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WHY ?????
« on: May 02, 2010, 09:15:07 AM »
Why are the C&R handguns so much expensive over the others? (P38)

Why am i starting to see the surplus 9mm ammo priced the same as new wolf 9mm ammo? ($99 for 500rds)

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Re: WHY ?????
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2010, 07:12:33 AM »
Here in kaliforny people are buying ammo off the shelf as fast as it is put on the shelf. Doesn't matter if it is factory new, surplus,
reloads, or second hand. If people can sell ammo for twice what it is worth they will. Seen the price of gas recently? 
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2010, 08:20:13 AM »
If people can sell ammo for twice what it is worth they will.

Remember economics.  An item is worth whatever people will pay for it.  If people are consistently paying "twice what something is worth" then it's original "worth" was miscalculated, and the market has corrected the mistake.  That's the basis of capitalism ;).

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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2010, 05:29:43 PM »
If people can sell ammo for twice what it is worth they will.

Remember economics.  An item is worth whatever people will pay for it.  If people are consistently paying "twice what something is worth" then it's original "worth" was miscalculated, and the market has corrected the mistake.  That's the basis of capitalism ;).

 Is  it even possible to sell something for "twice the market price". Presumably,they mean the free market price,as the very statement implies that people are allowed to sell for whatever they think they can get. (Notice,its not "whatever they think is fair,as your certainly allowed to buy something and sell it for a price you think is downright unfair,just as a used car salesman. He KNOWS what he paid for that 97 Chevy and its no where near what you paid for it) The very definition of the market price is whatever price people are willing to pay and the seller is willing to sell for. If his products don't sell,its assumed that he will sell for less,if they all sell out,hes going to edge that price up and see if he can still sell them all. Thats why I don't get angry at the gas station when I see gas at 4 dollars a gallon. Most make a few cents a gallon on it and hope to sell Slurpies and sodas to turn a profit. (its the same with lottery tickets,they are to bring you in and hopefully sell you some outrageously overpriced grocery items or a soft drink or a case of beer) I get angry at the guy next to me whose also grumbling about the prices,by himself,driving a giant SUV that gets 11MPG.

 In the case of ammo,I cant really be angry at anyone. Its just the way it is. People are afraid there is going to be a giant tax or some sort of ban and they want to get what they need now and the factories cant keep up with demand in some cases. (Walmart here has ammo in stock most of the time now) I think they are going overboard or making bad decisions in many cases,but I cant really fault them for trying to look out for themselves. Personally,I think your a fool to stockpile thousands of rounds of retail ammunition. Perhaps surplus ammo like the spam cans of 7.62x54R make a little more sense,but stockpiling 20 dollar a box retail ammo is just being short sighted. For the cost of 10 boxes,you can buy all the stuff you need to reload your own ammo,including the equipment to cast bullets. Then you can stockpile enough brass powder and primers to last you forever. If you need gas checks,you can either stockpile them,or if you really had to,you could make them with a punch and a sheet of copper. (If your really desperate,you CAN get by without them) Actually,if you were REALLY desperate,you could go back to paper patched cast lead 45-70 loaded with home made black powder and the only thing that would give you grief would be primers,which again,if you were desperate enough,you could make with a punch,a sheet of brass and some knowledge of chemistry (and some risk of blowing your hand off). You would just need to get yourself some berdan brass as berdan primers would be a lot easier to make.

 Wow,that gives me a crazy,and probably dangerous idea. You could in theory,if you were crazy enough,make new berdan primers from sheet brass, and the priming compound from boxer primers,but I'm not going to go there because it IS a crazy and dangerous idea which is why I will leave it at a intellectual exercise and not actually try it.

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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2010, 05:20:42 PM »
The time for stockpiling has about past. too expensive now.
Too little available.
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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2010, 07:31:26 AM »
The time for stockpiling has about past. too expensive now.
Too little available.

Yep.  The latest craze has driven me more towards reloading though.  Don't get me wrong I'd been reloading for years now, but now, after a I save just a bit more I'm looking at buying a basic casting setup and shooting more .30-30 and .38 Special.  Shotting is getting expensive, so I'm cutting costs whereever I can.

As a bonus, my dad works in construction (drywall) and their company has been getting several contracts for building doctor's offices lately.  They insulate the x-ray rooms with lead sheeting, and normally throw away the extra at the end of the job.  After finding that out rather than throwing it away I'm having him just bring the extra home.  I've got just under 75 lbs ready to be melted now. 

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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2010, 02:00:57 PM »
My brother works in automotives so I have lots-o-tire weights!
Cousin is a Plumber (Lead drain pipes) I have enough lead to be casting
projectiles for a long while. Also found a good use for .22 LR cases.
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2010, 02:13:33 PM »
Did you make those cases into bullet jackets?  That's pretty neat.  How'd you manage that one?

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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2010, 06:28:12 PM »
The time for stockpiling has about past. too expensive now.
Too little available.

Yep.  The latest craze has driven me more towards reloading though.  Don't get me wrong I'd been reloading for years now, but now, after a I save just a bit more I'm looking at buying a basic casting setup and shooting more .30-30 and .38 Special.  Shotting is getting expensive, so I'm cutting costs whereever I can.

As a bonus, my dad works in construction (drywall) and their company has been getting several contracts for building doctor's offices lately.  They insulate the x-ray rooms with lead sheeting, and normally throw away the extra at the end of the job.  After finding that out rather than throwing it away I'm having him just bring the extra home.  I've got just under 75 lbs ready to be melted now. 

 Basic casting equipment is very reasonably priced.

 Im very suprised that anyone in their right mind would throw lead away. I would expect them to recycle it.

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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2010, 07:11:10 PM »
Im very suprised that anyone in their right mind would throw lead away. I would expect them to recycle it.

You'd be surprised what they throw away.  Pretty much anything that isn't used on one job gets tossed and new stuff bought again for the next one.  Extra metal studs, bags of insulation (some not even opened yet), excess sheetrock, etc.  If it's left over it's tossed.  About 12 years ago or so I had a summer job with the company that was basically just to carry out the scrap to the dumpster.  On the larger jobs I could fill a huge industrial sized container in less than a week (this was mostly just carrying out the extra sheetrock pieces).

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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2010, 07:26:01 PM »
Im very suprised that anyone in their right mind would throw lead away. I would expect them to recycle it.

You'd be surprised what they throw away.  Pretty much anything that isn't used on one job gets tossed and new stuff bought again for the next one.  Extra metal studs, bags of insulation (some not even opened yet), excess sheetrock, etc.  If it's left over it's tossed.  About 12 years ago or so I had a summer job with the company that was basically just to carry out the scrap to the dumpster.  On the larger jobs I could fill a huge industrial sized container in less than a week (this was mostly just carrying out the extra sheetrock pieces).


 I can see stuff thats not compact and easily transportable enough to bother with,but things like lead are just like throwing away cash. Its small,heavy and a scrap metal dealers pays by the pound. Its good that someone is going to put it to use,especially due to its toxicity. (Im fine with using toxic things where necessary,like for lead shielding or lead bullets,just not waste it requiring even more to be manufactured.)