegjr on May 02, 2010, 05:25:31 AM

................ The seafood industry will surely take a big hit also.

I was very recently in that part of the country and had an almost impossible task of finding any sea food that did NOT come from China. A few items came from Thailand and Korea. So if there was an industry on the coast, where did the produce go?? Overseas??

HellsBells, I am ticked to no end that even on my turf, we are a Maritme Province with Ocean darn near all the way around and trying to find local seafood is similarly impossible. Cold northern water type species aren't even caught here.

teamnelson · « **Reply #45 on:** May 02, 2010, 08:33:07 AM »

Th Rush and Savage have suggested foul play. Huffington says it all stems from this article here: http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1367.htm

Again, the event itself will be catastrophic but still minor compared to the political social effects. With so many already in a state of fear and mistrust we may never reach consensus as a nation as to what really happened and the rifts will get deeper.

mechanic · « **Reply #46 on:** May 03, 2010, 02:22:36 AM »

Now THAT is scary............

FourBee · « **Reply #47 on:** May 03, 2010, 03:44:09 AM »

TM7: In Feb. a bad dream was revealed by a godly man. It was focused on a city in Louisianna. When this Rig went up in smoke, I felt strongly there was a relation here, that's why I initiated this post. We should hope and pray for the best outcome, but be prepared for unexpected events to occur in the near future. Like a little extra cash in small bills for temporary needs. You can't buy a few dollars worth of gas or groceries with a $100 dollar bill if there is no small change at the business counter. Some large cities can't hold a supply of groceries for more than a day, and if the trucking has a delay time of one week, people will be getting hungry. We shouldn't panic , but use wisdom , and not be caught off guard.

magooch · « **Reply #48 on:** May 03, 2010, 04:16:43 AM »

I KNEW IT; IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!

FourBee · « **Reply #49 on:** May 03, 2010, 05:08:36 AM »

Quote from: magooch on May 03, 2010, 04:16:43 AM

I KNEW IT; IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!

now magooch; There you go, jumping to conclusions!

DDZ · « **Reply #50 on:** May 04, 2010, 12:56:03 PM »

Why all the bashing of BP? Like the Obama administration saying they have their foot on the throat of BP. With this disaster in the making don't you think that our government would be trying to offer all the help possible and come up with some solution to get the danged thing shut off. There will be plenty of time for finger pointing later. If oil companies were allowed to drill on land we wouldn't be punching holes in the ocean floor under 5,000 feet of water. So in a way we could blame government.

I would say oil companies track record has been pretty good. With the hundreds of rigs at sea and this being the first real catastrophe, I would say we have been lucky, or oil companies have been just plain good at what they do. When we are doing something like drilling a 30,000 foot hole under 5000 feet of ocean, something bad is bound to happen sometime, and it did.

Swampman · « **Reply #51 on:** May 04, 2010, 01:02:14 PM »

Nuclear is for sure the way to go. I support more offshore drilling too.

teamnelson · « **Reply #52 on:** May 04, 2010, 01:12:40 PM »

Its not the end of the world, but its the end of me eating gulf shrimp for awhile ... and that might as well be the same thing

It is because of the relatively small amount of reporting (relative to Katrina I mean) at the national level that I think this thing is really huge. 200,000 gals a day is now coming through the right wing channels too. We're talking millions of gals of water contaminated per day. Thank goodness the decisive administration has already successfully accomplished laying the blame on someone else, whew, and then "rapidly" conducted an on site visit to assess damage. Determinedly they put Janet Incompetano in charge; I would not be suprised if she discovers that Christian Homeschoolers are to blame for this atrocity.

Fortunately the local governments, the Coast Guard, the Navy, and others are already on the scene and hard at work doing the best they can.

teamnelson · « **Reply #53 on:** May 04, 2010, 06:10:04 PM »

The silly part was me not eating gulf shrimp ... like that'll ever happen.

