Author Topic: Looming Catastrope (Read 4224 times)

teamnelson · « **Reply #60 on:** May 05, 2010, 08:46:53 AM »

TM7, excellent grasp of history and legal contingencies. Thank you. Yes evil war, yes alternate energy.

Now let's talk about this colossal pool of oil in the gulf. This didn't happen in the north sea or off the coast of Alaska. It happened in one of the busiest gulfs in the planet. Thousands will lose their income, millions will see prices go up on standard goods. That's before landfall. Summer is coming and tourism was already tanking - thousands more will cancel that trip to the beach. I'm sure I'm missing most of the secondary and tertiary impacts. Commercial property was recovering barely along the coast, residential property will be affected. So what's the recovery plan? How are we organized to mitigate? Are we prepositioning teams and feverishly planning contingencies for hurricane landfall washing coastal cities in oil, contaminating ground water and making property recovery a néw nightmare? I know Baptist Relief and other charitable organizations are bracing for a doozy of a summer.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #61 on:** May 05, 2010, 09:46:37 AM »

The same self righteous ideologues that condemned the Bush administration for slow reaction to Katrina are in power now and guess what, they are just now as we speak getting up in arms about the spill and in reality DOING NOTHING constructive ABOUT IT. Besides villainizing BP "we are gonna hold our boots on the throat of BP for this"

There are spill contingencies in place and have been since VALDEZ(OPA 90), yet they seem to have been a little slow with the get go!(8 days after) This citizen wonders if they just hate people that live in the gulf states and are dragging feet due to that!

Maybe the "crisis" ain't bad enough yet to nationalize big oil and shut down offshore drilling for good. Hmmmmm?

billy_56081 · « **Reply #62 on:** May 05, 2010, 10:22:01 AM »

Well if something gets done about it and it is cleaned up quickly, what will the parasitic lawyer that BHO sent down there have to sue about?

Oh wait they are lawyers they will make something up and sue about it!

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #63 on:** May 05, 2010, 10:26:59 AM »

Obama has the entire military at his disposal. I know they are using Coast Guard ships and two Air Force planes, but this is over a large area, looks like he could do more, just like Bush. In NO's case, all they had to do was ask FEMA. In this case, at sea, he should act before it hits land, and wait for one of the states to ask for help after it hits.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #64 on:** May 05, 2010, 10:42:46 AM »

Obama should fill all the Air Force super tankers with Dawn dish washing detergent and dump it on the slick , it makes grease and oil dissapear on TV !

billy_56081 · « **Reply #65 on:** May 05, 2010, 12:12:08 PM »

They, BP will have this fixed in a week or so if the parasitic lawyers and beaurocrats don't interfere. They are shipping the fix to the sight at this time. I'm sure that the parasites will do all they can to impede BP so they can sue for more and more.

teamnelson · « **Reply #66 on:** May 05, 2010, 12:18:09 PM »

Forgive me if I'm skeptical about the "fix" ... never tested fabricated caps, delivered to a depth of 5,000 feet on a site that erupted at a pressure level that exceeded the primary safety valves. This was a research drill site, plumbing experimental depths, that had never gone into production, using equipment that was designed on theory. I hope they have a fix, I really do.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #67 on:** May 05, 2010, 12:22:23 PM »

The nuclear bomb was a theory until we tested it in the Nevada desert. No one had even seen an atom much less split one. But ya know what they work. And really well just ask the japs.

Made in America, by stupid lazy Americans.

skarke · « **Reply #68 on:** May 05, 2010, 12:34:56 PM »

Micro Nucular powr is the future. It is the least of many evils in a burgeoning global economy, can and will be run safely, is pretty much in its smallest forms completely buried underground and impervious to attack without weeks of heavy equipment work.

This is a larger version, but they have developed power plants that can power as few as 30 or 40 homes, and are quite affordable.

http://www.hyperionpowergeneration.com/product.html

The China Syndrome is propaganda.

Chernobyl was a reactor design never used in the west, inferior in every way to what we use now, and vastly inferior to the technology of the 21st century.

I'd put one in my backyard and never miss a minute of sleep.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #69 on:** May 05, 2010, 05:12:40 PM »

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but it seems to be more on the magnitude of 200,000 gallons per day or greater.

Seems to be? We may never know what it actually is. Who trusts the press or the government to say the truth. You know anything about OPA 90 agent 7? its the governments responsibility, they made it so with OPA 90

This too shall pass! Anybody been and seen how the oil destroyed Alaska lately?

Nobody is saying a damned thing about the lives lost! only thing that bothers me.

FourBee · « **Reply #70 on:** May 05, 2010, 05:44:32 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on May 05, 2010, 12:22:23 PM

The nuclear bomb was a theory until we tested it in the Nevada desert. No one had even seen an atom much less split one. But ya know what they work. And really well just ask the japs.

Made in America, by stupid lazy Americans.

I still remember that morning. My family was headed for Lake Tahoe. It was early,just before before daylite, and we listened to the event taking place from the car radio. Dad told us to look out the windshield for the flash from the blast. It lit up the whole sky..................

skarke · « **Reply #71 on:** May 06, 2010, 03:27:10 AM »

TM,

Basically, the things use uranium. We have enough refined uranium already to fuel reactors for a very, very long time. The units are modular, sealed, and designed to be replaced every 10 years or so. There is 0 emissions, the spent units are processed like other nuculur waste, their footprint is tiny.

We could slime up every swimming pool on the planet and not produce enough algae to fuel this country, but every powered thing could be run on the product of nuclear energy.

If we started now, I've heard it said that we could have this entire economy converted to nuclear power in a matter of 2 decades.

