Author Topic: do you guys get better performance with the super colib's than cb-longs ? (Read 3045 times)

gendoc · « **on:** April 27, 2010, 01:52:04 PM »

after bout 28yrds the cb's go into orbit...

what kinda results yall get from the supers ?
and are they shhhhhh, quiet like the cb's
really wanting to know about the accuracy
before i throw down and try them and are they on a long
or long rifle platform ?
thanks

Doublebass73 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 27, 2010, 06:30:27 PM »

I've only shot the supers at 25 yards but they were accurate and sounded like an air rifle going off. I have both in my ammo can but haven't tried the CB's yet. Next time I go to the range I will do a comparison of both, accuracy and sound wise. I like the supers for pest control without bothering the neighbors.

gcrank1 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 28, 2010, 05:54:22 AM »

Gee, John, you know how it is....every gun has its own idea of what it likes. All mine shoot CBs on out to 50yd pretty decent, though I -0- for that any varmint shots are closer, like within your 28yd.
You know you are just going to have to pick up a box and try 'em in yours. (still way cheaper than CFs to play around with)
I eagerly await your definative report!

fredster22 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 28, 2010, 07:36:16 AM »

john, I like them for what I use them for because of close neighbors. At the 15-20yds I use them at they very accurate and very
quiet out of my 24" T-bolt. They do take precise shots to bang-flop tree rats. The CB longs are more powerful and of course much
louder. They also don't feed out of the clip but my rifle has a single shot adapter. The casing is similiar length of the CB Long & Long rifle
but the bullet is only 20 gr compared to 29 gr for the cb long. The only one I haven't tried is the Rem CBee 22lr 33gr as have not been
able to find. Picture shows comparison LR CB SC fred

gendoc · « **Reply #4 on:** April 28, 2010, 12:55:18 PM »

i've been a true believer in the cb's for years....
i just have read so many good results from the colib's
ifin they ain't got the horsepower the cb's have, heck wif'um !!!

thats why i asked.. so i would not waste my time
and i don't know bout the 50yrd thang !!!
i have 27, 22 rimfires and none will hold the cb much further than 30yrds
and there not all $120 handi's. from anny's to jacksons and rugers to cz's
with barrel lengths from 16-30"
i guess i'll stick with the cb's

thanks !!!

gcrank1 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 28, 2010, 03:50:24 PM »

I probably should have qualified my 'pretty decent' comment better. And I know you are more than a competent marksman. I can rock my 3" and 4" clangers often enough to feel pretty good about iron sight shootin' with them, and the trajectory is not unlike a 38 or 44 Spl at about 750fps, ie, similar ballistic coefficient, same velo = similar traj. The mid-range traj. is something Im used to.
I really wouldnt be trying to take game with CBs at that distance, though a tiny varmint that had ticked me off real bad I might (if I could see it!).
Now at 25-30yd. CBs are, as you noted, perhaps at their best. At that distance (yes, and more) even an air rifle has felled small game, but I kinda like the 'bang'.

gendoc · « **Reply #6 on:** April 28, 2010, 04:19:46 PM »

me too !!! i thank its the gunpowder smell.....

3leggedturtle · « **Reply #7 on:** April 29, 2010, 08:22:40 AM »

Fredster: The RP CBees have a louder pop to them than CCI Cb's but not as much as a standard velocity 22lr. They will punch thru one side of an empty 1# propane can and put big dent on other side. They expand nicely on the metal. Dont know where u live, but if you have a Blain's farm and fleet store nearby they always have them in stock for $6 a hundred.

Airsporter · « **Reply #8 on:** April 30, 2010, 01:43:41 AM »

I had bad luck with the Rem CB's. One in five being way underpowered (noticeably lower sound and bullets hits way low). Maybe I got a bad brick. But the CCI and Aguila rounds are great. The CB longs have the definite edge in power. I believe they have a smidgen of powder in them. The Super Colibri long rifles are primer powered and very quiet. I took a groundhog out of the backyard a week or so ago with a Colibri round (less than 10 yds), but prefer the CCI's for that job.

Dinny · « **Reply #9 on:** May 03, 2010, 06:51:20 PM »

I have killed lots of rabbits and squirrels in town with CCI CB Longs. I actually prefer to use them when I hunt squirrels, they don't alarm the others nearly as much as standard 22lr ammo. I once shot 5 squirrels out of the same tree. I'll never forget that day, 9-11-01.

If you're looking for quiet, here's another idea.

http://www.srtarms.com/

Thanks, Dinny

gcrank1 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 04, 2010, 10:05:51 AM »

FWIW, we have a 'boy's rifle' match (like old Stevens Favorite, Marksman, Crackshot, Rem No.4, etc., open sights only) on std. 22 silhouettes set closer, ie, 12 1/2 yd.chickens / 25 pigs / 37 1/2 turkeys / 50 rams. Only .22 CB Shorts can be used, and yes, the rams will fall IF you hit them above center, preferrably top third of body.
It is a great, fun match that most anybody can set up inexpensively and try if you allow any sporting 22 with open sights as the main class.

