Author Topic: harley to leave milwaukee? (Read 6254 times)

myronman3 · « **Reply #60 on:** May 24, 2010, 12:36:11 PM »

Quote from: Cheesehead on May 24, 2010, 03:08:05 AM

Polaris is non-union.......................

why that is impossible!!!! everyone knows the damn unions are entirely responsible for all this. a company would NEVER scapegoat a union. somehow there HAS to be a union involved....

Quote from: Buckskin on May 24, 2010, 11:28:41 AM

Actually Polaris is moving jobs out of Wisconsin to Minnesota and Iowa. And they are also building a factory in Mexico. That one you can place totally on Diamond Jim's combined reporting taxation. Just one of many to come. Hopefully most will be able to hold out until Scott Walker is elected as the new governor. He will repeal that tax asap and make Wisconsin business friendly again.

between slick jim and barryO, we are all getting taxed into oblivian. just wait until they start the VAT tax. you havent seen anything yet.

Dee · « **Reply #61 on:** May 24, 2010, 01:52:51 PM »

With, or with out, the VAT tax, you ain't seen nothin yet.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #62 on:** May 24, 2010, 10:57:53 PM »

Barry wants to give the unions a 165 billion dollar bailout for pension funds. Hmmmmmm? and he wants it before the november elections. Gotta love them in your face politics! All you Union lovers otta love 'at! Nobody wants to bailout my pension fund, it certainly could use some help

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A Democratic senator is introducing legislation for a bailout of troubled union pension funds. If passed, the bill could put another $165 billion in liabilities on the shoulders of American taxpayers.

The bill, which would put the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation behind struggling pensions
for union workers, is being introduced by Senator Bob Casey, (D-Pa.), who says it will save jobs and help people.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/2010/05/24/lawmaker-introduces-b-union-pension-bailout/

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #63 on:** May 25, 2010, 06:55:38 AM »

Now they are wanting to quadruple the gasoline tax. The first three months this year (first quarter), more money was paid for government pensions, social security, welfare, food stamps, government wages for government workers, than all of the private economy combined. It can't keep up. It will destroy our country and economy.

Kal52 · « **Reply #64 on:** May 25, 2010, 10:04:14 AM »

I think its kinda funny how some folks get so mad about how a company runs its operation, and how the evil executives make so much and run the companies into the ground etc etc.

The thing is, the company has to first...make a product people want and or need. then they have to be able to make a profit doing so while keeping it affordable to those that want or need it. pretty simple.

How the profits get divided is determined by that companies owner, or board of directors. They also determine how it should be run, and Ill bet that none, of them want the company to go under or be unprofitable, so they do what they can to make sure it is. If that means moving to a more profitable state, then thats what they do.

remember that as well as a big check, these folks also have stock options, and they want to keep it worth alot!

I suggest if its that big of an issue, and you feel that strongly about how HD is being run, go buy some stock, and go vote in the next shareholders meeting.

Now some of these same people, that complain about the evil employers whom are making huge wages, also pay union dues, and I dont really recall anybody complaining how much the union bosses make, or how much the union lobbyists make or spend taking politicians out to fancy dinners on their dime. Just the ceos, and their big fancy jets, expense accounts etc.

Someone mentioned earlier that a ceo didnt even have his license before he started there, well I wonder if the union boss has ever turned a wrench on a bike before? or woked the assembly line etc etc. How many have actually run a business, and how many do you think would be union shops?
The bottom line is money, If they can make moredoing it a different way, then thats what has to be done.

Just my 2 pennies

Dee · « **Reply #65 on:** May 25, 2010, 11:24:56 AM »

Quote from: Kal52 on May 25, 2010, 10:04:14 AM

I think its kinda funny how some folks get so mad about how a company runs its operation, and how the evil executives make so much and run the companies into the ground etc etc.

The thing is, the company has to first...make a product people want and or need. then they have to be able to make a profit doing so while keeping it affordable to those that want or need it. pretty simple.

How the profits get divided is determined by that companies owner, or board of directors. They also determine how it should be run, and Ill bet that none, of them want the company to go under or be unprofitable, so they do what they can to make sure it is. If that means moving to a more profitable state, then thats what they do.

remember that as well as a big check, these folks also have stock options, and they want to keep it worth alot!

I suggest if its that big of an issue, and you feel that strongly about how HD is being run, go buy some stock, and go vote in the next shareholders meeting.

Now some of these same people, that complain about the evil employers whom are making huge wages, also pay union dues, and I dont really recall anybody complaining how much the union bosses make, or how much the union lobbyists make or spend taking politicians out to fancy dinners on their dime. Just the ceos, and their big fancy jets, expense accounts etc.

Someone mentioned earlier that a ceo didnt even have his license before he started there, well I wonder if the union boss has ever turned a wrench on a bike before? or woked the assembly line etc etc. How many have actually run a business, and how many do you think would be union shops?
The bottom line is money, If they can make moredoing it a different way, then thats what has to be done.