BBF · « **Reply #72 on:** May 06, 2010, 11:34:24 AM »

I'm sure that the oil spill is a good excuse to raise gas prices, even up here.

teamnelson · « **Reply #73 on:** May 06, 2010, 11:38:53 AM »

Oil actually dropped 2 bucks a barrel yesterday for some reason ...

blind ear · « **Reply #74 on:** May 06, 2010, 01:23:28 PM »

They are loading the spring in the launch pad.

ToadHill · « **Reply #75 on:** May 06, 2010, 02:16:09 PM »

I remember in the 70's I had a co-worker who thought everything Kennedy was the be all end all. Well someone stuck a bumpersticker on his Datsun and he ran around town for a couple months with it and his Kennedy sticker on the other side. It read "More people died at Chappiquidic than at Three Mile Island."

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #76 on:** May 07, 2010, 05:29:57 AM »

We can complain but in the end we the gas buyers will pay the bill , Exxon is still in business and BP will be also. You can buy different brands but you have no clue where the crude came from .
Funny thing was / is not many complained when the oil was comming . No not until an accident happened did Govt. or anyone else complain .
Bottom line is we want cheap gas and diesel . Which helps keep the price of all goods down from food to toys . So in the end we will pay the price and forget about it in a few years and go on with life . All the hand wringing now won't mean a thing.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #77 on:** May 07, 2010, 08:48:05 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on May 07, 2010, 05:29:57 AM

We can complain but in the end we the gas buyers will pay the bill , Exxon is still in business and BP will be also. You can buy different brands but you have no clue where the crude came from .
Funny thing was / is not many complained when the oil was comming . No not until an accident happened did Govt. or anyone else complain .
Bottom line is we want cheap gas and diesel . Which helps keep the price of all goods down from food to toys . So in the end we will pay the price and forget about it in a few years and go on with life . All the hand wringing now won't mean a thing.

I AGREE

NO ONE COMPLAINSABOUT OIL UNTIL SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS OR THE PRICE GOES UP!

Get a grip fellas, men died producing oil to make your bass boats and trucks go ,

Its a part of the deal, quit whining and enjoy the Fuel while it lasts

billy_56081 · « **Reply #78 on:** May 07, 2010, 10:34:24 AM »

My question is, what good does fining a corporation or buisiness do? Will not the costs of these fines be passed on to the consumer? I think what needs to be done in a case where blame can be diectly assigned is prison terms for those liable.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #79 on:** May 07, 2010, 10:37:45 AM »

billy about the same as taxing one

billy_56081 · « **Reply #80 on:** May 07, 2010, 10:40:29 AM »

Exactly shootall. But being our less intelligent liberal parasite friends do not see this tax on their pay stub, to them it doesn't exist.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #81 on:** May 07, 2010, 10:45:10 AM »

out of sight out of mind ! first law of politics

teamnelson · « **Reply #82 on:** May 07, 2010, 11:30:12 AM »

War on oil is like a war on drugs, it's hypocritical for the consumer to be morally outraged against the producer. Chain of logic, if there was no market, there would be no corporation. If you want oil, as has been said, pay the man. Whose fault is it that there was a rig in the gulf in the first place? Mine. Why can't this spill just be an industrial accident? Are we saying all accidents are preventable?

mechanic · « **Reply #83 on:** May 07, 2010, 12:08:29 PM »

Quote from: TeamNelson on May 07, 2010, 11:30:12 AM

War on oil is like a war on drugs, it's hypocritical for the consumer to be morally outraged against the producer. Chain of logic, if there was no market, there would be no corporation. If you want oil, as has been said, pay the man. Whose fault is it that there was a rig in the gulf in the first place? Mine. Why can't this spill just be an industrial accident? Are we saying all accidents are preventable?

+1

skarke · « **Reply #84 on:** May 07, 2010, 12:09:20 PM »

Quote from: TeamNelson on May 07, 2010, 11:30:12 AM

War on oil is like a war on drugs, it's hypocritical for the consumer to be morally outraged against the producer. Chain of logic, if there was no market, there would be no corporation. If you want oil, as has been said, pay the man. Whose fault is it that there was a rig in the gulf in the first place? Mine. Why can't this spill just be an industrial accident? Are we saying all accidents are preventable?

+2

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #85 on:** May 07, 2010, 12:12:02 PM »

yep ! money !

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #86 on:** May 07, 2010, 01:40:29 PM »

An industrial accident for most people these days would involve the copier jamming or a White Out spill. Very few people understand what it takes to make the lights come on or get the cappichino machine running at the local Stop and Rob. They hope fairy dust and platitudes will make the world go around.

You work hard and think hard to avoid the sort of thing going on in the Gulf. In the end it is all subject to human mistakes.

I drive through the Dakota Badlands every week. When I was growing up we called the same sort of landscape... STRIP MINES in Illinois. My point is as bad as this is it ain't the end, its just a new reality. Mother earth has and will continue to deal with worse on its own schedule not ours.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #87 on:** May 07, 2010, 03:11:35 PM »

Nope TM there are some indutries you don't have much of a choice but to buy their products. Food and fuel are a couple that come to mind. Hwy just wondering did the Jews do this too?

blind ear · « **Reply #88 on:** May 08, 2010, 05:40:58 AM »

An auto that gets 35+ MPG and a house with an R-value insulation greater than 40 and it's thermal mass inside of the insulation envelope will sure cut the ammount of fuel and electricity you HAVE to buy. Throw in some wood heat and the expenses go down even more.

In a web search several sites quote the world as useing 1000 barrels of oil per secound.