Airsporter · « **Reply #11 on:** May 28, 2010, 02:57:14 PM »

Took 3 more groundhogs out today with CCI CB Longs. Hope that's the last of em for this year.

ELMO · « **Reply #12 on:** May 29, 2010, 12:36:18 PM »

I wish my sportster liked the CCI CB Longs, but they don't shoot worth a darn out of my gun. I did like how they were quieter than regular .22 long rifle, but I can't use them....

ironglow · « **Reply #13 on:** May 29, 2010, 01:07:23 PM »

Colibris don't compare to CB longs (IMO); they have too much of a rainbow trajectory which must be accounted for when using a rifle sighted in for other ammo. I would be very cautious about using plain Colibris in anything over a 18-20 inch barrel, Super Colibris make some difference but still nbot near trhe CBs (CCI). Also, the CB longs will cycle in rifles other than autos.

gcrank1 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 30, 2010, 04:55:08 AM »

ELMO, try the CB-Shorts, if you havent. We found some CB-Longs to be inconsistant enough to be dismal. A switch to CB-Shorts was much better, but dont expect them to be long distance rounds. For yard varmints I have one rifle sighted in for dead-on 15yds. as the offenders are pretty small, but the CBs are quite accurrate in my rifles out to 35ish yds. and still hit my steel 'junk' at 50 regularly enough to be satisfying.
For more punch the Rem(?) Small Game .22LR (sub-sonic) in a long barreled old rifle is the ticket. That combination is quiet and effective.
In fact, .22Short-HV is much louder from my Sportster barrel than the above.
At these lower velocities using the old Paco Kelly tool to impact a flat nose on the factory round nose seems to make a difference for hunting, and helps fill out the bullet dia. to the chamber for closer fit.

gendoc · « **Reply #15 on:** May 30, 2010, 10:11:43 AM »

elmo, the only sportster i have that will shoot the cb-longs is the one i chopped to 16.5"
and crowned...its accurate but, not as accurate as my 60 year old stevens model 84c
with a 24" barrel, bolt gun that cycles s/l/lr perfectly....
never had a problem shooting the cb-long and its range of accuracy is between 30-35 yrds
it has the see thru rings for close up iron shots and a 3-9x32 old simmons scope for a big picture
for my olt-n-tard eyes..

its taken hundreds of tree-rats around my house. long barrel= super quite
sounds like a daisy red rider bb-gun going off !!! and no worries of projectile getting stuck in the barrel
like some tend to say.......

gcrank1 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 30, 2010, 04:02:41 PM »

I have not personally chrono'ed them, but the factory data for CBs is within a very few FPS between the short and long versions. Initially I thought it would be better to fill up as much of the chamber length as possible by using the longs, but I clean the chamber anyway after 50ish, so no worries. CB Shorts are more common here so now I just get them.

gendoc · « **Reply #17 on:** June 06, 2010, 12:48:41 PM »

gcrank, i have noticed a difference in the cb-shorts vs cb-longs... accuracy out to limits
shorts do about 20-25 yrds in my 84c. and 30-35yrds with the longs.
your correct about sighting...one set will not compare to the other.
last year when the ammo freak-out started i bought 5 bricks of cb-longs and now the availability
of them are getting scarce in the stores. graf & son's has them from time to time and the same for the 17hm2. 3-4 years ago when i heard that it was going out of popularity i got several thousand rounds of eley
which i found to be what my tact-2 sportster perfered and was clean and cheap !!!

i really can't see why the popularity went away with the mach-2.... its a very accurate, fast, and deadly
rimfire. as for its dad, i'm not that fond of the hmr, but thats me !!! i like the 50gr federal game-shock
ammo in my custom ruger 10/22 wmr. now thats a handfull of lead out of a rimfire, kinda slow but it will flip a kiyot @ 100yrds several times

oh-lord !!!, don't get me off on the 10/22 thing......i'll be here for hours

i do luv my handi's too !!!!

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #18 on:** June 06, 2010, 01:02:01 PM »

I use both.
I like the CB's as they are quiet and accurate out to 75 yards
The Super Colibri i use out of the revolver or rifles in the garage or barn for for vermin.
The super colobri rounds get caught under the front sight of my Cz 452 with open sights but launch out of all the other rifles. But they are not real accurate past 10 yards.
The CB work well for game

gendoc · « **Reply #19 on:** June 06, 2010, 01:14:02 PM »

we talk'n bout the same cb's ?? the cci cb-long only has velocity of around 720 fps

i wish i could get that range out of mine....