This "event" has the potential to do more damage for a longer duration than Katrina and Ike combined, and it "feels" like our nation is in denial or at least shock about it. If by reporting you mean that we are all adequately informed that its BP's fault, then ok - I concur. Got it. I mean something else; this administration is getting a pass. 2.8 million gallons of oil and growing, with a 100 mile long face and growing, is fixing to make landfall on the SE coast ... but its all good, we know who to sue.

I sincerely pray for a light hurricane season so all of that doesn't get washed miles inland and exacerbate recovery efforts by a factor of 10.

DDZ · « **Reply #54 on:** May 05, 2010, 12:50:23 AM »

Quote from: TeamNelson on May 04, 2010, 06:10:04 PM

... but its all good, we know who to sue.

I sincerely pray for a light hurricane season so all of that doesn't get washed miles inland and exacerbate recovery efforts by a factor of 10.

Isn't that the truth! What is the Obama,s crack team of experts doing to help the situation? You would think that Rham Emanual, Pelosi, and Harry Ried would come up with something. After all they can fix everything else, so we are told. I guess its just easier to go around yelling, "Its all BP's fault waa, waa, waa. They will pay for everything, waa, waa, waa.

I praying also that they will be able to get the well sealed off.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #55 on:** May 05, 2010, 03:42:33 AM »

When we have an accident of this scale what does Obongo do? He sends the parasites of society down to help. I'm sure the lawyer parasites will be a big help in cleaning this up. Scum like Obongo begets scum.

magooch · « **Reply #56 on:** May 05, 2010, 05:37:49 AM »

TM7, it seems to me that you are presupposing that there is an alternative to foreign oil. We're told that we can green ourselves away from imported oil. Maybe so, maybe not, but in any case it isn't going to happen over night. Until something does come along, we have to get oil where we can. Unfortunately, that means we have to deal with the world as it come at us. And yes we do have to deal with the terrorists and misguided lunatics that for some reason managed to luck out and sit on the greatest, easiest to access pools of energy there is.

The present oil spill problem in the gulf will hopefully be a learning event and will make these operations better and more reliable. There will always be problems with any type of energy that we use. Even hydro-power, which I consider to be by far the best in everyway possible way, will someday have a collosal failure and a lot of people and stuff will be wiped away.

Where am I going with this? Heck, I don't know.

dukkillr · « **Reply #57 on:** May 05, 2010, 06:29:28 AM »

Quote from: magooch on May 05, 2010, 05:37:49 AM

TM7, it seems to me that you are presupposing that there is an alternative to foreign oil. We're told that we can green ourselves away from imported oil. Maybe so, maybe not, but in any case it isn't going to happen over night. Until something does come along, we have to get oil where we can. Unfortunately, that means we have to deal with the world as it come at us. And yes we do have to deal with the terrorists and misguided lunatics that for some reason managed to luck out and sit on the greatest, easiest to access pools of energy there is.

The present oil spill problem in the gulf will hopefully be a learning event and will make these operations better and more reliable. There will always be problems with any type of energy that we use. Even hydro-power, which I consider to be by far the best in everyway possible way, will someday have a collosal failure and a lot of people and stuff will be wiped away.

Where am I going with this? Heck, I don't know.

Good post.

BBF · « **Reply #58 on:** May 05, 2010, 07:56:10 AM »

Quote from: magooch on May 05, 2010, 05:37:49 AM

............................. Even hydro-power, which I consider to be by far the best in everyway possible way, will someday have a collosal failure and a lot of people and stuff will be wiped away. ..............

Hydro electric needs rivers and lakes. If you live and built a place downstream of a dam you got to be prepared of a lot of water coming your way in a hurry

. I don't think the enviroment is affected much if any at all.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #59 on:** May 05, 2010, 08:30:11 AM »

The reason it is hard to turn off is the depth and the weight of the water above. 5,000' deep is a lot of water weight.

They can make synthetic diesel out of natural gas and coal, which we have an abundant supply of both. They can make oil from algae in greenhouses, which Exxon is starting to do small scale at first to see how it works out. We can make 1/3 of our natural gas from cow manure from dairy farms, but it costs twice as much due being labor intensive. We can do a lot of things, but funding, taxes, etc, and our own government gets in the way.