Just my 2 pennies

Excellent post, and points.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #66 on:** May 25, 2010, 11:42:27 AM »

If Wisconsin is burdening Harley Davidson with taxes so high that they need to move to make a profit. How can you blame the managment of Harley Davidson for moving?
Would you all like BO to buy out HD stock like they did GM? Or how about the congress passes laws to keep private buisiness from moving there buisiness or yours anywhere you choose.

buck460XVR · « **Reply #67 on:** May 25, 2010, 02:01:35 PM »

Quote from: Buckskin on May 24, 2010, 11:28:41 AM

Hopefully most will be able to hold out until Scott Walker is elected as the new governor. He will repeal that tax asap and make Wisconsin business friendly again.

........and hopefully let us carry concealed.

Spanky · « **Reply #68 on:** May 25, 2010, 05:20:36 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on May 25, 2010, 11:42:27 AM

Would you all like BO to buy out HD stock like they did GM? Or how about the congress passes laws to keep private buisiness from moving there buisiness or yours anywhere you choose.

The government should start by passing laws to get the organized crime (labor unions) out of businesses. There is no need for labor unions in this country. It still makes me sick when I think about the UAW punks having their hand out as part of the GM bailout plan. Pathetic slobs who think they're entitled to something... get real.

Spanky

Buckskin · « **Reply #69 on:** May 26, 2010, 07:05:24 AM »

Quote from: buck460XVR on May 25, 2010, 02:01:35 PM

Quote from: Buckskin on May 24, 2010, 11:28:41 AM
Hopefully most will be able to hold out until Scott Walker is elected as the new governor. He will repeal that tax asap and make Wisconsin business friendly again.

........and hopefully let us carry concealed.

If Walker gets in I guarantee you that the Flatlander's will be the only ones who cannot have concealed carry!

KeepTryin · « **Reply #70 on:** August 04, 2010, 11:46:21 AM »

looks like this is back in the news:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100804/ap_on_bi_ge/us_harley_milwaukee_breakup

going to make a decision in two weeks it sounds like.

KT

myronman3 · « **Reply #71 on:** August 04, 2010, 12:48:53 PM »

you beat me to it by a few minutes! you just wait until they announce they will make them in mexico.

Spanky · « **Reply #72 on:** August 04, 2010, 05:02:40 PM »

I think it's great... I can't wait to see all those union punks get the carpet pulled out from under their asses.

Spanky

Doug B. · « **Reply #73 on:** August 04, 2010, 06:50:50 PM »

You know I got to thinking as I re-read my post on page one of this thread. I own a 1986 Honda 700 Magna. Now, don't get me wrong....I still firmly believe that Harley now makes one of the best bikes ever built. Key word...now. Answer this....How many 1986 Harleys do you still see on the road?

Maybe I'll hang on to my old Honda. Only has about 29,000 miles on it. It's paid for and owes me nothing!

newstart2k · « **Reply #74 on:** August 05, 2010, 03:26:14 AM »

MM3,

Try to keep us updated on this story as it progresses. Bump the post to the top occasionally.

Thanks

Buckskin · « **Reply #75 on:** August 05, 2010, 07:02:00 AM »

I suppose the union thinks they are making this up just like at Mercury and will vote down the companies offer. And then start crying when Harley packs it's bag's. While I would hate to see them leave, I can't blame them for wanting to break free of that entitled union mentality.

myronman3 · « **Reply #76 on:** August 05, 2010, 11:29:25 AM »

more from the peanut gallery....

it is obvious you misguided people have no idea what you are talking about.

Swampman · « **Reply #77 on:** August 05, 2010, 11:34:22 AM »

Quote from: Doug B. on August 04, 2010, 06:50:50 PM

How many 1986 Harleys do you still see on the road?

Nearly all of them. Folks will do anything to keep a Harley running.

Doug B. · « **Reply #78 on:** August 05, 2010, 01:50:53 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on August 05, 2010, 11:34:22 AM

Quote from: Doug B. on August 04, 2010, 06:50:50 PM
How many 1986 Harleys do you still see on the road?

Nearly all of them. Folks will do anything to keep a Harley running.

Exactly!

KeepTryin · « **Reply #79 on:** August 05, 2010, 05:02:05 PM »

Hey Doug B... you know why your '86 Magna is a 700 and not a 750, right?

KT

Doug B. · « **Reply #80 on:** August 05, 2010, 11:53:36 PM »

Quote from: KeepTryin on August 05, 2010, 05:02:05 PM

Hey Doug B... you know why your '86 Magna is a 700 and not a 750, right?

KT

Engine size limits vs. tariffs I believe.

KeepTryin · « **Reply #81 on:** August 06, 2010, 06:07:22 AM »

Yes, good old trade protectionism from an administration not known for it to say the least! An odd little bump in the road during the early stages of our nosedive into race-to-the-bottom globalism... as Dee mentioned, you haven't seen anything yet, even though we may not be talking about the same thing exactly.