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #20 on:** June 06, 2010, 02:55:30 PM »

Sorry i was going to write 25 yards and changed it to feet and still wrote yards.
They peter out past that.
We had a 50M range in my old back yard that I would shoot in and I needed to move about 1/2 way to get good groups but could hit the steel spinner the full lenght of the range.

gendoc · « **Reply #21 on:** June 21, 2010, 03:34:53 PM »

tried a few colibs past weekend....i don't like'um, neither does the rifle. the tree-rats luv'um

my gandsons friend had them, he cud'nt hit nut'n. he tried the cb-longs and got happy purdy quick
after glass adjustments. he was shoot'n one of them rossi trifecta in 22lr.
he's too young for the .243 and too lil for the 20ga. by the end of the day, he was shoot'n lika
pro with them cb-longs

gcrank1 · « **Reply #22 on:** June 22, 2010, 05:19:48 AM »

Have any of you done accurracy testing between the CB Shorts and Longs?
Regarding the S-Col., Im thinking they might be OK for little chipers and bad birds, close up, but maybe a good ,177 air rifle might do as well. If I use a .22 with them I will have to dedicate it, and it's sight/scope adj. to them alone. Not such a bad thing for me, as I have one I could do that with, as long as I 'tag it' to remember what its set up for.

gendoc · « **Reply #23 on:** June 22, 2010, 12:13:00 PM »

Quote from: gcrank1 on June 22, 2010, 05:19:48 AM

Have any of you done accurracy testing between the CB Shorts and Longs?

gcrank, i have noticed a difference in the cb-shorts vs cb-longs... accuracy out to limits
shorts do about 20-25 yrds in my 84c. and 30-35yrds with the longs.

and much tighter groups which the end result is much better on yard critters

Dweezil · « **Reply #24 on:** September 08, 2010, 07:48:38 AM »

Super colibris are good for back yard pigeon control...maximum effective range about 30 FEET out of a Savage MKII with a 16.5" barrel. Need to run an oiled patch thru the barrel about every 10 rounds or the bullets will get stuck in the bore. I wouldn't want to use anything more powerful in the city...too dangerous. Much quieter than the CB Longs. Just gotta get used to the "cat piss" smell of the Eley primers.

gcrank1 · « **Reply #25 on:** September 08, 2010, 07:56:14 AM »

Gendoc, IIRC the CB shorts and longs that I looked up had the same bullet weight and similar velo, indicating to me the powder charge is pretty much the same, so how come the range and performance difference? Physics is physics.

gendoc · « **Reply #26 on:** September 08, 2010, 02:04:09 PM »

my guess would be the "jump"...
out of my 84c stevens... its night and day difference, kinda like different fruit grown ona tree

might do great in your shooter....
thanks

gcrank1 · « **Reply #27 on:** September 08, 2010, 04:08:53 PM »

Yea, the real world kinda trumps armchairin', dont it........

MacTech · « **Reply #28 on:** December 04, 2010, 10:33:35 AM »

I apologize for bumping an old thread, but I've found that my guns tend to like the CCI CB series better than the Super Colibris, I've also tried the Rem. CBees

In terms of power/noise/accuracy, from best to worst, they go; Rem. CBee, CCI CB, Super Colibri

I've dissected all three rounds to see what makes 'em go, the SC has a double-thick dose of primer, and nothing more, the CCI CB has the thicker primer, *AND* .5 grains of propellant, the Rem CBees have the thicker primer and .8 grains of propellant, both the CCI CB and the Rem CBee contain a small amount of "gunpowder"

the CBee's group the best in my guns, *BUT* have an unacceptably high FTFire ratio and the velocity is not consistent, some are louder (overcharged) and some are quieter (undercharged), out of my last box of 100, I had five cartridges that would just plain not go off, when triaged, they had the .8 grains of propellant in them, but no priming compound

the CCI CB series are more consistent, very few over or undercharges, they are also rather quiet, in a break barrel Sportster, the sound of the hammer falling and the *thwump* of the bullet hitting the target are louder than the sound of the round going off, I have also had 100% reliability from these rounds, and I've shot a few hundred of them, they don't hit as hard as the Rem. CBees, but they are more consistent and reliable

the Super Colibris, well, the nicest thing I can say about them are they're the quietest of the bunch, nearly silent, the hammer fall is the loudest noise the gun will make, accuracy-wise, I have yet to find a rifle that will get decent groups with them beyond 15-20 yards, that seems to be the max distance in my guns, accuracy is hit-or-miss, mostly miss, IME, I'd limit myself to no more than 15 yard shoots with these

gcrank1 · « **Reply #29 on:** December 04, 2010, 10:48:22 AM »

Thats a pretty good bit of information; I'll tag it it and compare when I get to playin' or shoppin' for more ammo.
Thanx for the update (old posts never really die).