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Offline JDNC

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Question about annealing jackets
« on: May 04, 2010, 12:14:15 AM »
Hello all,
This is my first post here as I've been reading for several days now.  Due to the lack of recent posts I thought I might ask a question.  I'm somewhat new to swaging.  I purchased a Walnut Hill press and some dies for pointing up some 45 cal jacketed bullets a few years back  but have never really got into it with both feet so to speak.  I've been handloading for 40 yrs or so and also cast.  I have always wanted to swage but just been to busy to get around to it.  I recently (back in Dec'09) ordered a 30 cal RBT die set with two 8S point-up dies and a LT die from RCE.  One point up for target and one for lead-tip with a larger ejection pin for the lead tips.  Richard has contacted me and advised my dies are about finished so I'm getting ready and have Sierra jackets and J4's on the way.  I might add Mr. Corbin is providing external punches for both jackets.

My question is..can I use these jackets as is or will I have to anneal them?  Is there any difference between flat base and RBT as to annealing?  I forgot to state the length of the jackets are 1.150" and 1.155" for the Sierra's. I'm hoping to swage bullets in the 170 -180 range and just guessing about length of the jackets to use.  The Sierra 168MK I use is 1.210" and I hope these jackets will be close.  What do you think?

JD

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Re: Question about annealing jackets
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2010, 04:33:59 AM »
Annealing isn't necessary or advisable in this case, for either FB or RBT bullets. Hopefully the CS internal punches you will be receiving are made to enter the jacket mouth as the weights you want will require that. As to whether the jackets are the 'right' length to make OT or LT 8S bullets grain 170-180 all I can say is: "probably". You'll have to try a few test bullets to find out. As a new swager, keep detailed notes on what you do as they'll come in very handy when ordering future jackets and punches. I've been swaging for over 12 years and find my preliminary calculations as to jacket length never are exact. I have to refer to my notes as to what I used and did before. One thing to remember is that a desired specific weight, say 180 grains, is not as important as a constant weight. If, during your bullet work-up using a specific brand and length of jacket, and a specific lot of lead alloy, your 'perfect looking' bullet is 178.5 grains, go with it. ( Remember, most of the 'pure' lead you get will be an alloy and each lot will have a different density. This will affect not only swaging pressure, but jacket length: not much, but just enough for one lot of bullets to be ever-so-slightly different from another).

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Re: Question about annealing jackets
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2010, 03:10:13 PM »
Talon, thanks for the input.  Yeah, I agree in reference to bullet weight. I don't really care what weight as long as it's in the range I mentioned and constant and accurate.  J4's in 30 cal are about 4+ weeks backordered but I have some Sierra's on the way.  I just made a wild guess on length based on the length of the 168MK's.  I feel that after pointing up, these jackets will be pushing the length of the MK except for the LT which will probably be longer and weigh more due to the lead tip.  How much is the question!  I'm looking everyday for the dies, can't wait.