KT

a lotta people don't remember that, had to ask!

Spanky · « **Reply #82 on:** August 06, 2010, 03:08:26 PM »

The Magna is a 700 because Harley cried to the gov't that the Jap bikes were killing their sales and they couldn't compete. The gov't slapped a high tariff on Jap bikes over 700cc's.

Spanky

Spanky · « **Reply #83 on:** August 06, 2010, 03:18:52 PM »

Quote from: myronman3 on August 05, 2010, 11:29:25 AM

more from the peanut gallery.... it is obvious you misguided people have no idea what you are talking about.
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Labor cost is the primary reason for companies pulling up stakes. funny how it's union labor huh?
I guess the corporate beancounters have no idea what they're talking about either.
The sooner labor unions are outlawed in this country the better off we'll be... until then we can keep losing jobs.
Face facts... union labor is crippling businesses.
Why the hell should Harley have to negotiate with the labor unions to schedule production... either they want to work to meet Harley's requirements or get the hell out and let someone else do the job.
businesses are sick of catering to the whineass unions and they're showing it by taking their business elsewhere.
That's the truth whether you like it or not.

Spanky

myronman3 · « **Reply #84 on:** August 06, 2010, 05:19:59 PM »

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Labor cost is the primary reason for companies pulling up stakes. funny how it's union labor huh?
.....That's the truth whether you like it or not. .....

people like you are EXACTLY what i am talking about... spouting off at the mouth with no idea of what the TRUTH is. polaris isnt a union shop, yet off your mouth goes running. you make me laugh. the nerve of some people, wanting a decent wage, health insurance, and job security. when you have ceo's and other exectives making millions upon millions a year, i dont want to hear about "the evil union". it is a red herring that they are putting out there for people who havent a clue.
most people havent a clue about how unions are run, how they work, what they offer, and what being a union member is like. instead, they suck up the propaganda put out there by the very people who are actually the real problem. and, with ignorance and jealousy, you sheep suck it up and ask for more.

Spanky · « **Reply #85 on:** August 07, 2010, 07:31:31 AM »

Like I said... the sooner the unions are outlawed the better off the country will be. Unions are leeches that suck the life out of a company plain and simple. I didn't say a thing about Polaris either... Harley is union and the sooner they get out from under it the better. You can spout your mouth off all you want... the truth is the truth.
As far as sheep... the only sheep around are the fools that buy into the union nonsense and defend it... I guess that means you.
It doesn't do any good to talk to guys like you because you already know it all... so go ahead and make your token smartass comeback... let's hear it.

Spanky

Cheesehead · « **Reply #86 on:** August 07, 2010, 08:05:23 AM »

How many times have I heard that, "lets make another law". And have government ban something else?

I would also like to here the reason behind the Polaris mess since it is nonunion. We need to blame someone, just cant blame the union here.

Cheese

Cheesehead · « **Reply #87 on:** August 07, 2010, 07:26:56 PM »

OK. Just for the fun of it, lets list the countries that have outlawed unions, past and present.

Cheese

Buckskin · « **Reply #88 on:** August 08, 2010, 06:18:58 AM »

Actually Polaris is moving jobs out of Wisconsin to Minnesota and Iowa. And they are also building a factory in Mexico. That one you can place totally on Diamond Jim's combined reporting taxation. Combined taxing means that if a company has a office or factory in another state all of the earnings from that office are taxed as if it was in Wisconsin. That is the reason Polaris moved from the State. Harley is having the same problem along with the union crap. The combined reporting cost harley either $15 or 25 million ( I can't remember) last year...

Just look to the other side of the pond and see what unions did to Michigan's big three. You can't dispute that mess. You can also look to Beloit for the same mess... All of the people that I know that are or were off of work are union labor although the non-union shops of the same trade have enough work to keep their employees on. Coincidence??? Yet most of them still support the union that cut off their balls, ignorance is bliss....

Spanky · « **Reply #89 on:** August 08, 2010, 10:34:33 AM »

Quote from: Buckskin on August 08, 2010, 06:18:58 AM

Actually Polaris is moving jobs out of Wisconsin to Minnesota and Iowa. And they are also building a factory in Mexico. That one you can place totally on Diamond Jim's combined reporting taxation. Combined taxing means that if a company has a office or factory in another state all of the earnings from that office are taxed as if it was in Wisconsin. That is the reason Polaris moved from the State. Harley is having the same problem along with the union crap. The combined reporting cost harley either $15 or 25 million ( I can't remember) last year...

Just look to the other side of the pond and see what unions did to Michigan's big three. You can't dispute that mess. You can also look to Beloit for the same mess... All of the people that I know that are or were off of work are union labor although the non-union shops of the same trade have enough work to keep their employees on. Coincidence??? Yet most of them still support the union that cut off their balls, ignorance is bliss....

Excellent post Buckskin.

Spanky